Hey, DT! I Want A Distro In Between Ubuntu and Arch.- (And Other Questions) DistroTube
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Date: 2022-03-30
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Brandon
Hey DT -- I'm not as hardcore a Linux user as you are, and probably never will be. I still require Windows for BlueStacks, on which I can play my favorite Android games. And, after a rather frustrating experience in dickering with trying to create an ArcoLinuxB ISO with LeftWM, I basically decided to shelve the project (at least for now) and go back to where I started my Linux journey, which, like many Linux users today, just so happens to be Ubuntu. But no, Ubuntu is really just a side OS for me, at least for the time being, and probably will be until such time as I can run an Android emulator like BlueStacks on Linux. Yes, I know there's Genymotion, and Android-x86 (via VirtualBox, VMware, virt-manager, GNOME Boxes, etc.), and there's an Android Virtual Device Manager built into Android Studio, but some of my games just don't work on those emulators. So, for the time being, I'm still mainly on Windows. Sorry about that.
But my question is like this: I've recently been asked if Linux will ever replace Windows, and I said no, only because I don't know whether Linus Torvalds INTENDED Linux to replace Windows at all. I think Linux and Windows (and macOS too) can and will continue to coexist peacefully, or at least without sparking a war.
Anyway, that's my take -- what's yours?
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Hey DT -- I'm not as hardcore a Linux user as you are, and probably never will be. I still require Windows for BlueStacks, on which I can play my favorite Android games. And, after a rather frustrating experience in dickering with trying to create an ArcoLinuxB ISO with LeftWM, I basically decided to shelve the project (at least for now) and go back to where I started my Linux journey, which, like many Linux users today, just so happens to be Ubuntu. But no, Ubuntu is really just a side OS for me, at least for the time being, and probably will be until such time as I can run an Android emulator like BlueStacks on Linux. Yes, I know there's Genymotion, and Android-x86 (via VirtualBox, VMware, virt-manager, GNOME Boxes, etc.), and there's an Android Virtual Device Manager built into Android Studio, but some of my games just don't work on those emulators. So, for the time being, I'm still mainly on Windows. Sorry about that.
But my question is like this: I've recently been asked if Linux will ever replace Windows, and I said no, only because I don't know whether Linus Torvalds INTENDED Linux to replace Windows at all. I think Linux and Windows (and macOS too) can and will continue to coexist peacefully, or at least without sparking a war.
Anyway, that's my take -- what's yours?
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Killian
Saying notepad++ to be hypocrite because of running only on Windows is like saying every single software running only on linux are also hypocrite if they're flagged as open source. It's forgetting all the context around n++. It's one of the biggest door for many people to enter into open source world while not having the choice to run on Windows. And cross platform will never be an open source action, it's different. Making a cross platform software still stay a hard path, easier now but at the time of n++ it wasn't, and rewriting a software just to make it cross platform is like saying to a bridge made of stone -well, a little bit more to the right please-. For the GitHub aspect, keep in mind too things: GitHub wasn't MS before, and building a tool chain working with one tool is hard enough to avoid doing it twice. Also, where does n++ can go where they will be free of big companies? Gitlab has some issue with proprietary parts too, and mostly on one of the biggest aspect of a project like n++: the toolchain and the project management. It will be nice to stop confusing between what a software run on and use and what he fight against. There's no perfect solution.
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Saying notepad++ to be hypocrite because of running only on Windows is like saying every single software running only on linux are also hypocrite if they're flagged as open source. It's forgetting all the context around n++. It's one of the biggest door for many people to enter into open source world while not having the choice to run on Windows. And cross platform will never be an open source action, it's different. Making a cross platform software still stay a hard path, easier now but at the time of n++ it wasn't, and rewriting a software just to make it cross platform is like saying to a bridge made of stone -well, a little bit more to the right please-. For the GitHub aspect, keep in mind too things: GitHub wasn't MS before, and building a tool chain working with one tool is hard enough to avoid doing it twice. Also, where does n++ can go where they will be free of big companies? Gitlab has some issue with proprietary parts too, and mostly on one of the biggest aspect of a project like n++: the toolchain and the project management. It will be nice to stop confusing between what a software run on and use and what he fight against. There's no perfect solution.
