Leaving my Off Grid Log Cabin for North Carolina
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Date: 2025-12-12
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kerim. peardon5551
You were in my neck of the woods. I live in SE TN, near the GA and NC borders. I was born and raised in the TN Valley and Cumberland Plateau, spent 8 years in exile in Middle TN, before coming back to the mountains.
I would definitely say you have a lot more wild, undeveloped area where you're at, compared to here. But you can keep winter crops in the ground here, even without a greenhouse. Kale, for instance, will last the winter in the garden. Right now, I have lots of green patches around my yard that are chickweed, with patches of vigorous dock as well, so if you were really hard-up, you can forage in your yard year-round for greens, nuts, edible roots, etc. --not to mention birds, squirrels, rabbits, and deer. (I came up my driveway the other night and there was a deer standing there, right beside the house) So snow is not an impediment to trapping and hunting. With some low tunnels or an actual greenhouse, you can grow actual vegetables.
Snow, at least here in the valleys, tends to come when it's around 33F and melts as soon as it stops snowing. Snow rarely lays on the ground more than 24 hours, and it's infrequent that it's more than 2 deep. We get a dusting to 2 two or three times per winter, most winters. But, you will have to learn to adapt to winter driving conditions, which is to say: stay home until it melts. We don't have snow tires here, we don't have a lot of road-clearing equipment (and since we often have rain before the snow, salting the roads in advance doesn't work very often, and I found out talking from someone from Ohio, our roads are not humped. Apparently up north, they slope the sides of the roads, so melted snow runs off. Here, our roads are flat, so when the snow melts, then refreezes at night, it makes black ice. The Ohioan said he was humbled when he came down here and found out he couldn't drive any better in bad weather than the natives, because we don't have the equipment for it. So just make yourself a milk sandwich and give it about 12 hours, then it will be melted and you can go back out.
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You were in my neck of the woods. I live in SE TN, near the GA and NC borders. I was born and raised in the TN Valley and Cumberland Plateau, spent 8 years in exile in Middle TN, before coming back to the mountains.
I would definitely say you have a lot more wild, undeveloped area where you're at, compared to here. But you can keep winter crops in the ground here, even without a greenhouse. Kale, for instance, will last the winter in the garden. Right now, I have lots of green patches around my yard that are chickweed, with patches of vigorous dock as well, so if you were really hard-up, you can forage in your yard year-round for greens, nuts, edible roots, etc. --not to mention birds, squirrels, rabbits, and deer. (I came up my driveway the other night and there was a deer standing there, right beside the house) So snow is not an impediment to trapping and hunting. With some low tunnels or an actual greenhouse, you can grow actual vegetables.
Snow, at least here in the valleys, tends to come when it's around 33F and melts as soon as it stops snowing. Snow rarely lays on the ground more than 24 hours, and it's infrequent that it's more than 2 deep. We get a dusting to 2 two or three times per winter, most winters. But, you will have to learn to adapt to winter driving conditions, which is to say: stay home until it melts. We don't have snow tires here, we don't have a lot of road-clearing equipment (and since we often have rain before the snow, salting the roads in advance doesn't work very often, and I found out talking from someone from Ohio, our roads are not humped. Apparently up north, they slope the sides of the roads, so melted snow runs off. Here, our roads are flat, so when the snow melts, then refreezes at night, it makes black ice. The Ohioan said he was humbled when he came down here and found out he couldn't drive any better in bad weather than the natives, because we don't have the equipment for it. So just make yourself a milk sandwich and give it about 12 hours, then it will be melted and you can go back out.
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tangoindiamike9189
Shawn, don't give up on eastern Tennessee. Besides having plenty of remote mountain forest, Tennessee is far more tax friendly than North Carolina. For instance, North Carolina charges property taxes on just about everything but your underwear. They tax your vehicles, boats, trailers, lawn mowers, etc, EVERY year! Tennessee has NONE of that nonsense. You don't even need a tag on your trailer or camper, as long as it's in Tennessee. You could live just over the border from North carolina and have access to both states without all the expenses of North Carolina. Even if a property costs you a little more in Tennessee, it would cost you more in North Carolina in the long run.
Tennessee sales tax is a little higher than in North Carolina, but Tennessee generally has fewer building permit requirements, fewer restrictions, etc.
