Intel vs AMD: Strengths & Weaknesses Of Each Platform
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Date: 2022-12-27
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Thaddeus
Two weeks ago bought r9 7950x for 560eur + asrock b650e pg riptide wifi for 250eur and crucial 2x16gb 4800mhz cl40 ram kit for 115eur, because couldnt find any info how ram speed effects gaming performance, found only german review who mentioned that it doesnt matter and i couldn't find reason to pay more than 3x for 6000mhz ram kit for no gain, only gain is on AIDA64, i just tuned crucial kit to 5200MHZ CL34 It handled it at same 1.1v. Main problem i ran into is that asrock board either you use cheap or expensive motherboard when you turn on xmp or expo boottimes is extremely slow, if i use default its like 5s, if i use xmp or tune it myself its like 30s+, from reddit post its known issue and yet agesa update which came week ago didnt help. My 7950x can do negative offset of -30 on all cores, tested blender, cinebench torcher test for hour and played warzone 2 using my RTX 3080 for 12h straight, no crash. Ran into issue day one because my old assassin III didnt had correct mount, they can send it but i need to wait month to arrive it, used backup deepcool beta 200 st cheap 10eur am3 cooler and i only lost 10% in sintetics, in gaming performance was the same compared to AG620 BK ARGB i bought couple days later with proper mount, KEEP IN MIND on ZEN 4 backplate doesnt come off like on previous zen cpus, if you have older cooler with own backplate it wont fit, you need to take out whole bracket which holds cpu itself. SO AM4/AM5 has a catch.
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Two weeks ago bought r9 7950x for 560eur + asrock b650e pg riptide wifi for 250eur and crucial 2x16gb 4800mhz cl40 ram kit for 115eur, because couldnt find any info how ram speed effects gaming performance, found only german review who mentioned that it doesnt matter and i couldn't find reason to pay more than 3x for 6000mhz ram kit for no gain, only gain is on AIDA64, i just tuned crucial kit to 5200MHZ CL34 It handled it at same 1.1v. Main problem i ran into is that asrock board either you use cheap or expensive motherboard when you turn on xmp or expo boottimes is extremely slow, if i use default its like 5s, if i use xmp or tune it myself its like 30s+, from reddit post its known issue and yet agesa update which came week ago didnt help. My 7950x can do negative offset of -30 on all cores, tested blender, cinebench torcher test for hour and played warzone 2 using my RTX 3080 for 12h straight, no crash. Ran into issue day one because my old assassin III didnt had correct mount, they can send it but i need to wait month to arrive it, used backup deepcool beta 200 st cheap 10eur am3 cooler and i only lost 10% in sintetics, in gaming performance was the same compared to AG620 BK ARGB i bought couple days later with proper mount, KEEP IN MIND on ZEN 4 backplate doesnt come off like on previous zen cpus, if you have older cooler with own backplate it wont fit, you need to take out whole bracket which holds cpu itself. SO AM4/AM5 has a catch.
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Rick
I've had 5 amd computers... 4.AM4 and 1 AM5. I've enjoyed being able to easily upgrade all of them... 1 x370, 1 x470, 1 x570 1 B550 and 1 x670e. It allows me to easily pass on my old stuff to family. My daughter has two 12 core systems. She does 3d animation. My wife has an 8 core. I have the 7950x which with the right tuning it's memory is at 59 ns latency and 93 mb/sec at 6400mhz. It boosts to 5800 mhz and consumes 200 watts max. I bought it for 635 euros (including the 19% tax). I paid that for the 5900x in 2020. I live in Europe and electricity is expensive. It's just nice to know that I can drop a new or used 5th gen into the AM4 systems when ever I need to. I may even go to the 3d cache version of the 7950x if the price is right. If I was looking for a mid-range processor I'd probably look at Intel, but at the high end the 13th generation does not interest me or even the low end. You can find a relatively cheap AM5 board now. You can can find cheaper ddr5 6000 memory. I found a x670e motherboard, 32 gigs of 6000mhz ddr5 and a 7950x for 1100 euros. I could have knocked of an extra 100 if I'd gone for a b650 motherboard.
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I've had 5 amd computers... 4.AM4 and 1 AM5. I've enjoyed being able to easily upgrade all of them... 1 x370, 1 x470, 1 x570 1 B550 and 1 x670e. It allows me to easily pass on my old stuff to family. My daughter has two 12 core systems. She does 3d animation. My wife has an 8 core. I have the 7950x which with the right tuning it's memory is at 59 ns latency and 93 mb/sec at 6400mhz. It boosts to 5800 mhz and consumes 200 watts max. I bought it for 635 euros (including the 19% tax). I paid that for the 5900x in 2020. I live in Europe and electricity is expensive. It's just nice to know that I can drop a new or used 5th gen into the AM4 systems when ever I need to. I may even go to the 3d cache version of the 7950x if the price is right. If I was looking for a mid-range processor I'd probably look at Intel, but at the high end the 13th generation does not interest me or even the low end. You can find a relatively cheap AM5 board now. You can can find cheaper ddr5 6000 memory. I found a x670e motherboard, 32 gigs of 6000mhz ddr5 and a 7950x for 1100 euros. I could have knocked of an extra 100 if I'd gone for a b650 motherboard.