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Pronounced
As a former Arch user, I'm now using Debian for most things as a middle ground between Ubuntu and Arch. Though I miss the AUR, Debian gives me the flexibility to install stable software preconfigured with sensible defaults, and most standalone Ubuntu packages will work with it out of the box. Manjaro is trying to be that middle ground, but in my experience, they aren't quite there yet in terms of stability, and are a bit more hand-holdy like Ubuntu, and that attitude gets in the way of things (It's been a while since I played with it though, so YMMV). You can choose to either use Debian with or without a DE, and customize to your heart's content, but you aren't forced to like Arch. Plus, apt is a lot better these days compared to when I started. There is a reason why Canonical chose it as the base distro for Ubuntu, and power users should seriously give it some consideration. Yes, you will be giving up on some of the newer packages, but I think it's a lot better for my peace of mind.
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As a former Arch user, I'm now using Debian for most things as a middle ground between Ubuntu and Arch. Though I miss the AUR, Debian gives me the flexibility to install stable software preconfigured with sensible defaults, and most standalone Ubuntu packages will work with it out of the box. Manjaro is trying to be that middle ground, but in my experience, they aren't quite there yet in terms of stability, and are a bit more hand-holdy like Ubuntu, and that attitude gets in the way of things (It's been a while since I played with it though, so YMMV). You can choose to either use Debian with or without a DE, and customize to your heart's content, but you aren't forced to like Arch. Plus, apt is a lot better these days compared to when I started. There is a reason why Canonical chose it as the base distro for Ubuntu, and power users should seriously give it some consideration. Yes, you will be giving up on some of the newer packages, but I think it's a lot better for my peace of mind.
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QUARK
0:19 with audacity now being owned by a corporation, and making some very questionable decisions, is it time to start looking for other audio editors?
2:34 can you mention some middle ground options between ubuntu (and its derivatives) and arch -- gentoo -- ?
4:31 what kind of music do you like? and why is it mongolian throat singing?
6:37 what's your views on winget, the windows package manager?
8:07 when are you doing another fast and furious movie?
8:14 is this the same thing for rpm repos? can one host a rpm repo in gitlab/hub?
9:59 have you tried artix linux yet?
11:44 hey fool, I don't know any web browsers written in javascript
13:30 could you tell me, what audio interface you're using? I need to buy one and thinking about focusrite clarett, but I'm not sure it will work with linux. the one you use probably has linux support.
15:01 notepad++ recently dropped bing due to censorship issues, thoughts?
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0:19 with audacity now being owned by a corporation, and making some very questionable decisions, is it time to start looking for other audio editors?
2:34 can you mention some middle ground options between ubuntu (and its derivatives) and arch -- gentoo -- ?
4:31 what kind of music do you like? and why is it mongolian throat singing?
6:37 what's your views on winget, the windows package manager?
8:07 when are you doing another fast and furious movie?
8:14 is this the same thing for rpm repos? can one host a rpm repo in gitlab/hub?
9:59 have you tried artix linux yet?
11:44 hey fool, I don't know any web browsers written in javascript
13:30 could you tell me, what audio interface you're using? I need to buy one and thinking about focusrite clarett, but I'm not sure it will work with linux. the one you use probably has linux support.
15:01 notepad++ recently dropped bing due to censorship issues, thoughts?
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Hemish
I found sparky minimal cli and sparky minimal gui some good middlegrounds.
Sparky is based on debain and provides both debain testing-unstable releases and debain stable releases.
So technically using debain unstable based sparky, you can have feel or rolling distro.
While it offers pre-installed desktop environment isos, it offers minimal cli and minimal gui.
Minimal cli is only 600-700 mb and it has a guided command line installer which even asks you if system clock is in UTC or local time. And the minimal cli doesn't install any desktop environment. But it has a tool (coded in shell script) which can install a plethora of desktop environments including bspwm, awesome, openbox, gnome shell, xfce, cinnamon, gnome flashback, lxde, lxqt, budgie, nscde, CDE, mankowari, enlightenment.
I found it good because it is based on debain.
