Intel Arc: 2 Month Performance Check-In
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Date: 2022-12-29
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John
This is putting Intel A770 at about the same point as the 6600 or 3060. Congrats to Intel for getting something out at the their top tier that's one step above AMD's and Nvidia's bottom rung of a generation of GPUs that's being replaced now.
I know there's a lot of people out there praying for their purchase to work some miracle, but the initial projections based on rumor was:
around a 3070
between a 3070 and 3080
closer to a 3080
about a 3070
between a 3060 and 3070
maybe closer to a 3060
launch results: around a 3060 at best and at worst terrible.
Waiting to see what AMD has done at the mid level for RDNA 3 since at the upper level their overall performance in work along with their encoders/decoders, gaming have all improved, but their weakest points in production and encoders have been greatly improved to where they beat Nvidia part of the time.
The 6600 has been around 220 for a good quality model and that's been what I've been building systems with because that's an excellent deal if you don't do different production, but why would you buy a 220 USD GPU to do that kind of work anyway? It's a gaming GPU.
But I really don't want Intel in this market because it will come at the expense of AMD, not Nvidia, and AMD is in a much better condition to start putting real pressure on Nvidia.
Where I want Intel to succeed more than anywhere else is their semi-conductor business and they need to beat TSMC to 2nm, and they SHOULD considering they get their hands of ASML's newer lithography equipment which allows getting to 2nm first. This is more important to the world of electronics because TSMC has been a greedy pig, just like Nvidia, or Intel when AMD had no pressure on them for CPUs. TSMC is part of the reason prices are going up, or in the case of AMD are making less profit than they SHOULD be making. AMD makes less profit than Intel or Nvidia. That's kind of why I root for them.
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This is putting Intel A770 at about the same point as the 6600 or 3060. Congrats to Intel for getting something out at the their top tier that's one step above AMD's and Nvidia's bottom rung of a generation of GPUs that's being replaced now.
I know there's a lot of people out there praying for their purchase to work some miracle, but the initial projections based on rumor was:
around a 3070
between a 3070 and 3080
closer to a 3080
about a 3070
between a 3060 and 3070
maybe closer to a 3060
launch results: around a 3060 at best and at worst terrible.
Waiting to see what AMD has done at the mid level for RDNA 3 since at the upper level their overall performance in work along with their encoders/decoders, gaming have all improved, but their weakest points in production and encoders have been greatly improved to where they beat Nvidia part of the time.
The 6600 has been around 220 for a good quality model and that's been what I've been building systems with because that's an excellent deal if you don't do different production, but why would you buy a 220 USD GPU to do that kind of work anyway? It's a gaming GPU.
But I really don't want Intel in this market because it will come at the expense of AMD, not Nvidia, and AMD is in a much better condition to start putting real pressure on Nvidia.
Where I want Intel to succeed more than anywhere else is their semi-conductor business and they need to beat TSMC to 2nm, and they SHOULD considering they get their hands of ASML's newer lithography equipment which allows getting to 2nm first. This is more important to the world of electronics because TSMC has been a greedy pig, just like Nvidia, or Intel when AMD had no pressure on them for CPUs. TSMC is part of the reason prices are going up, or in the case of AMD are making less profit than they SHOULD be making. AMD makes less profit than Intel or Nvidia. That's kind of why I root for them.
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Daniel
I've got the A770 for use with MSFS. I've found an interesting issue (and filed a bug report with Intel). I bought a desktop simulator package from RealSimGear that includes 4 small LCD screens used in their simulated instrument panels, and they use a pair of USB3->HDMI adapters using the Trigger6 chipset. The screens display the desktop fine and the moving cursor, but no Windows UI elements appear (drag a window or right click the mouse on one of the desktops, and you get the initial window or popup displaying, and then the screen just freezes). These adapters are bundled with the RSG equipment and are pre-wired into their panels, tested, and a known good part of the system.
You might say maybe its the drivers for these USB adapters... interestingly when I do an Intel Arc driver upgrade and my main Arc display goes blank for a bit, all 4 of these smaller screens suddenly start working and displaying Windows UI elements.... then when the Intel Arc comes back online, they stop working again.
I'm pretty sure the Intel Arc drivers are not playing nice with other graphics devices... I'm told these are the same as the J5 Create and StarTech adapters, it would be nice if someone else could validate this issue.
