Science Lifters Are Under Attack
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Date: 2024-12-23
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TheCloudCreation
I've always viewed the slow negatives narrative as a similar training technique that you do as a ski instructor with a new skier. If you have ever had ski lesson, or are a ski instructor yourself, you know all about pushing your knees over your toes or lean your head past your skis. You don't actually want to put the majority of your body weight over the front of the ski (you want as close to 50/50 weight distribution as possible) but so many new skiers lean way too far back (way too many people just drop the weight on the negative) that you have to tell them an extreme corrective technique. In both scenarios, it's obviously not great to have a ridiculously long negative or leaning your head over the front of your skis, but telling people to do those things queues their brain into controlling the negative or not leaning backwards ( which are both natural human instincts.
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I've always viewed the slow negatives narrative as a similar training technique that you do as a ski instructor with a new skier. If you have ever had ski lesson, or are a ski instructor yourself, you know all about pushing your knees over your toes or lean your head past your skis. You don't actually want to put the majority of your body weight over the front of the ski (you want as close to 50/50 weight distribution as possible) but so many new skiers lean way too far back (way too many people just drop the weight on the negative) that you have to tell them an extreme corrective technique. In both scenarios, it's obviously not great to have a ridiculously long negative or leaning your head over the front of your skis, but telling people to do those things queues their brain into controlling the negative or not leaning backwards ( which are both natural human instincts.
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MKECBS1
This is the best, clear explanation on these topics in a long time. I often get carried away with how to 'optimise' my workouts, exercise selection, order, timings in week, volume, frequency. It becomes a headache. This video clears up a lot of the 'fog of exercise war' as I like to call it, so I can focus on the basics: Get in the gym, get a good stimulus where you want it, leave and relax.
Thanks Jeff for your years of dedication to bringing free fitness advice to us. I know this is your business now, but I've never felt you let money come before your morals in all the ten years I've followed you. Keep up the good fight! Regards from the UK.
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This is the best, clear explanation on these topics in a long time. I often get carried away with how to 'optimise' my workouts, exercise selection, order, timings in week, volume, frequency. It becomes a headache. This video clears up a lot of the 'fog of exercise war' as I like to call it, so I can focus on the basics: Get in the gym, get a good stimulus where you want it, leave and relax.
Thanks Jeff for your years of dedication to bringing free fitness advice to us. I know this is your business now, but I've never felt you let money come before your morals in all the ten years I've followed you. Keep up the good fight! Regards from the UK.
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Zharath
When I think about science based lifting I only think about the very basics that I learned from your Fundamentals series that I binged when I started lifting 5 years ago.
- Safety first, the fastest way to loose gains is getting injured so you cant lift
- 10 - 20 sets / week per muscle group
- progressive overload
- 2 times a week beats 1 time a week.
- 1 - 2g of protein per kg of bodyweight, go high just to be sure
- Train close to failure
- Prioritize compound lifts
- Rest 3 min for heavy lifts, 1-2 min for isolation work
I never bother with things like controlling negatives, lenghtened partials or 'tips & tweaks'
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When I think about science based lifting I only think about the very basics that I learned from your Fundamentals series that I binged when I started lifting 5 years ago.
- Safety first, the fastest way to loose gains is getting injured so you cant lift
- 10 - 20 sets / week per muscle group
- progressive overload
- 2 times a week beats 1 time a week.
- 1 - 2g of protein per kg of bodyweight, go high just to be sure
- Train close to failure
- Prioritize compound lifts
- Rest 3 min for heavy lifts, 1-2 min for isolation work
I never bother with things like controlling negatives, lenghtened partials or 'tips & tweaks'
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dinosoup
I see science based lifting as how can I make the most gains possible with the least amount of effort and risk of injury. Critics of science based lifting seem to misunderstand the fundamental concept of science, the things we are doing have been empirically tested and proven to work. I think being in tune with your body is a good thing in the gym but if it isn't backed by evidence, I'm not going to waste my time. Gym bros don't seem to get this and think that means we know everything but obviously we don't, we just know what DOES work well. Its cool that you addressed these folks but its going to fall on deaf ears.
