AMD's New Ryzen 7 5700X3D & More AM4 CPUs, APU 8700G, 8600G, 8500G, & 8300G Specs
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Date: 2024-01-09
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GGigabiteM
I don't see AMD releasing more new CPUs on the aging AM4 socket as a good thing, it's just a further headache to the consumer and motherboard vendors.
AM4 has been completely saturated since the beginning of 5000 series chips. AMD ran out of space in the UEFI ROM for microcode years ago, leading board vendors to do one of three things:
1) Release a cut-down BIOS to fit more microcode in the ROM and still support all available AM4 CPUs.
2) Inconsistently drop support for random CPUs that the motherboard vendor deems unworthy to support. They don't necessarily have to be older either, I've seen some boards drop support for APUs of all types, and lesser known parts, rather than just older CPUs, like 1000 series parts or the early Bulldozer parts.
3) Release multiple BIOS images that support groups of different CPUs.
Scenarios 2 and 3 are becoming increasingly common, and with that, it creates a massive headache for consumers. I've already seen where multiple BIOS images have different feature sets and microcode patch revisions, which means that some features that should be available across all CPUs is absent, or there are bugs present on one that aren't on another.
And with all of this, it makes it an absolute nightmare to build a new AM4 system. You must have at least one of every generation and half generation of Ryzen CPU to account for all of the different BIOS releases out there. I've bought multiple new B450, B550 and X570 boards from Asus, Asrock, MSI and Gigabyte that promised Ryzen 5000 support right out of the box, but didn't actually have it. They had some weird bastardized BIOS revision that only supported specific Ryzen 3000 series parts. So the boards had to be RMA'd or returned to the retailer, and I had to play the lottery of hoping to get another board that had the correct BIOS to support the CPU that was to be installed. It's so bad now that I won't buy an AM4 board online anymore, I'll buy it from a local store and pay more for it so they can flash the BIOS on it before I take it home. And don't even bother with the but BIOS flashback! - Very few boards have this feature, and fewer still does it actually work properly.
Owners of old Ryzen chips are also SOL if they have spare chips kicking around and want to build a system. You'll have to scrounge for an old board and hope whoever owned it didn't flash it with a BIOS image that dropped support for your chip. I have a B450 board that's on an old BIOS release, because it's the last one to support a 1500X. If it gets updated, the system will be bricked.
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I don't see AMD releasing more new CPUs on the aging AM4 socket as a good thing, it's just a further headache to the consumer and motherboard vendors.
AM4 has been completely saturated since the beginning of 5000 series chips. AMD ran out of space in the UEFI ROM for microcode years ago, leading board vendors to do one of three things:
1) Release a cut-down BIOS to fit more microcode in the ROM and still support all available AM4 CPUs.
2) Inconsistently drop support for random CPUs that the motherboard vendor deems unworthy to support. They don't necessarily have to be older either, I've seen some boards drop support for APUs of all types, and lesser known parts, rather than just older CPUs, like 1000 series parts or the early Bulldozer parts.
3) Release multiple BIOS images that support groups of different CPUs.
Scenarios 2 and 3 are becoming increasingly common, and with that, it creates a massive headache for consumers. I've already seen where multiple BIOS images have different feature sets and microcode patch revisions, which means that some features that should be available across all CPUs is absent, or there are bugs present on one that aren't on another.
And with all of this, it makes it an absolute nightmare to build a new AM4 system. You must have at least one of every generation and half generation of Ryzen CPU to account for all of the different BIOS releases out there. I've bought multiple new B450, B550 and X570 boards from Asus, Asrock, MSI and Gigabyte that promised Ryzen 5000 support right out of the box, but didn't actually have it. They had some weird bastardized BIOS revision that only supported specific Ryzen 3000 series parts. So the boards had to be RMA'd or returned to the retailer, and I had to play the lottery of hoping to get another board that had the correct BIOS to support the CPU that was to be installed. It's so bad now that I won't buy an AM4 board online anymore, I'll buy it from a local store and pay more for it so they can flash the BIOS on it before I take it home. And don't even bother with the but BIOS flashback! - Very few boards have this feature, and fewer still does it actually work properly.
