NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Super Review & Benchmarks vs. RTX 4070, RX 7800 XT, & More
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Date: 2024-01-16
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JuliuszBaczynski
One thing to note, something I have discovered with Nvidias overlay, is that with its built in render latency measurement, it seems like it can vary at what types of frame caps you use.
One example is on CS2 where I found out that if I capped my fps to 500 within the cs2 console, with a Palit RTX 4080 Jetstream, a ryzen 7800x3d at stock settings, paired with G.skill trident Z5 neo 6000mhz with tweaked sub timings at (30-36-36-76) the average system latency in practice mode with only one player on Nuke, with competitve settings (everything on low except antialiasing at CMAA2 which is barely impacting latency, and same goes for the anisotropic filtering at 16x, bear in mind that shadows set to high is a competitive setting for information about the enemy, so even when set to lower can improve somewhat the latency).
Long segway I know but important! Finally the latency never went above 4ms. Note that this is with the built in render latency mearsurment on nvidia overlay, but it feels in practice like 1 to 1 input feel at this level. Let me know your thoughts on the Nvidia render latency and its limitations for testing at home.
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One thing to note, something I have discovered with Nvidias overlay, is that with its built in render latency measurement, it seems like it can vary at what types of frame caps you use.
One example is on CS2 where I found out that if I capped my fps to 500 within the cs2 console, with a Palit RTX 4080 Jetstream, a ryzen 7800x3d at stock settings, paired with G.skill trident Z5 neo 6000mhz with tweaked sub timings at (30-36-36-76) the average system latency in practice mode with only one player on Nuke, with competitve settings (everything on low except antialiasing at CMAA2 which is barely impacting latency, and same goes for the anisotropic filtering at 16x, bear in mind that shadows set to high is a competitive setting for information about the enemy, so even when set to lower can improve somewhat the latency).
Long segway I know but important! Finally the latency never went above 4ms. Note that this is with the built in render latency mearsurment on nvidia overlay, but it feels in practice like 1 to 1 input feel at this level. Let me know your thoughts on the Nvidia render latency and its limitations for testing at home.
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photonboy999
"Prefer Maximum Performance"
Just FYI, but in some games I kept getting STUTTER but they were my LESS demanding games that worked fine with my previous, GTX1080. I finally figured out that the RTX4070 was dropping the frequency too aggressively so my FPS would drop. For example, in one game I dropped to near 55FPS at GPU Usage of around 50%. And oddly it stayed below 60FPS until I alt-tabbed out and back again. No idea why. When I forced on "Prefer Maximum Performance" it fixed this for this and several other games. It also increased fan speed so that's why I modded with Noctua NF-A12x25 fans and now all is good. (NF-A12x25 chromax black, Y-splitter to motherboard, "Fan Control" software, zip ties NOT attached to the heatsink itself and careful planning).
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"Prefer Maximum Performance"
Just FYI, but in some games I kept getting STUTTER but they were my LESS demanding games that worked fine with my previous, GTX1080. I finally figured out that the RTX4070 was dropping the frequency too aggressively so my FPS would drop. For example, in one game I dropped to near 55FPS at GPU Usage of around 50%. And oddly it stayed below 60FPS until I alt-tabbed out and back again. No idea why. When I forced on "Prefer Maximum Performance" it fixed this for this and several other games. It also increased fan speed so that's why I modded with Noctua NF-A12x25 fans and now all is good. (NF-A12x25 chromax black, Y-splitter to motherboard, "Fan Control" software, zip ties NOT attached to the heatsink itself and careful planning).
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kiruki3902
Big thanks from Poland to all people at GN. Last year I bought sapphire RX6950XT by simply watching all the videos you guys upload. You guys provide me with best information at any time from which I can make my decisions regarding PC hardware purchases. Im really glad that there are guys out there on the internet who I can trust because they do their best. All the new hardware releasing and tbh everything with the charts comparisons. All I wanted to say is again big thanks because thanks to you guys I made and build the best possible pc build at that time with the budget I had at that time and I just can't express enough how thankful I am for all your testing and videos.
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Big thanks from Poland to all people at GN. Last year I bought sapphire RX6950XT by simply watching all the videos you guys upload. You guys provide me with best information at any time from which I can make my decisions regarding PC hardware purchases. Im really glad that there are guys out there on the internet who I can trust because they do their best. All the new hardware releasing and tbh everything with the charts comparisons. All I wanted to say is again big thanks because thanks to you guys I made and build the best possible pc build at that time with the budget I had at that time and I just can't express enough how thankful I am for all your testing and videos.