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I see science based lifting as how can I make the most gains possible with the least amount of effort and risk of injury. Critics of science based lifting seem to misunderstand the fundamental concept of science, the things we are doing have been empirically tested and proven to work. I think being in tune with your body is a good thing in the gym but if it isn't backed by evidence, I'm not going to waste my time. Gym bros don't seem to get this and think that means we know everything but obviously we don't, we just know what DOES work well. Its cool that you addressed these folks but its going to fall on deaf ears.
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jeffnippard
LMAO all these below average iq cave man lifters hating on the people with actual brains and brawn is hilarious, but expected, as humanity develops some will do their best to keep it stuck on the old ways, the reason they started this hate now even though science lifters like Jeff been around for a while is because of the increase in popularity of this trend, new generation started to move towards the safe and intellectual route of lifting, instead of shooting up roids and destroying their livers, shout out to Jeff and all that train the way he does, and all those aspire to do the same. Cheers o/
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LMAO all these below average iq cave man lifters hating on the people with actual brains and brawn is hilarious, but expected, as humanity develops some will do their best to keep it stuck on the old ways, the reason they started this hate now even though science lifters like Jeff been around for a while is because of the increase in popularity of this trend, new generation started to move towards the safe and intellectual route of lifting, instead of shooting up roids and destroying their livers, shout out to Jeff and all that train the way he does, and all those aspire to do the same. Cheers o/
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pseudonym1042
I am a natural guy who has no aim of doing the competition stuff insta stuff etc i emphasized the word natural cause science based lifting gets thrown out when u on gear when u are on gear gains are always not proportional with technique , the gear enhances the gains as it's accelerates the gwoth factors and recovery. But as a natural I will always prefer science based stuff cause it gives me the greatest bang for bucks without putting me in jeopardy and I wish to do it forever or atleast as long as I go. Don't worry as many as there are haters there are many who agree with you.
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I am a natural guy who has no aim of doing the competition stuff insta stuff etc i emphasized the word natural cause science based lifting gets thrown out when u on gear when u are on gear gains are always not proportional with technique , the gear enhances the gains as it's accelerates the gwoth factors and recovery. But as a natural I will always prefer science based stuff cause it gives me the greatest bang for bucks without putting me in jeopardy and I wish to do it forever or atleast as long as I go. Don't worry as many as there are haters there are many who agree with you.
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fernandoz2023
3: 47, Interesting. I've been practicing Mike's slow negatives for 2 to 3 months now, and I've seen good results. But Mike himself seems to say, in this video, that his slow negatives only take 2 seconds, which is so much shorter than how he actually trained other people in his videos.
And some of those people that he trained were IFBB pros. If there is no direct link between his quasi super slow negatives and hypertrophy, why did he yell at those IFBB pros to do it so religiously Safety and mind muscle connection are not very convincing reasons.
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3: 47, Interesting. I've been practicing Mike's slow negatives for 2 to 3 months now, and I've seen good results. But Mike himself seems to say, in this video, that his slow negatives only take 2 seconds, which is so much shorter than how he actually trained other people in his videos.
And some of those people that he trained were IFBB pros. If there is no direct link between his quasi super slow negatives and hypertrophy, why did he yell at those IFBB pros to do it so religiously Safety and mind muscle connection are not very convincing reasons.
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mattb9664
I'd say I about 75% science based lifting with clean form - without occupying all sorts of equipment and floor space - then usually resort to Sam Sulak type lifting out towards the end along with taking a tiny bit of weight off. Over the course of the past year I've gone from a pudgy 200# --- to an athletic lean 200#, where I'm outgrowing a lot of my L sized hoodies and I'm back into 34 waist size with just stomach muscles protruding instead of fat hanging off the belt line. I'm 44 and it feels like I've hit another growth spurt.
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I'd say I about 75% science based lifting with clean form - without occupying all sorts of equipment and floor space - then usually resort to Sam Sulak type lifting out towards the end along with taking a tiny bit of weight off. Over the course of the past year I've gone from a pudgy 200# --- to an athletic lean 200#, where I'm outgrowing a lot of my L sized hoodies and I'm back into 34 waist size with just stomach muscles protruding instead of fat hanging off the belt line. I'm 44 and it feels like I've hit another growth spurt.