Owners of old Ryzen chips are also SOL if they have spare chips kicking around and want to build a system. You'll have to scrounge for an old board and hope whoever owned it didn't flash it with a BIOS image that dropped support for your chip. I have a B450 board that's on an old BIOS release, because it's the last one to support a 1500X. If it gets updated, the system will be bricked.
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johndoh5182
The thing that excites me the most is the APUs. This is going to allow AMD to get into the OEM PC market much more than they are now, mainly because OEMs need to build systems that have AI incorporated (whether YOU use it or not) and because of the improvements to the graphics which drops the cost of the systems for low end gaming.
THESE are the parts I'll be most interested in seeing benchmarked. I'm expecting around 75% - 100% uplifts for GPU performance WITHOUT frame generation. And I don't think frame generation is going to benefit these APUs like they will more powerful GPUs because it takes GPU power to run FSR. So, regardless of slides AMD showed I'm REALLY interested in seeing these benchmarked.
Could care less about a 5700X3D that's ONLY coming out because AMD needs to push off die that's not good enough for the 5800X3D, where that particular part was been a problem for AMD. Of 8 systems I've built for people using the 5800X3D I had to RMA TWO of those CPUs because of overheating, in a room with a ceiling fan that moves plenty of air over the test setup and the ambient temp about 75 degrees F.
So I had to RMA 25% of the 5800X3Ds I bought, because they overheated, and I mean multiple temp sensors on the SoC or cores were above their redline point and the CPU had to throttle, in a room condition where every other CPU runs fine, including MANY 5600, 5700X and 5800X based systems I've built, and running 3600 memory which is a heavier load on the CPU that running 3200 which is what I did with the 5800X3D parts (3200 14-14-14-34). I'm not surprised AMD is releasing a 5700X3D that's clocked slower and consequently can use die that gets too hot clocking at the speeds the 5800X3D runs at. Maybe they won't try to push as many bad die into the 5800X3D now.
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The thing that excites me the most is the APUs. This is going to allow AMD to get into the OEM PC market much more than they are now, mainly because OEMs need to build systems that have AI incorporated (whether YOU use it or not) and because of the improvements to the graphics which drops the cost of the systems for low end gaming.
THESE are the parts I'll be most interested in seeing benchmarked. I'm expecting around 75% - 100% uplifts for GPU performance WITHOUT frame generation. And I don't think frame generation is going to benefit these APUs like they will more powerful GPUs because it takes GPU power to run FSR. So, regardless of slides AMD showed I'm REALLY interested in seeing these benchmarked.
Could care less about a 5700X3D that's ONLY coming out because AMD needs to push off die that's not good enough for the 5800X3D, where that particular part was been a problem for AMD. Of 8 systems I've built for people using the 5800X3D I had to RMA TWO of those CPUs because of overheating, in a room with a ceiling fan that moves plenty of air over the test setup and the ambient temp about 75 degrees F.
So I had to RMA 25% of the 5800X3Ds I bought, because they overheated, and I mean multiple temp sensors on the SoC or cores were above their redline point and the CPU had to throttle, in a room condition where every other CPU runs fine, including MANY 5600, 5700X and 5800X based systems I've built, and running 3600 memory which is a heavier load on the CPU that running 3200 which is what I did with the 5800X3D parts (3200 14-14-14-34). I'm not surprised AMD is releasing a 5700X3D that's clocked slower and consequently can use die that gets too hot clocking at the speeds the 5800X3D runs at. Maybe they won't try to push as many bad die into the 5800X3D now.
