Ryzen 7 3750X: 9900KS killer? Wait for Ampere? Best controller for PC? Q&A - The Full Nerd ep. 111
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Date: 2022-03-15
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Nocturnal101
Honestly with the 3750X and 9900KS - -Law of Conservation- you can't make something out of nothing and honestly I seriously doubt AMD would disrupt their product stack so it will probably be between the 3700X and 3800X. also their is a Siberian Unicorn in this reality, I mean its more like a harsh winter rhino but whatever, and very comparable to this, you label it and people automatically think 1 thing and have an expectation, when in reality it may come close but not be exactly the thing you wanted it to be.
AMD might blow everyone's mind by dropping a 3750x, and 3850X that is just a new version of the already released models like a new hardware revision of the released models, rather than just rebranding under the same label they made a slight alteration with significant gain. it may be more money until the 3700x supply dries up, then it will get a price drop.
Depends on what you are buying and what you already have, If you have a 1080TI there is zero reason not to wait, we can realistically debate back and forth about buy it when you need it, or maximizing and capitalizing on a new series with better performance jumps and understanding, Honestly AMD did the whole we are jumping on 7nm first which honestly the 5700 to me isn't that great and it isn't even competitive as NVidia with a larger node process is pretty much still there where it needs to be.
-Rumor- is NVidia is using 7nm Samsung UVL, at least for some SKUs and if that is true then yes with NVidia's already better arch, gauge the performance jump for Vega and consider that the worst case scenario, it will be a jump in performance I would predict about 30-40% as AMD experienced about 20-25%across the board, UVL is the hard part to gauge, because in reality all it means is there will be less defective dies per wafer and the wafer will yield a lot more cherry picked perfect dies, in theory this means 1 of 2 things, 1- either prices can drop as manufacturing costs plummet due to hardly any waste. 2- because the dies are significantly better quality across the wafer they can push the baseline frequencies up a lot higher and can expect better boost frequencies leading to massive performance gains while still asking higher pricing.
Steam controllers have a huge learning curve but when you get used to it, it ends up being amazing especially for fighters that have a lot directional input because its a flat pad it ends up so easy and the moves tend to just glide rather than having the analogue be a degree off from being correct.
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Honestly with the 3750X and 9900KS - -Law of Conservation- you can't make something out of nothing and honestly I seriously doubt AMD would disrupt their product stack so it will probably be between the 3700X and 3800X. also their is a Siberian Unicorn in this reality, I mean its more like a harsh winter rhino but whatever, and very comparable to this, you label it and people automatically think 1 thing and have an expectation, when in reality it may come close but not be exactly the thing you wanted it to be.
AMD might blow everyone's mind by dropping a 3750x, and 3850X that is just a new version of the already released models like a new hardware revision of the released models, rather than just rebranding under the same label they made a slight alteration with significant gain. it may be more money until the 3700x supply dries up, then it will get a price drop.
Depends on what you are buying and what you already have, If you have a 1080TI there is zero reason not to wait, we can realistically debate back and forth about buy it when you need it, or maximizing and capitalizing on a new series with better performance jumps and understanding, Honestly AMD did the whole we are jumping on 7nm first which honestly the 5700 to me isn't that great and it isn't even competitive as NVidia with a larger node process is pretty much still there where it needs to be.
-Rumor- is NVidia is using 7nm Samsung UVL, at least for some SKUs and if that is true then yes with NVidia's already better arch, gauge the performance jump for Vega and consider that the worst case scenario, it will be a jump in performance I would predict about 30-40% as AMD experienced about 20-25%across the board, UVL is the hard part to gauge, because in reality all it means is there will be less defective dies per wafer and the wafer will yield a lot more cherry picked perfect dies, in theory this means 1 of 2 things, 1- either prices can drop as manufacturing costs plummet due to hardly any waste. 2- because the dies are significantly better quality across the wafer they can push the baseline frequencies up a lot higher and can expect better boost frequencies leading to massive performance gains while still asking higher pricing.
Steam controllers have a huge learning curve but when you get used to it, it ends up being amazing especially for fighters that have a lot directional input because its a flat pad it ends up so easy and the moves tend to just glide rather than having the analogue be a degree off from being correct.