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Quansu_Classic
I am not good at english
Hope everyone understands
I really think jeff nippart is a good person
I mean, why everyone hate jeff when he just try to
make quality video help some people like me don't have good genetics ( skinny ) with science
Jeff gives me a broader and more diverse angles perspective that helps me become better and better at training
He really help me understand more about
Gym at a newbie
Anyway, i from Viet Nam and his video help me learning English right now: )
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I am not good at english
Hope everyone understands
I really think jeff nippart is a good person
I mean, why everyone hate jeff when he just try to
make quality video help some people like me don't have good genetics ( skinny ) with science
Jeff gives me a broader and more diverse angles perspective that helps me become better and better at training
He really help me understand more about
Gym at a newbie
Anyway, i from Viet Nam and his video help me learning English right now: )
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ollyspalding
I just want to learn workout cues and effective practices from people that are highly committed to what they do, whether it is labelled science or just good reasoning and solid knowledge of body dynamics. The rest is the usual inflammatory selective outrage BS that generates engagement in this hideous circular attention economy. Meaningless distraction. I don't think normal people care as much about this as content creators do, because you all have a vested interest in your business.
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I just want to learn workout cues and effective practices from people that are highly committed to what they do, whether it is labelled science or just good reasoning and solid knowledge of body dynamics. The rest is the usual inflammatory selective outrage BS that generates engagement in this hideous circular attention economy. Meaningless distraction. I don't think normal people care as much about this as content creators do, because you all have a vested interest in your business.
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Tom83727
Do any one know when training for endurance should i go full faiulure or not For example for pushups first i start set with weighted bag as soon as im done i start to do without weight and again as soon as im done i start knee pushups
Then i go back to normal pushups and i am trying to do it with explosiveness but of course cant and even some times i continue with resistsnce bands punchs. And i even sometimes do it 3 set. I dont know is it worth that soreness. Any idea
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Do any one know when training for endurance should i go full faiulure or not For example for pushups first i start set with weighted bag as soon as im done i start to do without weight and again as soon as im done i start knee pushups
Then i go back to normal pushups and i am trying to do it with explosiveness but of course cant and even some times i continue with resistsnce bands punchs. And i even sometimes do it 3 set. I dont know is it worth that soreness. Any idea
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GibranCamus-kr2dc
Science-based lifting isn't new tbf. Lifting is inherently science-based insofar as it is a process of observation, experimentation, and refinement. What's under attack is the false dichotomy of bro science and literature-restricted training. Treating things in that binary is just dogmaticthey go hand-in-hand in the lifelong pursuit of tinkering with training to meet one's evolving needs.
idk that's how i been thinkin' bout it all these years
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Science-based lifting isn't new tbf. Lifting is inherently science-based insofar as it is a process of observation, experimentation, and refinement. What's under attack is the false dichotomy of bro science and literature-restricted training. Treating things in that binary is just dogmaticthey go hand-in-hand in the lifelong pursuit of tinkering with training to meet one's evolving needs.
idk that's how i been thinkin' bout it all these years
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thetim6764
Muscles don't grow because of cool vibes. If something has been scientifically proven to work, then that's the reality. I don't get the problem.
I just couldn't make bug gains on my chest. Then Jeff pointed to studies that show that a lot of growth happens in the stretch position and showed us how to use that in exercises. I followed the advice and started to make gains again. Imo using science also means that you don't waste your time with bs.
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Muscles don't grow because of cool vibes. If something has been scientifically proven to work, then that's the reality. I don't get the problem.
I just couldn't make bug gains on my chest. Then Jeff pointed to studies that show that a lot of growth happens in the stretch position and showed us how to use that in exercises. I followed the advice and started to make gains again. Imo using science also means that you don't waste your time with bs.
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sport
I am scientist (biologist, PhD) and, although I advocate for more science in our life, one has to be careful when they read a scientific paper. Those are not the truth, but some information for the scientific community and not for the public. An information start to fall under the truth when it is confirmed, at multiple occasions, by independent teams.