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I've got the A770 for use with MSFS. I've found an interesting issue (and filed a bug report with Intel). I bought a desktop simulator package from RealSimGear that includes 4 small LCD screens used in their simulated instrument panels, and they use a pair of USB3->HDMI adapters using the Trigger6 chipset. The screens display the desktop fine and the moving cursor, but no Windows UI elements appear (drag a window or right click the mouse on one of the desktops, and you get the initial window or popup displaying, and then the screen just freezes). These adapters are bundled with the RSG equipment and are pre-wired into their panels, tested, and a known good part of the system.
You might say maybe its the drivers for these USB adapters... interestingly when I do an Intel Arc driver upgrade and my main Arc display goes blank for a bit, all 4 of these smaller screens suddenly start working and displaying Windows UI elements.... then when the Intel Arc comes back online, they stop working again.
I'm pretty sure the Intel Arc drivers are not playing nice with other graphics devices... I'm told these are the same as the J5 Create and StarTech adapters, it would be nice if someone else could validate this issue.
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Valentin
This is the video that has to suffer with what I thought of but are we seeing a culture of good enough with recent releases of a lot of products don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with bugs on release wether it be software or hardware but in 2022 if we look at Nvidia, AMD and Intel a 90% baked product has been released with flaws ranging from an overlook of how users can and will break it to a basically defective product. Look at recent games coming out on life support and slowly getting better with updates, MW2 for example started off with terrible UI, buggy gameplay and ungodly crashing and as the months flew by still is that but slightly more stable (with game dev you can and will blame crunch culture but look at ubisoft pre-crunch 2010's they were releasing games with the added feature of being unplayable)
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This is the video that has to suffer with what I thought of but are we seeing a culture of good enough with recent releases of a lot of products don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with bugs on release wether it be software or hardware but in 2022 if we look at Nvidia, AMD and Intel a 90% baked product has been released with flaws ranging from an overlook of how users can and will break it to a basically defective product. Look at recent games coming out on life support and slowly getting better with updates, MW2 for example started off with terrible UI, buggy gameplay and ungodly crashing and as the months flew by still is that but slightly more stable (with game dev you can and will blame crunch culture but look at ubisoft pre-crunch 2010's they were releasing games with the added feature of being unplayable)
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Red
Maybe do one more benchmark set next month so we have a quarter's worth of data to see if there are any near-term improvement trends, then do 6, 9 & 12 month benchmarks. I get the feeling that people will look at the Arc A series cards once Intel start to clear them for the B series (probably after the 6-month mark I'd imagine), so the data will be useful for those looking for a bargain.
As for features, AC1 and other media encoding would be top of list for me. This card would be great once platforms like Twitch and YT support AC1 for streaming, so knowing how well it works with drivers that aren't the launch-day ones. Would be good to have a card I can recommend to peeps.
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Maybe do one more benchmark set next month so we have a quarter's worth of data to see if there are any near-term improvement trends, then do 6, 9 & 12 month benchmarks. I get the feeling that people will look at the Arc A series cards once Intel start to clear them for the B series (probably after the 6-month mark I'd imagine), so the data will be useful for those looking for a bargain.
As for features, AC1 and other media encoding would be top of list for me. This card would be great once platforms like Twitch and YT support AC1 for streaming, so knowing how well it works with drivers that aren't the launch-day ones. Would be good to have a card I can recommend to peeps.
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Mordacain
I had tons of the black screen issues and weird screen freezes (A770) that required reboots to clear on previous drivers. Those situations are mostly gone with the current driver but there are still some random glitches. One outstanding thing I've noticed is changes to graphics options not seeming to take effect. Noticed that both with MWII and Tiny Tina's Wonderlands. Performance has somewhat improved for me and I can play my older titles but the software is still lacking and it still doesn't seem stable enough for me to recommend the card to friends over the RX6650XT.
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I had tons of the black screen issues and weird screen freezes (A770) that required reboots to clear on previous drivers. Those situations are mostly gone with the current driver but there are still some random glitches. One outstanding thing I've noticed is changes to graphics options not seeming to take effect. Noticed that both with MWII and Tiny Tina's Wonderlands. Performance has somewhat improved for me and I can play my older titles but the software is still lacking and it still doesn't seem stable enough for me to recommend the card to friends over the RX6650XT.