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gamersnexus
I m really curious to see how the 8700G specifically performs compared to a low end dGPU considering GPU prices in my area are still pretty high (not to mention power usage of even a lower end dGPU vs an APU), but based on the claimed framerate on Cyberpunk 2077 at 1080p low, I don t think they re quite where I d want them to be based on my hopes of essentially making a gaming oriented pc with comperable size, cost, power usage and 1080p gaming performance in modern titles as the XBOX series X and PS5. I also wonder how the 8700G and it s 780m performs compared to the Z1 extreme, since the GPU is the same, though I presume the desktop version of the GPU would perform significantly better due to higher power budget and better cooling, though if the improvement isn t significant I ll stick to my Ally and Acer laptop with a 10300h and 1650 ti mobile
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I m really curious to see how the 8700G specifically performs compared to a low end dGPU considering GPU prices in my area are still pretty high (not to mention power usage of even a lower end dGPU vs an APU), but based on the claimed framerate on Cyberpunk 2077 at 1080p low, I don t think they re quite where I d want them to be based on my hopes of essentially making a gaming oriented pc with comperable size, cost, power usage and 1080p gaming performance in modern titles as the XBOX series X and PS5. I also wonder how the 8700G and it s 780m performs compared to the Z1 extreme, since the GPU is the same, though I presume the desktop version of the GPU would perform significantly better due to higher power budget and better cooling, though if the improvement isn t significant I ll stick to my Ally and Acer laptop with a 10300h and 1650 ti mobile
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gamersnexus
Motherboard manufacturers get to produce and sell the same AM4 motherboards without having to invest in the expensive process of designing something new. The boards keep their value both in the boxed/new/retail market and in the used market. Also the boards don't end up in landfills. I literally can't think of a downside to keep the AM4 platform alive as long as it is technically viable.
Overall this strategy is building my trust in AMD and their platforms overall -- ensuring that it will be VERY difficult to get me onto Intel since I can trust that they historically have only released 1 cpu generation per motherboard, while AMD has provided an 8 year long upgrade path. Why would I ever go back to a platform that guarantees my system to be outdated after only 1 new generation of CPU's?
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Motherboard manufacturers get to produce and sell the same AM4 motherboards without having to invest in the expensive process of designing something new. The boards keep their value both in the boxed/new/retail market and in the used market. Also the boards don't end up in landfills. I literally can't think of a downside to keep the AM4 platform alive as long as it is technically viable.
Overall this strategy is building my trust in AMD and their platforms overall -- ensuring that it will be VERY difficult to get me onto Intel since I can trust that they historically have only released 1 cpu generation per motherboard, while AMD has provided an 8 year long upgrade path. Why would I ever go back to a platform that guarantees my system to be outdated after only 1 new generation of CPU's?
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AdmV0rl0n
I went Ryzen 1600af and 2600 around the time 3/4th gen Ryzen stuff was general. Most of my PC gear in the up end side is Ryzen AM4.
I've had a few special rigs, back in the day Celeron 300a, and Athlons/Opterons around the 1Ghz race. Nothing I've seen comes close to what AMD did and does with AM4. From a customer stand point, all the way to making a good case against land fill, and in the bounds of showing that a platform can be designed and sustained - I don't have enough good words to say about AMD and the Ryzen/AM4 platform. I really hope they do the same thing with AM5.
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I went Ryzen 1600af and 2600 around the time 3/4th gen Ryzen stuff was general. Most of my PC gear in the up end side is Ryzen AM4.
I've had a few special rigs, back in the day Celeron 300a, and Athlons/Opterons around the 1Ghz race. Nothing I've seen comes close to what AMD did and does with AM4. From a customer stand point, all the way to making a good case against land fill, and in the bounds of showing that a platform can be designed and sustained - I don't have enough good words to say about AMD and the Ryzen/AM4 platform. I really hope they do the same thing with AM5.
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judoisoww
AMD has supply contracts to produce ZEN 3 EPYC processors untill 2025/2026 I believe. They use the same core chiplets for Desktop, threadripper and server with desktop just using fewer chiplets and a smaller IO die which is on a cheap 12nm node.
The worst yields which are still pretty good are being sold to tye DIY market which is why we're seeing more of these weird SKUs pop up. These chips would otherwise be discarded and I would guess the only reason they aren't even cheaper is because AMD doesn't want to discourage adoption of AM5 too much lol.
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AMD has supply contracts to produce ZEN 3 EPYC processors untill 2025/2026 I believe. They use the same core chiplets for Desktop, threadripper and server with desktop just using fewer chiplets and a smaller IO die which is on a cheap 12nm node.