It doesn't give any bloat preinstalled
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I found sparky minimal cli and sparky minimal gui some good middlegrounds.
Sparky is based on debain and provides both debain testing-unstable releases and debain stable releases.
So technically using debain unstable based sparky, you can have feel or rolling distro.
While it offers pre-installed desktop environment isos, it offers minimal cli and minimal gui.
Minimal cli is only 600-700 mb and it has a guided command line installer which even asks you if system clock is in UTC or local time. And the minimal cli doesn't install any desktop environment. But it has a tool (coded in shell script) which can install a plethora of desktop environments including bspwm, awesome, openbox, gnome shell, xfce, cinnamon, gnome flashback, lxde, lxqt, budgie, nscde, CDE, mankowari, enlightenment.
I found it good because it is based on debain.
It doesn't give any bloat preinstalled
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Riedler
I'm sorry to say that you've got the autotune stuff very wrong, for several reasons. Autotune is very much capable of inserting sweeps, dissonant notes and, most importantly, you absolutely can't tell the difference if the producers don't want you to.
Also, the singers are still skilled, they just don't have to take as many takes as singers without autotune to get it sounding perfect.
I get that you don't like the voice effects some pop artists add to their voice though, because I don't either. I do enjoy listening to a lot of digital music though.
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I'm sorry to say that you've got the autotune stuff very wrong, for several reasons. Autotune is very much capable of inserting sweeps, dissonant notes and, most importantly, you absolutely can't tell the difference if the producers don't want you to.
Also, the singers are still skilled, they just don't have to take as many takes as singers without autotune to get it sounding perfect.
I get that you don't like the voice effects some pop artists add to their voice though, because I don't either. I do enjoy listening to a lot of digital music though.
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it_industry
15:05
I had some Gnome theming issues that I couldn't find/solve on Google, so I thought Bing probably got different algorithm, maybe I'll find what I'm looking for there. Anyway what I got was some sick graphic of two garden gnomes slaughtering each other with knives? There was blood all over... sick sh-t.
Probably coincidence but, this could be placed there by them, you know what they are like. They don't give a shit about anything anymore.
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15:05
I had some Gnome theming issues that I couldn't find/solve on Google, so I thought Bing probably got different algorithm, maybe I'll find what I'm looking for there. Anyway what I got was some sick graphic of two garden gnomes slaughtering each other with knives? There was blood all over... sick sh-t.
Probably coincidence but, this could be placed there by them, you know what they are like. They don't give a shit about anything anymore.
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Wafficus
Just Use Fedora Server --> Aka -What's a distro between Ubuntu and Arch-
It's the best. Just install whatever DE or WM you want ontop and you're set.
This or literally any server distribution will do. I learned this even from DistroTube himself with his old Debian Server + OpenBox videos. Have been doing this kind of setup ever since since mainline distributions are just a waste. Always opt for the server editions.
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Just Use Fedora Server --> Aka -What's a distro between Ubuntu and Arch-
It's the best. Just install whatever DE or WM you want ontop and you're set.
This or literally any server distribution will do. I learned this even from DistroTube himself with his old Debian Server + OpenBox videos. Have been doing this kind of setup ever since since mainline distributions are just a waste. Always opt for the server editions.
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Androth
it's been a while since you did a review of pop!os. as a windows -power- user, i just might consider switching to that by purchasing a system76 PC for my upcoming desktop rig replacement.
pop os looks pretty good. seems to have a tiling window manager built in. but if it's still as janky as it was in your previous look, it's going to be a pass for me.
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it's been a while since you did a review of pop!os. as a windows -power- user, i just might consider switching to that by purchasing a system76 PC for my upcoming desktop rig replacement.
pop os looks pretty good. seems to have a tiling window manager built in. but if it's still as janky as it was in your previous look, it's going to be a pass for me.
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GMAH
Related to the artix question, I think there's an empty space right now for an accessible video around what s6 and openrc commands replace common systemd commands, for an easy transition (or translation when people give you tech-support with systemd commands in them)
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Related to the artix question, I think there's an empty space right now for an accessible video around what s6 and openrc commands replace common systemd commands, for an easy transition (or translation when people give you tech-support with systemd commands in them)
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