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Jerry
Does this gpu handle indie games and lesser knowns ok? I keep seeing reviewers all talk about the same games so i have absolutely no idea if it'll play little indie games like mecha knights: nightmare or similar. I'm just curious how it will do with games that intel isn't specifically prioritizing due to popularity. I'm planning to buy it to support the competition but I mostly want to know it will play the games even if not as well as the competition.
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Does this gpu handle indie games and lesser knowns ok? I keep seeing reviewers all talk about the same games so i have absolutely no idea if it'll play little indie games like mecha knights: nightmare or similar. I'm just curious how it will do with games that intel isn't specifically prioritizing due to popularity. I'm planning to buy it to support the competition but I mostly want to know it will play the games even if not as well as the competition.
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deathVIAavatar
The lead on this project seemed absolutely genuine that there was much more performance that the cards could do, just that it needed to be refined in programming. If they keep up these performance gains, Battlemage should be in good hands for it's launch. That being said, these cards could truly end up being sleeper hits for the more budget conscious.
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The lead on this project seemed absolutely genuine that there was much more performance that the cards could do, just that it needed to be refined in programming. If they keep up these performance gains, Battlemage should be in good hands for it's launch. That being said, these cards could truly end up being sleeper hits for the more budget conscious.
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Ludak021
I was hoping to see if there is less stutter, artifact free and such, not these blend 1% low and avg fps, that tells us almost nothing. There were severe bugs when using ceratin features, was that fixed? Thanks to you, we don't know. Was stutter fixed in games that had it? We have no idea thanks to you, etc. You just wasted everyones time.
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I was hoping to see if there is less stutter, artifact free and such, not these blend 1% low and avg fps, that tells us almost nothing. There were severe bugs when using ceratin features, was that fixed? Thanks to you, we don't know. Was stutter fixed in games that had it? We have no idea thanks to you, etc. You just wasted everyones time.
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Edge
I'm not that much of a fan of intel (despite using their products) but I do hope they are successful in the budget to midrange GPU market. We always benefit from competition.
I'm really thinking of an upgrade soon... maybe Arc should be in my next setup... my only worry is if Intel will stick it out.
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I'm not that much of a fan of intel (despite using their products) but I do hope they are successful in the budget to midrange GPU market. We always benefit from competition.
I'm really thinking of an upgrade soon... maybe Arc should be in my next setup... my only worry is if Intel will stick it out.
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Quentin
I'm having fun with my A770. You should add 4k medium settings to your benchmarks, because that's what I used when benchmarking HZD and Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, getting about 60 fps on both. But I mainly play the original Far Cry, fully cranked at 4k, on my A770 because it won't run on my RTX 4090 box
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I'm having fun with my A770. You should add 4k medium settings to your benchmarks, because that's what I used when benchmarking HZD and Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, getting about 60 fps on both. But I mainly play the original Far Cry, fully cranked at 4k, on my A770 because it won't run on my RTX 4090 box
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Victor
I will like a video I which talk about intel one api vs Nvidia Cuda. Which apps support the new graphics card. Also a comparison between RTX 3050 and Radeon 6600, just to see if this new numbers help to buy Intel GPU.
I want to Intel strong on everything.
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I will like a video I which talk about intel one api vs Nvidia Cuda. Which apps support the new graphics card. Also a comparison between RTX 3050 and Radeon 6600, just to see if this new numbers help to buy Intel GPU.
I want to Intel strong on everything.
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boe
I honestly hope the Arc2 happens. Sure the Arc isn't great but we definitely need competition for AMD and nVidia. Hopefully in quantity at a sub 1000 price that truly competes with the 4090 in RTX and everything else.
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I honestly hope the Arc2 happens. Sure the Arc isn't great but we definitely need competition for AMD and nVidia. Hopefully in quantity at a sub 1000 price that truly competes with the 4090 in RTX and everything else.
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pr0jectSkyneT
How is Linux driver support? I'm thinking of getting either an A380 or A310 for my server (Proxmox, TrueNAS, VMs, Plex, Docker, etc.). Would like to know it's AV1 encode/decode performance as well.
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How is Linux driver support? I'm thinking of getting either an A380 or A310 for my server (Proxmox, TrueNAS, VMs, Plex, Docker, etc.). Would like to know it's AV1 encode/decode performance as well.
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