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Overseers
About the guy with the gsync monitor and GTX 970 who wants to upgrade, the cards he should upgrade to ranked from best to worst:
Best choice: Used GTX 1080 Ti (2080 non super like performance, 11GB frame buffer which is a big plus over the 2080s and 2070s, goes for only $500 used)
2nd best choice: RTX 2070 super (2080 non super like performance, only $500 brand new)
3rd bad choice: RTX 2080 super (big price increase and not that much faster than 2070 super and no vram increase over the 2070s)
4th worst choice: RTX 2080 Ti: (Very expensive, ampere is not THAT far away, owner will no doubt experience buyers remorse because he will have had the -best card- for less than 1 year) No one making a massive upgrade after an extreme length of time should upgrade to a product more than 1 year old. If you have the budget to get the best wait until the next best thing and buy it on day 1.
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About the guy with the gsync monitor and GTX 970 who wants to upgrade, the cards he should upgrade to ranked from best to worst:
Best choice: Used GTX 1080 Ti (2080 non super like performance, 11GB frame buffer which is a big plus over the 2080s and 2070s, goes for only $500 used)
2nd best choice: RTX 2070 super (2080 non super like performance, only $500 brand new)
3rd bad choice: RTX 2080 super (big price increase and not that much faster than 2070 super and no vram increase over the 2070s)
4th worst choice: RTX 2080 Ti: (Very expensive, ampere is not THAT far away, owner will no doubt experience buyers remorse because he will have had the -best card- for less than 1 year) No one making a massive upgrade after an extreme length of time should upgrade to a product more than 1 year old. If you have the budget to get the best wait until the next best thing and buy it on day 1.
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Raphael
I9 9900k vs ryzen 9 3900x is already about 5-8% less performance for the ryzen how they can sell 3750x as the killer of the remake i9 9900ks? No sense at all because if that is right the ryzen 7 3750x beat the ryzen 9 3900x. No logic. The only reason doing that can be to have something better than the i9 9900ks and increase the price of the coming ryzen 9 3950x as -the best cpu in the market- of like the -killer of intel 9th and 10th gen-. AMD want to increase the market in 2020? Intel decreases prices and AMD increases. Well. I think that might be possible in 2020 if we look at intel i9 9980xe it's 2k$ if the ryzen 9 3950x beat the i9 9980xe the 3950x will be like an extreme edition and also cost much more than the 3900x, something between 700$-2k$. I'm curious to see what they want to do about their products in the future.
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I9 9900k vs ryzen 9 3900x is already about 5-8% less performance for the ryzen how they can sell 3750x as the killer of the remake i9 9900ks? No sense at all because if that is right the ryzen 7 3750x beat the ryzen 9 3900x. No logic. The only reason doing that can be to have something better than the i9 9900ks and increase the price of the coming ryzen 9 3950x as -the best cpu in the market- of like the -killer of intel 9th and 10th gen-. AMD want to increase the market in 2020? Intel decreases prices and AMD increases. Well. I think that might be possible in 2020 if we look at intel i9 9980xe it's 2k$ if the ryzen 9 3950x beat the i9 9980xe the 3950x will be like an extreme edition and also cost much more than the 3900x, something between 700$-2k$. I'm curious to see what they want to do about their products in the future.
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Callum
Regarding the whole Threadripper socket change, I get it for some people that invest very heavily in a motherboard, that there'd be some good value in upgrading just the CPU. However, in my experience with mid-market CPUs and motherboards, I've found selling both the old CPU and motherboard together and purchasing a new CPU and motherboard to be the most cost effective/efficient and practical most of the time anyway. I'd much rather progression of features, capability, and performance each generation where it makes sense than too much focus on past socket compatibility.
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Regarding the whole Threadripper socket change, I get it for some people that invest very heavily in a motherboard, that there'd be some good value in upgrading just the CPU. However, in my experience with mid-market CPUs and motherboards, I've found selling both the old CPU and motherboard together and purchasing a new CPU and motherboard to be the most cost effective/efficient and practical most of the time anyway. I'd much rather progression of features, capability, and performance each generation where it makes sense than too much focus on past socket compatibility.