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tsmspace
well, I bought a b660 and a 12400 not terribly long ago, thinking I might buy a 13600k when they came out, which I then did do just recently. I did notice an impact while recording my video game on OBS, where with the 12400 I would experience some frame drops, but with the 13600k they are much more rare, instead of frequent it is once ever in a session. (low resolution, definitely not a graphics card issue). However, that is the only time I've so far noticed any difference, and were I not trying to record my videogame, it would have been a total waste, as otherwise things like chrome, any games I play, etc. already reached 88mph at maximum survive-able g's on the 12400. As a home-pc user, I think you can't possibly go wrong with either selection.
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well, I bought a b660 and a 12400 not terribly long ago, thinking I might buy a 13600k when they came out, which I then did do just recently. I did notice an impact while recording my video game on OBS, where with the 12400 I would experience some frame drops, but with the 13600k they are much more rare, instead of frequent it is once ever in a session. (low resolution, definitely not a graphics card issue). However, that is the only time I've so far noticed any difference, and were I not trying to record my videogame, it would have been a total waste, as otherwise things like chrome, any games I play, etc. already reached 88mph at maximum survive-able g's on the 12400. As a home-pc user, I think you can't possibly go wrong with either selection.
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5600x/5600 is the one and only cpu that has made sense to buy new for gaming (for 90-95% of people) almost all the time since they got price cut to 200 (and now they are 150).
ddr5 is barely faster than ddr4, not worth. 5800x3d is overpriced, not worth. 7600x still, with mobo and ram considerably more expensive than 5600 even after price cut.
Especially if you already have ddr4 ram. Even more so if have am4 mobo. If you want everything new from store, have nothing and dont wanna buy used, then possibly you can consider getting 7600x instead and ddr5, now as ddr4 has gotten a bit more expensive and ddr5 cheaper in stores, alternatively 13600k as while it is 100 more, a motherboard is also almost 100 less.
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5600x/5600 is the one and only cpu that has made sense to buy new for gaming (for 90-95% of people) almost all the time since they got price cut to 200 (and now they are 150).
ddr5 is barely faster than ddr4, not worth. 5800x3d is overpriced, not worth. 7600x still, with mobo and ram considerably more expensive than 5600 even after price cut.
Especially if you already have ddr4 ram. Even more so if have am4 mobo. If you want everything new from store, have nothing and dont wanna buy used, then possibly you can consider getting 7600x instead and ddr5, now as ddr4 has gotten a bit more expensive and ddr5 cheaper in stores, alternatively 13600k as while it is 100 more, a motherboard is also almost 100 less.
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Canadian
I upgraded to Intel's Alder Lake i7 12700 (non K) from i5 6600K after owning the latter for 5-6 years.
I have made a spreadsheet with 6 possible upgrade paths, including Intel's Raptor Lake and AMD Zen 4.
With the current expensive prices for the new platforms, I decided to go with Alder Lake 12700 which will enable me to reuse my 4 DDR4 RAM modules of 32 GB total, this approach saved me at least 1000 USD until AM5 motherboard and DDR5 prices come down to a reassonable level.
I can now spend the extra money on an Nvidia 4080 and a big 4K display and be happy for the next 2 years...
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I upgraded to Intel's Alder Lake i7 12700 (non K) from i5 6600K after owning the latter for 5-6 years.
I have made a spreadsheet with 6 possible upgrade paths, including Intel's Raptor Lake and AMD Zen 4.
With the current expensive prices for the new platforms, I decided to go with Alder Lake 12700 which will enable me to reuse my 4 DDR4 RAM modules of 32 GB total, this approach saved me at least 1000 USD until AM5 motherboard and DDR5 prices come down to a reassonable level.
I can now spend the extra money on an Nvidia 4080 and a big 4K display and be happy for the next 2 years...