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Kmcornell23
DON'T BUY NVIDIA! Why Because these upgraded cards are a direct response to AMD taking more of the market back which creates competition! I know these new cards look fancy but now is when you REALLY should be buying AMD. A 50/50 market is where we'll see the most benefit for US as consumers. Support AMD and make the market competitive again! Once we get back to 50/50 (not counting Intel of course) then it won't matter which card you buy. I'm not saying buy AMD forever, I'm just saying you should buy AMD until the market levels back out. We as consumers will gain the most! Look at how AMD is doing against Intel on the CPU side. We can do the same thing with GPUs as well!
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DON'T BUY NVIDIA! Why Because these upgraded cards are a direct response to AMD taking more of the market back which creates competition! I know these new cards look fancy but now is when you REALLY should be buying AMD. A 50/50 market is where we'll see the most benefit for US as consumers. Support AMD and make the market competitive again! Once we get back to 50/50 (not counting Intel of course) then it won't matter which card you buy. I'm not saying buy AMD forever, I'm just saying you should buy AMD until the market levels back out. We as consumers will gain the most! Look at how AMD is doing against Intel on the CPU side. We can do the same thing with GPUs as well!
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facksmasheen
Hope you can take a look at Tekken 8, either as a one-off, or as a part of the regular hardware review suite. I'd be ecstatic if it somehow fits into regular hardware reviews. Fighting games have a unique scenario where they are locked at 60 fps (unless you mod the game) and with ideal settings/hardware you want the game to look as good as possible while never dipping below 60, with latency as low as possible, and frametimes as consistent as possible. There's more graphics settings in the game then ever before, and I'm a little lost on how to optimize for consistency (demo has been out for a while now, game is out in 10 days). Thanks Steve :)
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Hope you can take a look at Tekken 8, either as a one-off, or as a part of the regular hardware review suite. I'd be ecstatic if it somehow fits into regular hardware reviews. Fighting games have a unique scenario where they are locked at 60 fps (unless you mod the game) and with ideal settings/hardware you want the game to look as good as possible while never dipping below 60, with latency as low as possible, and frametimes as consistent as possible. There's more graphics settings in the game then ever before, and I'm a little lost on how to optimize for consistency (demo has been out for a while now, game is out in 10 days). Thanks Steve :)
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Rac3r4Life
I'm so glad I ditched Nvidia. I had an Nvidia GPU in every system I've built in the last 20 years, and they were all EVGA.
I'm a Linux user, so the drivers can be a PITA. I always put up with the issues because their GPUs were so good. Finally, when EVGA said they weren't making GPUs anymore I decided to put an RX 6700XT in my newest 5800x3D build.
So far I have been thrilled with the performance of the 6700xt. The Linux kernel also has the driver built-in, so there's nothing to worry about. It just works. I am seriously considering an upgrade to the 7900XT soon.
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I'm so glad I ditched Nvidia. I had an Nvidia GPU in every system I've built in the last 20 years, and they were all EVGA.
I'm a Linux user, so the drivers can be a PITA. I always put up with the issues because their GPUs were so good. Finally, when EVGA said they weren't making GPUs anymore I decided to put an RX 6700XT in my newest 5800x3D build.
So far I have been thrilled with the performance of the 6700xt. The Linux kernel also has the driver built-in, so there's nothing to worry about. It just works. I am seriously considering an upgrade to the 7900XT soon.
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kevinl1664
might be a dumb question and pardon me if so, but wouldn't the latency be more monitor focused and biased than gpu biased I used to do tech testing at a gaming company and we always tested our test-rigs on monitors for esports events. Would love to see monitor reviews/benchmarks though!! would be great for color accuracy pre/post calibration, actual latency, performance vs cost, etc. especially with new GPU's coming out, folks are probably going to be looking for new displays.
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might be a dumb question and pardon me if so, but wouldn't the latency be more monitor focused and biased than gpu biased I used to do tech testing at a gaming company and we always tested our test-rigs on monitors for esports events. Would love to see monitor reviews/benchmarks though!! would be great for color accuracy pre/post calibration, actual latency, performance vs cost, etc. especially with new GPU's coming out, folks are probably going to be looking for new displays.