We have a golden retriever that loves to watch Cali! We just say, there's Cali, and his head whips toward the TV. He runs to the TV, gets excited and wants to play with her. Then he barks at us, like 'do something. I want her. '
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Shawn, don't give up on eastern Tennessee. Besides having plenty of remote mountain forest, Tennessee is far more tax friendly than North Carolina. For instance, North Carolina charges property taxes on just about everything but your underwear. They tax your vehicles, boats, trailers, lawn mowers, etc, EVERY year! Tennessee has NONE of that nonsense. You don't even need a tag on your trailer or camper, as long as it's in Tennessee. You could live just over the border from North carolina and have access to both states without all the expenses of North Carolina. Even if a property costs you a little more in Tennessee, it would cost you more in North Carolina in the long run.
Tennessee sales tax is a little higher than in North Carolina, but Tennessee generally has fewer building permit requirements, fewer restrictions, etc.
We have a golden retriever that loves to watch Cali! We just say, there's Cali, and his head whips toward the TV. He runs to the TV, gets excited and wants to play with her. Then he barks at us, like 'do something. I want her. '
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kenlodge3399
Well I gotta tell ya, I think you're out of your mind wanting to leave what you've got and where you're at. But based on what I know and seen, moving to a warmer climate, especially at your age, is the most natural thing to want to do. Now see here, I've been anchored to Michigan for most of my life, but having relocated to the western states twice, I at least know where God lives when it comes to building a life in the back country. I'm saying that knowing that absolutely everyone I've known and met whoever relocated from Michigan over the past forty plus years, all moved to North Carolina. Everybody! It used to be I inspired people to move out west, and they all loved it enough to stay. But since the eighties, all have ventured - for whatever reason - to solely North Carolina. Now if you like isolation, four seasons, fast rivers, with plenty of wildlife, and endless beautiful scenery, I'd go to the Wyoming/Utah/Idaho area. Yet if you're from the land of the Great Lakes, then North Carolina's the place you ought to go!
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Well I gotta tell ya, I think you're out of your mind wanting to leave what you've got and where you're at. But based on what I know and seen, moving to a warmer climate, especially at your age, is the most natural thing to want to do. Now see here, I've been anchored to Michigan for most of my life, but having relocated to the western states twice, I at least know where God lives when it comes to building a life in the back country. I'm saying that knowing that absolutely everyone I've known and met whoever relocated from Michigan over the past forty plus years, all moved to North Carolina. Everybody! It used to be I inspired people to move out west, and they all loved it enough to stay. But since the eighties, all have ventured - for whatever reason - to solely North Carolina. Now if you like isolation, four seasons, fast rivers, with plenty of wildlife, and endless beautiful scenery, I'd go to the Wyoming/Utah/Idaho area. Yet if you're from the land of the Great Lakes, then North Carolina's the place you ought to go!
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Rags2Itches
Here in Oklahoma we have tinier deer. On the way to a group camp out in one mid October, I counted 100 deer at dusk just on my passenger side of the truck in three hours. I'd never seen anything like that before or since. My husband works north of Tulsa, His work sits on 30 acres and they have a kilometer walking trail for the employees to enjoy. There are deer out there that come and go. In two years of walking that trail each work week he has gotten to recognize many of the does. He always greets them with: Hi Ladies. So they know his voice. A couple of the does just stand and let him pass with out bolting now although their new fawns run for cover. Recently one doe and her yearling fawn stated following him about 15 feet behind him. If he stops walking she has come within 10 feet of him before stopping, He is delighted by this. Two of the company's outside maintanence crew saw this happen one day. They jokingly call him the deer whisperer.
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Here in Oklahoma we have tinier deer. On the way to a group camp out in one mid October, I counted 100 deer at dusk just on my passenger side of the truck in three hours. I'd never seen anything like that before or since. My husband works north of Tulsa, His work sits on 30 acres and they have a kilometer walking trail for the employees to enjoy. There are deer out there that come and go. In two years of walking that trail each work week he has gotten to recognize many of the does. He always greets them with: Hi Ladies. So they know his voice. A couple of the does just stand and let him pass with out bolting now although their new fawns run for cover. Recently one doe and her yearling fawn stated following him about 15 feet behind him. If he stops walking she has come within 10 feet of him before stopping, He is delighted by this. Two of the company's outside maintanence crew saw this happen one day. They jokingly call him the deer whisperer.