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Jieren
Actually one thing that is understated is hardware bugs on AMD platforms. They work for 95-99% of the time. Some stuff like the ASUS Essence STX II will cause boot loops on my AMD system but works perfectly fine with Intel systems. I experience some weird behaviors with certain USB devices and cables that works perfectly fine on Intel systems too. Because of things like this, I hope to switch to an Intel system if the AMD system breaks compatibility with my exising hardware :(
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Actually one thing that is understated is hardware bugs on AMD platforms. They work for 95-99% of the time. Some stuff like the ASUS Essence STX II will cause boot loops on my AMD system but works perfectly fine with Intel systems. I experience some weird behaviors with certain USB devices and cables that works perfectly fine on Intel systems too. Because of things like this, I hope to switch to an Intel system if the AMD system breaks compatibility with my exising hardware :(
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DRUAC
Just finished my 13th gen i9 initial setup and burn-in on the test bench and getting it ready to put in my Lian-Li desk later today now that I have it emptied of my old 6th gen/1080 system. My old 6th gen i7 system is going on the test bench (Open WorkBench V2) in the man-cave once I have the new beast up and running in the desk. Moved from a TUF Z170 Sabertooth with i7 and a 1080 to a Maximus Z790 Hero with i9 and an Asus Strix 3080ti....loving the upgrade.
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Just finished my 13th gen i9 initial setup and burn-in on the test bench and getting it ready to put in my Lian-Li desk later today now that I have it emptied of my old 6th gen/1080 system. My old 6th gen i7 system is going on the test bench (Open WorkBench V2) in the man-cave once I have the new beast up and running in the desk. Moved from a TUF Z170 Sabertooth with i7 and a 1080 to a Maximus Z790 Hero with i9 and an Asus Strix 3080ti....loving the upgrade.
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Superior
I ended up getting the Core i5 13600K for 300 and overclocked each core by at least 300 MHz, paired it with a 150 Z690 motherboard, re-used my old RAM and overclocked it to DDR4 4000 with tightened timings to make up for some of the DDR5 performance difference. Overall this might be one of my best upgrades in terms of cost and the performance uplift vs. my previous machine.
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I ended up getting the Core i5 13600K for 300 and overclocked each core by at least 300 MHz, paired it with a 150 Z690 motherboard, re-used my old RAM and overclocked it to DDR4 4000 with tightened timings to make up for some of the DDR5 performance difference. Overall this might be one of my best upgrades in terms of cost and the performance uplift vs. my previous machine.
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Enoch
I think AVX512 is a huge extension and costs a lot of transistors and die area. Since it is not viable to include it in the efficiency cores maybe they sacrifice more silicon hardware for thread director to manage AVX512 multithreaded tasks on the performance cores only.
Still a shame AMD got AVX512 support when Intel is dropping it on consumer.
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I think AVX512 is a huge extension and costs a lot of transistors and die area. Since it is not viable to include it in the efficiency cores maybe they sacrifice more silicon hardware for thread director to manage AVX512 multithreaded tasks on the performance cores only.
Still a shame AMD got AVX512 support when Intel is dropping it on consumer.
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Fred
I agree with Gordon (Usually do) that you should get the chip with graphics especially for trouble shooting. It is extremely useful to be able to plug a monitor into the mb with no graphics card, which lets you know whether you have a mb issue or gpu issue, it's so convenient, for very little cost. Of course the quicksync is valuable too.
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I agree with Gordon (Usually do) that you should get the chip with graphics especially for trouble shooting. It is extremely useful to be able to plug a monitor into the mb with no graphics card, which lets you know whether you have a mb issue or gpu issue, it's so convenient, for very little cost. Of course the quicksync is valuable too.
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Eric
Gordon, those Z790 Motherboards, beyond the intro level boards can get very pricey at the mid--range on up motherboards. I agree though the AMD Motherboards started out way to expensive, it makes considering shifting to AM5 more difficult, when so many AM4 motherboards offer great choices with excellent CPU options at cheaper prices.
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Gordon, those Z790 Motherboards, beyond the intro level boards can get very pricey at the mid--range on up motherboards. I agree though the AMD Motherboards started out way to expensive, it makes considering shifting to AM5 more difficult, when so many AM4 motherboards offer great choices with excellent CPU options at cheaper prices.
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Blue
i really want to build a new pc in spring, my current was built in 2018 and with this machine i learned about intel changing chip sets every two years. i really want a new pc but i be locked with a 13th gen intel again if i do a new machine in spring. i really don't want to wait to the end of 2023 for intel 14th gen new chip set.
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i really want to build a new pc in spring, my current was built in 2018 and with this machine i learned about intel changing chip sets every two years. i really want a new pc but i be locked with a 13th gen intel again if i do a new machine in spring. i really don't want to wait to the end of 2023 for intel 14th gen new chip set.
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Jadhal
Why intel choose
P core E core platform
And E core has 1 thread
Ryzen choose only performance core
My Q is
All ryzen core has same overcloking frequency ?
Or single core has overcloking ability .
Turbo frequency of all core is same but overclocking of single core can cross turbo freqncy.
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Why intel choose
P core E core platform
And E core has 1 thread
Ryzen choose only performance core
My Q is
All ryzen core has same overcloking frequency ?
Or single core has overcloking ability .
Turbo frequency of all core is same but overclocking of single core can cross turbo freqncy.
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