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jcooper1732
Really curious if you notice and physical changes in the new card such as weight or stronger boards to resolve sag, cracks, and other issues with the weight of the cards being to heavy. Also would like to see the latency differences using a riser. I think these cards are just going to get heavier and I wonder if there will be more cases that either add GPU supports or more cases being designed for vertical placement like the Y60 and Y40.
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Really curious if you notice and physical changes in the new card such as weight or stronger boards to resolve sag, cracks, and other issues with the weight of the cards being to heavy. Also would like to see the latency differences using a riser. I think these cards are just going to get heavier and I wonder if there will be more cases that either add GPU supports or more cases being designed for vertical placement like the Y60 and Y40.
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kinatasss
It would be interesting to benchmark noise and efficiency when limiting the frame rate. Most modern cards can handle 2k60fps, but which one can do so while being the quietest and most efficient. Sure, a 4060 can run forza in 1080p at 60 fps, but is it as quiet/efficient as a 4080 doing the same I for one would be willing to spend a bit more on a card I "don't need" just so I don't have to hear the fans running at 2000 rpm
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It would be interesting to benchmark noise and efficiency when limiting the frame rate. Most modern cards can handle 2k60fps, but which one can do so while being the quietest and most efficient. Sure, a 4060 can run forza in 1080p at 60 fps, but is it as quiet/efficient as a 4080 doing the same I for one would be willing to spend a bit more on a card I "don't need" just so I don't have to hear the fans running at 2000 rpm
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willlive6845
Is there any way you could add escape from tarkov to your current benchmarks.
The main reason I say that is because it is a notoriously demanding game which is very hard to spec a PC for.
No one truly knows what type of pc you need to build to run the game well.
If you don’t add it to benchmarks could you do a video on eft performance.
I feel it would be an interesting challenge and an original video!!!
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Is there any way you could add escape from tarkov to your current benchmarks.
The main reason I say that is because it is a notoriously demanding game which is very hard to spec a PC for.
No one truly knows what type of pc you need to build to run the game well.
If you don’t add it to benchmarks could you do a video on eft performance.
I feel it would be an interesting challenge and an original video!!!
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synitarthrax5618
While holding on to my AM4 platform for at least another year, I can see a major upgrade going from my current 3060 12G to a 4070 Super. Looks like the 4070 Super will also hold it's own, at this price point, when I upgrade platforms. NVIDIA seems to be creating a scenario where you should never buy a brand spanking new model and instead wait for their Super variants at the same price point a year later.
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While holding on to my AM4 platform for at least another year, I can see a major upgrade going from my current 3060 12G to a 4070 Super. Looks like the 4070 Super will also hold it's own, at this price point, when I upgrade platforms. NVIDIA seems to be creating a scenario where you should never buy a brand spanking new model and instead wait for their Super variants at the same price point a year later.
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austindiaz4355
I currently have a 3070ti 8gb and am looking to upgrade. Not sure the best way to proceed should I move to the 4090 or wait for next series cards I play warzone, apex , fort, madden, diablo a little bit of everything and unless i am playing COD my frames are usually pretty good but still feels a little off. Just wondering if i should look into these new cards wait for the next series or just get a 4090
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I currently have a 3070ti 8gb and am looking to upgrade. Not sure the best way to proceed should I move to the 4090 or wait for next series cards I play warzone, apex , fort, madden, diablo a little bit of everything and unless i am playing COD my frames are usually pretty good but still feels a little off. Just wondering if i should look into these new cards wait for the next series or just get a 4090
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SmoggySandwich
Please keep in mind for latency, the monitor itself plays a big role as well since you are using the external sensor. You will need all your data recorded on the same monitor, with the same monitor settings for each test, in order to compare them. Obviously you did that for these tests, since it's a new set, but if you ever add to this set in future it's something to remember.
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Please keep in mind for latency, the monitor itself plays a big role as well since you are using the external sensor. You will need all your data recorded on the same monitor, with the same monitor settings for each test, in order to compare them. Obviously you did that for these tests, since it's a new set, but if you ever add to this set in future it's something to remember.
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gamersnexus
I really think you should change the labeling on your graphs to make the names more readable.