Thebrisk is, therefore, to extract one information from one paper and present it as the way to do
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I am scientist (biologist, PhD) and, although I advocate for more science in our life, one has to be careful when they read a scientific paper. Those are not the truth, but some information for the scientific community and not for the public. An information start to fall under the truth when it is confirmed, at multiple occasions, by independent teams.
Thebrisk is, therefore, to extract one information from one paper and present it as the way to do
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Sumppa
people are crazy. I don't care about science in lifting. You leave way too much gains out of the table doing everything in certain positions and sacrificing heavy weight over clean reps. Like look at Jeff, he stopped doing those insane rack pulls and deadlifts or going to failure in full range of motions that put your body over crazy tension thousands of times a year and he became a pencil neck. But i don't go around slapping him for doing that
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people are crazy. I don't care about science in lifting. You leave way too much gains out of the table doing everything in certain positions and sacrificing heavy weight over clean reps. Like look at Jeff, he stopped doing those insane rack pulls and deadlifts or going to failure in full range of motions that put your body over crazy tension thousands of times a year and he became a pencil neck. But i don't go around slapping him for doing that
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gianniskarasi
Very good video Jeff, but I have a question.
Since when is it needed for a scientist to explain himself about communicating his science
We studied and graduated with a BSc in Sports Science. I haven't seen any doctor or physiotherapist or mechanic explaining himself/herself making videos about science based content on his/her field.
This is not acceptable from the fitness community, we live the same nightmare here in Greece.
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Very good video Jeff, but I have a question.
Since when is it needed for a scientist to explain himself about communicating his science
We studied and graduated with a BSc in Sports Science. I haven't seen any doctor or physiotherapist or mechanic explaining himself/herself making videos about science based content on his/her field.
This is not acceptable from the fitness community, we live the same nightmare here in Greece.
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szotakandrei
Wrt to the intro, even in evidence based practice being evidence based doesn't mean designing your workouts around what the studies say
It's combining the findings with your own experience, preferences and particular needs.
I know you know this, Jeff, but many people might not. Not every decision you make in the gym has to or even can have a pubmed ID attached to it
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Wrt to the intro, even in evidence based practice being evidence based doesn't mean designing your workouts around what the studies say
It's combining the findings with your own experience, preferences and particular needs.
I know you know this, Jeff, but many people might not. Not every decision you make in the gym has to or even can have a pubmed ID attached to it
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Shawn-oh5yq
Science based training is largely a grift designed to sell apps or in Jeff's case, a $60 book of info you can find on the internet for free. The VAST majority of gen pop will get the results they're looking for without obsessing over meta-analyses or RPE/RIR nonsense. The science-based community are actually expert marketers trying to milk people while the trend is hot.
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Science based training is largely a grift designed to sell apps or in Jeff's case, a $60 book of info you can find on the internet for free. The VAST majority of gen pop will get the results they're looking for without obsessing over meta-analyses or RPE/RIR nonsense. The science-based community are actually expert marketers trying to milk people while the trend is hot.
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AC57001
i think the biggest issues with science based lifting is the misapplication of the science. if you only lifted with principles that are heavily backed by evidence, you would be training in a way that so few people would disagree with. 6 sets a week, close to failure, controlling negatives, exercises focused on the muscle. these are not esoteric principles
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i think the biggest issues with science based lifting is the misapplication of the science. if you only lifted with principles that are heavily backed by evidence, you would be training in a way that so few people would disagree with. 6 sets a week, close to failure, controlling negatives, exercises focused on the muscle. these are not esoteric principles
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parmenides2576
I’ve been incorporating some of jeff’s recommended lifts and like them so far, but the problem with science based lifting is that the quality of the studies is usually abysmal. I work in the hard sciences and even our studies are turning out to be not nearly as replicable as assumed, soft sciences like health science are even worse
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I’ve been incorporating some of jeff’s recommended lifts and like them so far, but the problem with science based lifting is that the quality of the studies is usually abysmal. I work in the hard sciences and even our studies are turning out to be not nearly as replicable as assumed, soft sciences like health science are even worse
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