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shawn_james
Shawn you need to take a page out of the pioneers who built cabins in Michigan! Thermal Mass is what you need in the cabin! Build stone around stove. Divert the heat loss from the stove into a system that captures that loss up the stove pipe through a system of ducts surrounded by the stonework. You can achieve a system where you can start a fire in the stove at 6pm and burn it through 9pm. Then go to bed and get up and the Cabin is still in the 55 to 65 degrees range due to the thermal Mass radiance! Bury an air pipe that is below the frost line and draw the air for the stove through it! Allow the natural thermal insulation value of the ground to maintain a constant air temperature to feed the stove with! These are my suggestions for you to solve the heating problem of the cabin. Then when you have those 38 below days, the air being fed into the stove will be a lot warmer than the outside air due to the ground insulation property.
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Shawn you need to take a page out of the pioneers who built cabins in Michigan! Thermal Mass is what you need in the cabin! Build stone around stove. Divert the heat loss from the stove into a system that captures that loss up the stove pipe through a system of ducts surrounded by the stonework. You can achieve a system where you can start a fire in the stove at 6pm and burn it through 9pm. Then go to bed and get up and the Cabin is still in the 55 to 65 degrees range due to the thermal Mass radiance! Bury an air pipe that is below the frost line and draw the air for the stove through it! Allow the natural thermal insulation value of the ground to maintain a constant air temperature to feed the stove with! These are my suggestions for you to solve the heating problem of the cabin. Then when you have those 38 below days, the air being fed into the stove will be a lot warmer than the outside air due to the ground insulation property.
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levisweet979
I was arrested in Canada, I was trying to escape some people who torture me to this very day, Id accidentaly crossed the border, three mounties drew down on me with assault rifles, I was so fed up with what was bieng done to me in my own country, I said. ck you, shoot me! I meant every word of it at the time. I ran into the mountains, there was a manhunt before I turned myself in. I was filing for asylum due to persecution of religious beliefs, the LORD commanded me back to the states. no charges were filed, I was commanded not to attempt to enter Canada for a year. After hearing what you said about your fish bieng wild, makes me want to move there. Im absolutely disgusted with how our government has handled the fish, rivers and game. theres a special place in hell for the decision makers that have robbed us of natural spawns in our rivers.
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I was arrested in Canada, I was trying to escape some people who torture me to this very day, Id accidentaly crossed the border, three mounties drew down on me with assault rifles, I was so fed up with what was bieng done to me in my own country, I said. ck you, shoot me! I meant every word of it at the time. I ran into the mountains, there was a manhunt before I turned myself in. I was filing for asylum due to persecution of religious beliefs, the LORD commanded me back to the states. no charges were filed, I was commanded not to attempt to enter Canada for a year. After hearing what you said about your fish bieng wild, makes me want to move there. Im absolutely disgusted with how our government has handled the fish, rivers and game. theres a special place in hell for the decision makers that have robbed us of natural spawns in our rivers.
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joannewolfe5688
If you're looking for a get-away, try SW Virginia mountains instead -- you should avoid the hillsides and mountain valleys in NC and TN that flooded so badly recently, and also the areas you were scouting cost much more to homestead than SW VA along the WV border. Also, the area I am talking about has MUCH cooler and less humid summers than NC and TN. I have great soil where I am (NW of Blacksburg near the WV border, surrounded by national forest. Lots of hunting and fishing here around the New River. I have deer on my property constantly and we have lots of black bear, hawks, lots of songbirds from the big Appalachian flyway, fishers, bobcats, etc. I have lived and gardened all across the US (8 states) and Nova Scotia, and SW VA is the best of the best for homesteading.
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If you're looking for a get-away, try SW Virginia mountains instead -- you should avoid the hillsides and mountain valleys in NC and TN that flooded so badly recently, and also the areas you were scouting cost much more to homestead than SW VA along the WV border. Also, the area I am talking about has MUCH cooler and less humid summers than NC and TN. I have great soil where I am (NW of Blacksburg near the WV border, surrounded by national forest. Lots of hunting and fishing here around the New River. I have deer on my property constantly and we have lots of black bear, hawks, lots of songbirds from the big Appalachian flyway, fishers, bobcats, etc. I have lived and gardened all across the US (8 states) and Nova Scotia, and SW VA is the best of the best for homesteading.