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Kevin
I'll be upgrading soon after certain parts are actually available to buy, but currently I run a 6700hq and a 1070 maxq and I can still play current AAA titles on high settings (not very high) on a 1080P monitor and still hover right around 60 fps. So, personally I'll be getting a 3900x with a 2080 Super and have it last me just fine for another 5 odd years. Why pay -$1200 for a 2080Ti when I can get both a 3900x and 2080 Super for $1400. I don't really see the 2080Ti outlasting the 2080 Super to the point that it's worth the price of a 3900x.
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I'll be upgrading soon after certain parts are actually available to buy, but currently I run a 6700hq and a 1070 maxq and I can still play current AAA titles on high settings (not very high) on a 1080P monitor and still hover right around 60 fps. So, personally I'll be getting a 3900x with a 2080 Super and have it last me just fine for another 5 odd years. Why pay -$1200 for a 2080Ti when I can get both a 3900x and 2080 Super for $1400. I don't really see the 2080Ti outlasting the 2080 Super to the point that it's worth the price of a 3900x.
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Robert
So I have a 2080ti, and even I think you shouldn-t buy one at this point unless you-re running like a 280x or 760. (I got mine earlier in its lifecycle) If you haven-t actually used your new monitor at those refresh rates I would for sure wait. But if you have then I would at most get the 2080 Super. Maybe get a 2070 Super and get a 3080 down the line if the jump in performance makes it viable.
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So I have a 2080ti, and even I think you shouldn-t buy one at this point unless you-re running like a 280x or 760. (I got mine earlier in its lifecycle) If you haven-t actually used your new monitor at those refresh rates I would for sure wait. But if you have then I would at most get the 2080 Super. Maybe get a 2070 Super and get a 3080 down the line if the jump in performance makes it viable.
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Game
I think Nvidia will release their cards in response to what AMD does. They released RTX because AMD had nothing going. It was the right time so they can get devs on board and users to help tweak drivers. Money isn't the only motivator. Nvidia probably already has plenty of prototypes on the table to play with just waiting for 7nm and AMD.
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I think Nvidia will release their cards in response to what AMD does. They released RTX because AMD had nothing going. It was the right time so they can get devs on board and users to help tweak drivers. Money isn't the only motivator. Nvidia probably already has plenty of prototypes on the table to play with just waiting for 7nm and AMD.
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Game
RTX2080TI was 30-40% faster than 1080ti at release. I'm playing Wolfenstein Youngblood at 4k at 120+fps. So drivers have aged well for the card. Well worth the money. Killed all previous Titans. How is that not good? Just saying. Ampere will be something I'll definitely look at. And buy if it is much better than Turing.
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RTX2080TI was 30-40% faster than 1080ti at release. I'm playing Wolfenstein Youngblood at 4k at 120+fps. So drivers have aged well for the card. Well worth the money. Killed all previous Titans. How is that not good? Just saying. Ampere will be something I'll definitely look at. And buy if it is much better than Turing.
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Mark
Was it a 'G-sync' monitor or a 'G-sync compatible' monitor (AKA Freesync? If it was a 'compatible' monitor it goes to show what a master stroke it was from Nvidia stealing Freesync from AMD, in that people will just say, well you might as well buy Nvidia hardware now because of your investment in your monitor.
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Was it a 'G-sync' monitor or a 'G-sync compatible' monitor (AKA Freesync? If it was a 'compatible' monitor it goes to show what a master stroke it was from Nvidia stealing Freesync from AMD, in that people will just say, well you might as well buy Nvidia hardware now because of your investment in your monitor.
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Digital
What is the best controller for PC? For FPS, mouse and keyboard, for sims it depends on what you're simulating, anything from a stick, HOTAS, dual 3 axis stick for 6 degrees of freedom, maybe a wheel for a racing game, foot controllers when appropriate. Hand controllers suck.
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What is the best controller for PC? For FPS, mouse and keyboard, for sims it depends on what you're simulating, anything from a stick, HOTAS, dual 3 axis stick for 6 degrees of freedom, maybe a wheel for a racing game, foot controllers when appropriate. Hand controllers suck.
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