Manage Your Virtual Machines With Cockpit DistroTube
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Date: 2022-03-30
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__hetz
I like the idea of Cockpit. Hopefully it gets fleshed out a bit more. I've been planning to either build or buy an old rack server (maybe an r620) to VM some stuff like a PiHole, Windows Deployment Server (for when family inevitably gets malware'd), and various nix machines. So far the best suited software for management has looked to be Proxmox but maybe Cockpit will eventually prove a nice alternative.
I can definitely see how it's already overkill for just fiddling with a handful of VMs locally but I dig the networking integration even if I'll likely never tie anything remote into the mix.
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I like the idea of Cockpit. Hopefully it gets fleshed out a bit more. I've been planning to either build or buy an old rack server (maybe an r620) to VM some stuff like a PiHole, Windows Deployment Server (for when family inevitably gets malware'd), and various nix machines. So far the best suited software for management has looked to be Proxmox but maybe Cockpit will eventually prove a nice alternative.
I can definitely see how it's already overkill for just fiddling with a handful of VMs locally but I dig the networking integration even if I'll likely never tie anything remote into the mix.
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Martin
Qemu(kvm) / virt-manager isn't faster for desktop, only stated to be for servers, VirtualBox is more optimized for that(desktop), which I also found, and clearly saw a diff on lower powered(2gb 2cores) vms. Virtualbox has a complete cli interface which has more options than the gui, btw, so nicely scriptable no-matter requirements, hence I personally stick to that, though would prefer the more lightweight non-gui and kernel backed qemu/kvm, but I tried everything to make qemu comparable, but failed, I.e paravirtualized disk and network and propper drivers etc.
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Qemu(kvm) / virt-manager isn't faster for desktop, only stated to be for servers, VirtualBox is more optimized for that(desktop), which I also found, and clearly saw a diff on lower powered(2gb 2cores) vms. Virtualbox has a complete cli interface which has more options than the gui, btw, so nicely scriptable no-matter requirements, hence I personally stick to that, though would prefer the more lightweight non-gui and kernel backed qemu/kvm, but I tried everything to make qemu comparable, but failed, I.e paravirtualized disk and network and propper drivers etc.
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Dzintars
If i am right then the Cockpit is the Fedora Server UI you can get out of the box. But to extend the basic functionality you need to install modules. You can get module to manage containers as well. And some other modules. I see some similarity to Webmin/Virtualmin project. Also i think there is something similar for Ubuntu servers. I believe once they will get the architecture right, there will be standard API to develop your own modules, let's say to manage specific software like Bind, DHCP, PXE, etc, etc. Just a speculation.
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If i am right then the Cockpit is the Fedora Server UI you can get out of the box. But to extend the basic functionality you need to install modules. You can get module to manage containers as well. And some other modules. I see some similarity to Webmin/Virtualmin project. Also i think there is something similar for Ubuntu servers. I believe once they will get the architecture right, there will be standard API to develop your own modules, let's say to manage specific software like Bind, DHCP, PXE, etc, etc. Just a speculation.
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fullsleevetats
I use virt-manager all the time to manage local and several dozen remote VMs running on various servers. I manage my MAAS nodes with virt-manager that sit inside a local container and a remote MAAS region controller, it works great, and secure, and I can do that without the need to install, load and use a web browser. Cheap web interfaces to these tools are really considered legacy at this point. Also look into Boxes, a GNOME project that replaces virt-manager.
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I use virt-manager all the time to manage local and several dozen remote VMs running on various servers. I manage my MAAS nodes with virt-manager that sit inside a local container and a remote MAAS region controller, it works great, and secure, and I can do that without the need to install, load and use a web browser. Cheap web interfaces to these tools are really considered legacy at this point. Also look into Boxes, a GNOME project that replaces virt-manager.
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Terminalforlife
I could actually see me using that. I'm just not sure how I feel about it with regards to security. I mean... the browser? I'd rather just a regular program than a web interface, but it does look pretty awesome. I'd love to set up a server for just VMs. Also, the 'vv' thing seems a bit clunky. I get how useful having a headless VM would be, such as to host contained servers, but still, the process seems a bit odd.
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I could actually see me using that. I'm just not sure how I feel about it with regards to security. I mean... the browser? I'd rather just a regular program than a web interface, but it does look pretty awesome. I'd love to set up a server for just VMs. Also, the 'vv' thing seems a bit clunky. I get how useful having a headless VM would be, such as to host contained servers, but still, the process seems a bit odd.
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Aerodos12
Fun fact: I almost distro hopped to Arch. (Un)fortunately, sudo worked (i was going to reset my main hdd due to the so files not being linked right). Also, i was considering using virt manager for testing my distro, but Im glad you told us that its deprecated beforehand. Nevertheless, I'll still use it
Edit: Just got manjaro. Never going back.
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Fun fact: I almost distro hopped to Arch. (Un)fortunately, sudo worked (i was going to reset my main hdd due to the so files not being linked right). Also, i was considering using virt manager for testing my distro, but Im glad you told us that its deprecated beforehand. Nevertheless, I'll still use it
Edit: Just got manjaro. Never going back.
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Oerjan
One thing if anyone sees this post, have they changed the policy for the one that logs in?
I'm not part of a libvirt group yet I could login fine.
also, as I never used any virtual machine software on this machine, not virtmanger as DT therefore I needed more packages: qemu, virt-install
also seems some more packs...
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One thing if anyone sees this post, have they changed the policy for the one that logs in?
I'm not part of a libvirt group yet I could login fine.
also, as I never used any virtual machine software on this machine, not virtmanger as DT therefore I needed more packages: qemu, virt-install
also seems some more packs...
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Matt
No, virt-manager is not going anywhere, and this is NOT for desktop users that aren't running headless hosts. It's just not. And it's ABSOLUTELY not for VFIO or anything like that. Do NOT try and use this for VFIO, use virt-manager. DT needs to do more research before videos like this.
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No, virt-manager is not going anywhere, and this is NOT for desktop users that aren't running headless hosts. It's just not. And it's ABSOLUTELY not for VFIO or anything like that. Do NOT try and use this for VFIO, use virt-manager. DT needs to do more research before videos like this.
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Arjun
Dear Thanks for the great explanation!
How can I manage Different Physical Hypervisors(Qemu/KVM)s from a single console ?
I keep loggin in to the different physical Qemu/KVM to manage the VMs on it now and it is difficult, since we do have many Physical Hypervisiors (Qemu/KVM)
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Dear Thanks for the great explanation!
How can I manage Different Physical Hypervisors(Qemu/KVM)s from a single console ?
I keep loggin in to the different physical Qemu/KVM to manage the VMs on it now and it is difficult, since we do have many Physical Hypervisiors (Qemu/KVM)
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Stephen
The Cockpit main package is for remote management of physical servers. They have the extra -machines and -containers in case you don't use those remote machines as a hypervisor or a container host. Modularity is flexibility at the expense of ease of use
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The Cockpit main package is for remote management of physical servers. They have the extra -machines and -containers in case you don't use those remote machines as a hypervisor or a container host. Modularity is flexibility at the expense of ease of use
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