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GreatDataVideos
We are in the very SW corner of NC in the mountains. Glad that you were in our area! It's very beautiful here. Asheville area is way overpopulated and overpriced, but our area is still reasonable in both categories. Valley land has very rich soil and is great for farming (the local farm grows corn for a nearby chicken farm and it always comes in #1 in the state for the yield per acre. Winters are normally mild and when you get cold spells, you will normally get temperatures back in the low 50's within a short while. Higher elevations get a lot more snow than elsewhere. In the summer, it can get into the low 90's some days, but always cools by evening. People are friendly, even to those like me with a Yankee accent. We've been here around 20 years and love it!
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We are in the very SW corner of NC in the mountains. Glad that you were in our area! It's very beautiful here. Asheville area is way overpopulated and overpriced, but our area is still reasonable in both categories. Valley land has very rich soil and is great for farming (the local farm grows corn for a nearby chicken farm and it always comes in #1 in the state for the yield per acre. Winters are normally mild and when you get cold spells, you will normally get temperatures back in the low 50's within a short while. Higher elevations get a lot more snow than elsewhere. In the summer, it can get into the low 90's some days, but always cools by evening. People are friendly, even to those like me with a Yankee accent. We've been here around 20 years and love it!
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BNM0826
Another great one and I must say, not surprised when I saw the title. The main reason is cause as we get old, if you're bones don't keep up with the temp, it can become uncomfortable. I figure with your appreciation and love for the outdoors and off the grid mentality, it makes sense to seek warmer climates that provide great outdoors, fishing, land to thrive in, and even mountains. I've vacationed in NC multiple times and enjoyed the outdoors and fishing. But I was impressed with the overall outdoor life in GA (not sure if that's in our scope. I do remember it still gets cold in those states. I'm sure wherever you end up, your OTG skills will help you find your comfort zone and positive outlook will keep you and family happy. All the best brother!
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Another great one and I must say, not surprised when I saw the title. The main reason is cause as we get old, if you're bones don't keep up with the temp, it can become uncomfortable. I figure with your appreciation and love for the outdoors and off the grid mentality, it makes sense to seek warmer climates that provide great outdoors, fishing, land to thrive in, and even mountains. I've vacationed in NC multiple times and enjoyed the outdoors and fishing. But I was impressed with the overall outdoor life in GA (not sure if that's in our scope. I do remember it still gets cold in those states. I'm sure wherever you end up, your OTG skills will help you find your comfort zone and positive outlook will keep you and family happy. All the best brother!
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HotrodRon75
Cali is stealing the show. well you talk about NC but i still love West Virginia. not as warm. though. i love BlueStone in the lower part, and Hico, its 50 miles to Charleston. and very high, near the new river Bridge, then you got the east near Dolly sods, and Pikes Peek, one year we went on vac to all the lakes in Wv. what a Week. and yes i fished some for big Musky, the real big trout over in the east near Smoke Hole, in the creeks you have to throw back, but there fun to catch. i used deff collored Marshmallows, very small, and very light line, it works. an old timer told me to do this over 50 years ago. he said the lighter the line is the best. and he cought Rainbows all the time. Stay Warm this Winter Shawn. a lot of snow coming i hear.
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Cali is stealing the show. well you talk about NC but i still love West Virginia. not as warm. though. i love BlueStone in the lower part, and Hico, its 50 miles to Charleston. and very high, near the new river Bridge, then you got the east near Dolly sods, and Pikes Peek, one year we went on vac to all the lakes in Wv. what a Week. and yes i fished some for big Musky, the real big trout over in the east near Smoke Hole, in the creeks you have to throw back, but there fun to catch. i used deff collored Marshmallows, very small, and very light line, it works. an old timer told me to do this over 50 years ago. he said the lighter the line is the best. and he cought Rainbows all the time. Stay Warm this Winter Shawn. a lot of snow coming i hear.
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JustMe-gs9xi
All that Work and you'd MOVE, mr. reliance, ur not a young rooster now. Stay and find a better deer hunting area close by Don't they live lower than your altitude The Fishing looks good, The wood 'seems' plentiful // It is your call. For me at 66, i would not want to rebuild another cabin! SO you'd have to sell this and Buy a cabin I did see you had to buy and bring alot! of meat when you go up there, I'd consider scouting out another deer hunting spot. Things are changing and if there were plentiful the past 10 yrs. They have to be around somewhere, But a lower altitude, I live in NH, animals are changing patterns and areas i think everywhere, I'd stay since this looks healing, healthy and time to rest and settle.