Maybe you could have the GPU name in front and the specific variant after, with the whole thing left-aligned Lile "RTX 4070 Ti 12GB - Asus TUF stock (1/24)
Or the opposite with the GPU all the way in the right. But the way it is now it's very hard to tell at a glance which GPU it is.
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I really think you should change the labeling on your graphs to make the names more readable.
Maybe you could have the GPU name in front and the specific variant after, with the whole thing left-aligned Lile "RTX 4070 Ti 12GB - Asus TUF stock (1/24)
Or the opposite with the GPU all the way in the right. But the way it is now it's very hard to tell at a glance which GPU it is.
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HarryNohara
What I'm missing from these kind of reviews is how they perform in combination with an older CPU. How much performance am I gonna lose on a WQHD Ultra setup if I would use an old 6700k over a new 12700KF for example. Sometimes a reliable benchmark is posted somewhere online, but in most cases it is always a 1080p bottleneck test, not a more every day scenario for 1440p or 2160p.
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What I'm missing from these kind of reviews is how they perform in combination with an older CPU. How much performance am I gonna lose on a WQHD Ultra setup if I would use an old 6700k over a new 12700KF for example. Sometimes a reliable benchmark is posted somewhere online, but in most cases it is always a 1080p bottleneck test, not a more every day scenario for 1440p or 2160p.
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aungthuhein007
26:38. It’s not just about RT! DLSS looks noticeably better than FSR in most games! Why do you never mention this And RT (as much as I hate to say this because of how Nvidia is doing it much better right now) is the future for computer graphics in games, at least in the longer term. I really hope AMD puts up an actual competition in this. Otherwise, Nvidia gonna Nvidia.
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26:38. It’s not just about RT! DLSS looks noticeably better than FSR in most games! Why do you never mention this And RT (as much as I hate to say this because of how Nvidia is doing it much better right now) is the future for computer graphics in games, at least in the longer term. I really hope AMD puts up an actual competition in this. Otherwise, Nvidia gonna Nvidia.
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fairycat
To my understanding the only reason why AMD's gpus is better in game than NVidia ones is game optimizations as itself... Unfortunately it is seemless that consumers will be buying 4070 series becouse of raytraicing advantages which is reducing fps greatly and is reach pleasure. By the way 13th Gen of Intel cpus deffenately works better with Nvidia cards. Thanks for review.
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To my understanding the only reason why AMD's gpus is better in game than NVidia ones is game optimizations as itself... Unfortunately it is seemless that consumers will be buying 4070 series becouse of raytraicing advantages which is reducing fps greatly and is reach pleasure. By the way 13th Gen of Intel cpus deffenately works better with Nvidia cards. Thanks for review.
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DKTD23
The 6800XT is still a great card regardless of the Nvidia schilling Super lineup. The 7900XT is still showing great performance and should be more compelling with a price cut upon the 4070Ti Super launch. I guess the main 'benefit' is that Nvidia slots into the gaps with $600 and up and the 7000 series cards potentially seeing decent price cuts in the next month or two.
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The 6800XT is still a great card regardless of the Nvidia schilling Super lineup. The 7900XT is still showing great performance and should be more compelling with a price cut upon the 4070Ti Super launch. I guess the main 'benefit' is that Nvidia slots into the gaps with $600 and up and the 7000 series cards potentially seeing decent price cuts in the next month or two.
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IcyTorment
Would love to see some more demanding software in the benchmark suite and more variety.... MS Flight Simulator, for example. And maybe some VR or multi-monitor tests for genres where those are popular. I'm pretty sure that, on average, the people doing single monitor 1080 FPS gaming are less likely to have the money to be shopping for these cards, anyway.
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Would love to see some more demanding software in the benchmark suite and more variety.... MS Flight Simulator, for example. And maybe some VR or multi-monitor tests for genres where those are popular. I'm pretty sure that, on average, the people doing single monitor 1080 FPS gaming are less likely to have the money to be shopping for these cards, anyway.
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jamescampbell8482
The only test I could see is Meaningful for ultra high frame rates would be a Persistence of vision test, since that is the only perceptual benefit you are gathering past a certain point.
Hard to believe that we have stuck with sample and hold displays so long that you can almost run a game at a kilohertz rate.
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The only test I could see is Meaningful for ultra high frame rates would be a Persistence of vision test, since that is the only perceptual benefit you are gathering past a certain point.
Hard to believe that we have stuck with sample and hold displays so long that you can almost run a game at a kilohertz rate.
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