The worst yields which are still pretty good are being sold to tye DIY market which is why we're seeing more of these weird SKUs pop up. These chips would otherwise be discarded and I would guess the only reason they aren't even cheaper is because AMD doesn't want to discourage adoption of AM5 too much lol.
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18earendil
Now if AMD could start supporting Ryzen AI on Linux already. Morever when AI softwares and features for Windows 11 made by freaking Microsoft themselves rely on WSL, aka Linux, to work. Without counting Docker.
We, at AMD, have the best NPU on CPU. But only on Windows, and only for softwares not relying on WSL or a Docker container because we don't support Linux. If you use Linux, Docker or a software like Windows AI Studio, and what to leverage a NPU directly integrated to the CPU, go to Intel.
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Now if AMD could start supporting Ryzen AI on Linux already. Morever when AI softwares and features for Windows 11 made by freaking Microsoft themselves rely on WSL, aka Linux, to work. Without counting Docker.
We, at AMD, have the best NPU on CPU. But only on Windows, and only for softwares not relying on WSL or a Docker container because we don't support Linux. If you use Linux, Docker or a software like Windows AI Studio, and what to leverage a NPU directly integrated to the CPU, go to Intel.
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Golden_AceDBD
My first build was on AM4 in 2019, with a used ryzen 7 1700, then i sold it for a 2600 for some IPC gains, in 2023 i upgraded to a 5600 for 130 . Its crazy that after all these years, all these cpus and mobos are relevant. I dont care those who say its marketing its a company they do it for revenue blah bla blah... This stuff is just crazy. AMD made everything from cheap performance to very fast publicly available to everyone. This platform is legendary.
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My first build was on AM4 in 2019, with a used ryzen 7 1700, then i sold it for a 2600 for some IPC gains, in 2023 i upgraded to a 5600 for 130 . Its crazy that after all these years, all these cpus and mobos are relevant. I dont care those who say its marketing its a company they do it for revenue blah bla blah... This stuff is just crazy. AMD made everything from cheap performance to very fast publicly available to everyone. This platform is legendary.
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louisharkna9464
In my opinion, AMD continuing to support AM4 means they have a LOT of silicon left that they are sitting on. Also after seeing how the 5800X3D can compete with current DDR5 based systems (especially in gaming) it's my impression that AMD is also banking on enthusiast & hobbyist goodwill.
(This will also put Intel to SHAME for their past socket shenanigans)
(Also maybe a sorry for not being clear on AM5 power settings & blowing up procs)
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In my opinion, AMD continuing to support AM4 means they have a LOT of silicon left that they are sitting on. Also after seeing how the 5800X3D can compete with current DDR5 based systems (especially in gaming) it's my impression that AMD is also banking on enthusiast & hobbyist goodwill.
(This will also put Intel to SHAME for their past socket shenanigans)
(Also maybe a sorry for not being clear on AM5 power settings & blowing up procs)
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andreib2386
Why is no one reporting on the X670E Aorus Master rev 1.0 that has a huge problem straight from the factory. Soo many people are complaining about it. Problem like the internet connection disappears, or the error code 8A or 64 end more. Gigabyte did tell to someone users that its a problem from factory. But Gigabyte didn't make any announcement of how to fix the problem or even to acknowledge the problem when its affecting soo many people.
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Why is no one reporting on the X670E Aorus Master rev 1.0 that has a huge problem straight from the factory. Soo many people are complaining about it. Problem like the internet connection disappears, or the error code 8A or 64 end more. Gigabyte did tell to someone users that its a problem from factory. But Gigabyte didn't make any announcement of how to fix the problem or even to acknowledge the problem when its affecting soo many people.
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Poringosa
I'm really excited for the new APUs. I loved the A10 7850k back in the day and was able to play almost all games I wanted to play with it, until I bought a dedicated GPU. Depending on the prices and performance this might actually be a decent upgrade plan again.
Plus looking at the insane AM4 life support going AM5 might be great for future updates down the line. Really looking forward for the benchmarks.
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I'm really excited for the new APUs. I loved the A10 7850k back in the day and was able to play almost all games I wanted to play with it, until I bought a dedicated GPU. Depending on the prices and performance this might actually be a decent upgrade plan again.