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All that Work and you'd MOVE, mr. reliance, ur not a young rooster now. Stay and find a better deer hunting area close by Don't they live lower than your altitude The Fishing looks good, The wood 'seems' plentiful // It is your call. For me at 66, i would not want to rebuild another cabin! SO you'd have to sell this and Buy a cabin I did see you had to buy and bring alot! of meat when you go up there, I'd consider scouting out another deer hunting spot. Things are changing and if there were plentiful the past 10 yrs. They have to be around somewhere, But a lower altitude, I live in NH, animals are changing patterns and areas i think everywhere, I'd stay since this looks healing, healthy and time to rest and settle.
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youtubedigest6098
I’m a hillbilly who relocated from southeastern Kentucky to Florida over 30 years ago but I long to retire toTennessee in the future. I love and miss the beautiful mountains and the seasons, especially fall. However, I would never think of moving back there without first renting a place for an extended period of time. I’ve changed, and I don’t know how I would fit in with the culture anymore. I guess what I’m trying to say is stay in an area for some period of time before you commit to get the feel of the area and the people and see if it is a good fit for you and your family. It is beautiful country. God’s country, as I like to say. Good luck to you.
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I’m a hillbilly who relocated from southeastern Kentucky to Florida over 30 years ago but I long to retire toTennessee in the future. I love and miss the beautiful mountains and the seasons, especially fall. However, I would never think of moving back there without first renting a place for an extended period of time. I’ve changed, and I don’t know how I would fit in with the culture anymore. I guess what I’m trying to say is stay in an area for some period of time before you commit to get the feel of the area and the people and see if it is a good fit for you and your family. It is beautiful country. God’s country, as I like to say. Good luck to you.
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brianmeiwes989
Your place in Canada has so many huge advantages but the unproductive soil is definitely a killer if you’re determined to grow your own food mostly independent of the system. It’s going to be very difficult to replace the quiet you have up there and the abundance of un pressured wildlife resources anywhere there’s productive soil I suspect. I can’t imagine the culture shock of moving from your quiet, private spot up there to anywhere in the US where you can find productive land. The competition for hunting and fishing spots is going to be a huge difference anywhere here in the States. It’s amazing what you’ve built in such a short time!
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Your place in Canada has so many huge advantages but the unproductive soil is definitely a killer if you’re determined to grow your own food mostly independent of the system. It’s going to be very difficult to replace the quiet you have up there and the abundance of un pressured wildlife resources anywhere there’s productive soil I suspect. I can’t imagine the culture shock of moving from your quiet, private spot up there to anywhere in the US where you can find productive land. The competition for hunting and fishing spots is going to be a huge difference anywhere here in the States. It’s amazing what you’ve built in such a short time!
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patternseer777
NC Realtor here. Been here 20 years. Spent 4 yrs in TN also. NC was the top state for relocators in 2024, property taxes just keep going up. The price of raw land is ridiculous. Good luck finding 20 acres. If you have half a million or more you can get a good chunk of land. lol Same in TN. Now people are realizing SW Virginia - but still, land is expensive. People are not happy with the politics of VA right now with a democrat stronghold just winning. Who knows what will happen now. The mountains aren't as tall as western NC and TN, but it's a lot quieter than the overloading of relocators in NC and TN.
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NC Realtor here. Been here 20 years. Spent 4 yrs in TN also. NC was the top state for relocators in 2024, property taxes just keep going up. The price of raw land is ridiculous. Good luck finding 20 acres. If you have half a million or more you can get a good chunk of land. lol Same in TN. Now people are realizing SW Virginia - but still, land is expensive. People are not happy with the politics of VA right now with a democrat stronghold just winning. Who knows what will happen now. The mountains aren't as tall as western NC and TN, but it's a lot quieter than the overloading of relocators in NC and TN.
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DontBeeLion
As a California Sierra foothill (gold country homesteader who came to western NC 15 years ago (and survived Helene last year, our family has seen a large downhill spiral in eastern TN and western NC in quality of life, hunting and fishing outcomes etc. we have been looking into moving to West Virginia or (western ) Virginia for affordability of living in general and a more options for off grid life. To each their own and after years of research and watching things change here, more power to those who choose to make a change wherever they deem it best for their situation and family.
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As a California Sierra foothill (gold country homesteader who came to western NC 15 years ago (and survived Helene last year, our family has seen a large downhill spiral in eastern TN and western NC in quality of life, hunting and fishing outcomes etc. we have been looking into moving to West Virginia or (western ) Virginia for affordability of living in general and a more options for off grid life. To each their own and after years of research and watching things change here, more power to those who choose to make a change wherever they deem it best for their situation and family.
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JoyceB-qv9xq
What beautiful scenery you've captured. I particularly enjoyed seeing the twists and turns of the Parkway. Looks like Cali loves the area, it's so good to see she's still so playful and full of energy. All the best to you and yours, Shawn in the search for a winter home here in the States. We wholeheartedly welcome you. I adore my Canadian snowbird friends. Have a wonderful Christmas, and, hopefully, a warmer winter right here with us! EDIT: is my P. S. - don't stray too far east in NC, you'll encounter too many of us former New Yorkers LOL!
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What beautiful scenery you've captured. I particularly enjoyed seeing the twists and turns of the Parkway. Looks like Cali loves the area, it's so good to see she's still so playful and full of energy. All the best to you and yours, Shawn in the search for a winter home here in the States. We wholeheartedly welcome you. I adore my Canadian snowbird friends. Have a wonderful Christmas, and, hopefully, a warmer winter right here with us! EDIT: is my P. S. - don't stray too far east in NC, you'll encounter too many of us former New Yorkers LOL!
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christianniem844
Nice to see you enjoying the states. Next time on your way south may I suggest you stop and check out the Allegheny National Forest in Pa. I know you must driving close by. I would love for you to see the Kinzua river near Westline Pa. its where I come from and learned to be an outdoors man it is heaven on earth to me. Its worth a look very secluded small town off the beaten path of maybe 100 souls. Bring your fly rod its catch and release only in some parts with barbless hooks.
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Nice to see you enjoying the states. Next time on your way south may I suggest you stop and check out the Allegheny National Forest in Pa. I know you must driving close by. I would love for you to see the Kinzua river near Westline Pa. its where I come from and learned to be an outdoors man it is heaven on earth to me. Its worth a look very secluded small town off the beaten path of maybe 100 souls. Bring your fly rod its catch and release only in some parts with barbless hooks.
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oncebefore3671
Letting you know, North Carolina is not just a bit warmer; it can be sweltering with the humidity. The humidity begins to roll in from mid May and tapers off mid September to the first of October. The humidity is thick and heavy; much like wearing a wet wool blanket in the heat of the day. When you rent another cabin, it would be optimal to make sure the cabin has A/C. It offers some of the best topography, along with Virginia
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Letting you know, North Carolina is not just a bit warmer; it can be sweltering with the humidity. The humidity begins to roll in from mid May and tapers off mid September to the first of October. The humidity is thick and heavy; much like wearing a wet wool blanket in the heat of the day. When you rent another cabin, it would be optimal to make sure the cabin has A/C. It offers some of the best topography, along with Virginia
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CanadianBeacon
Why choose to spend your money in a country that has embraced authoritarian politics and abandoned basic democratic norms Why help subsidize that decline by boosting its economy with tourism dollars If you’re comfortable with those values, that’s your call. Just understand the risk. This is a place where being on the wrong side of the system can land you in an ICE detention facility without much explanation.
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Why choose to spend your money in a country that has embraced authoritarian politics and abandoned basic democratic norms Why help subsidize that decline by boosting its economy with tourism dollars If you’re comfortable with those values, that’s your call. Just understand the risk. This is a place where being on the wrong side of the system can land you in an ICE detention facility without much explanation.
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Topojijo14
I live in Nashville but spent a great amount of time in the areas where you were. The temperature variation is significant. Gorgeous land there. It would be quite a change especially with access large population centers which has upsides but definitely downsides. East Tennessee with its tax structure is more ideal than NC. Tennessee leans much more conservative than North Carolina, for information sake.
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I live in Nashville but spent a great amount of time in the areas where you were. The temperature variation is significant. Gorgeous land there. It would be quite a change especially with access large population centers which has upsides but definitely downsides. East Tennessee with its tax structure is more ideal than NC. Tennessee leans much more conservative than North Carolina, for information sake.
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