Plus looking at the insane AM4 life support going AM5 might be great for future updates down the line. Really looking forward for the benchmarks.
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daymianhogue1634
Speaking of AM4's longevity yall should find one of the OG 2016 Bristol Ridge Cpus for AM4; and try to do some crazy Bristol Ridge vs 5700x3d cpu comparison. Start of AM4 vs end of AM4 style comparison. I can only imagine it being like 5x faster or something crazy like that. Maybe get like a Pro A10-8770, an R7 1700, R7 2700, R7 3700x, R7 5700x, and R7 5700x3D... and see how the comparisons go.
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Speaking of AM4's longevity yall should find one of the OG 2016 Bristol Ridge Cpus for AM4; and try to do some crazy Bristol Ridge vs 5700x3d cpu comparison. Start of AM4 vs end of AM4 style comparison. I can only imagine it being like 5x faster or something crazy like that. Maybe get like a Pro A10-8770, an R7 1700, R7 2700, R7 3700x, R7 5700x, and R7 5700x3D... and see how the comparisons go.
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mytech6779
AMD supports low end consumer grade socket with new products 8 years later.
Also AMD: irratically drops support for 4 year old high end professional GPU products and refuses to provide access to older versions of pro drivers and ROCm software.
(In either case they make zero commitments to length of support. Which is a huge red flag when deciding on a hardware investment.)
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AMD supports low end consumer grade socket with new products 8 years later.
Also AMD: irratically drops support for 4 year old high end professional GPU products and refuses to provide access to older versions of pro drivers and ROCm software.
(In either case they make zero commitments to length of support. Which is a huge red flag when deciding on a hardware investment.)
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chanm01
It's cool that AMD is still supporting AM4, but this CES has been a bit of a snoozer so far. Neither Meteor Lake nor Hawk Point really move the needle much, and I've not seen anything else new. I mean, there's the usual array of CES gimmick stuff (translucent tvs, gigantic screens, etc.) but nothing that really seems targeted at normal consumers.
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It's cool that AMD is still supporting AM4, but this CES has been a bit of a snoozer so far. Neither Meteor Lake nor Hawk Point really move the needle much, and I've not seen anything else new. I mean, there's the usual array of CES gimmick stuff (translucent tvs, gigantic screens, etc.) but nothing that really seems targeted at normal consumers.
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Stoukeer
I was about to upgrade my partially 10 y.o. PC (4770/1660super). After all the CES news and new NVIDIA cards and their pricing - I think I'll probably go with AMD this time around. 7600xt looks good and by going with AMD GPU there is no reason to buy intel for the new rig. 5700x3d looks alright for my build as well. What do you guys think?
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I was about to upgrade my partially 10 y.o. PC (4770/1660super). After all the CES news and new NVIDIA cards and their pricing - I think I'll probably go with AMD this time around. 7600xt looks good and by going with AMD GPU there is no reason to buy intel for the new rig. 5700x3d looks alright for my build as well. What do you guys think?
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Saieden
It really can't be understated how good this is for average Joe users that just need something stable that isn't a laptop long term. I think we are past the point where new windows versions would destroy this market segment like it did in the 98 to xp to 7 days, and desktop Linux is also in a really good spot for user friendly too.
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It really can't be understated how good this is for average Joe users that just need something stable that isn't a laptop long term. I think we are past the point where new windows versions would destroy this market segment like it did in the 98 to xp to 7 days, and desktop Linux is also in a really good spot for user friendly too.
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JustAGenericGamer
AM4 is proof that Intel was being greedy by constantly requiring new motherboards and chipsets every generation or two. Their latest CPUs aren't even really new generations , identical chips, just higher clocks. Which is why a 14900k chokes down over 280 watts while gaming, while a 7950X3D doesn't even use 160 watts.
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AM4 is proof that Intel was being greedy by constantly requiring new motherboards and chipsets every generation or two. Their latest CPUs aren't even really new generations , identical chips, just higher clocks. Which is why a 14900k chokes down over 280 watts while gaming, while a 7950X3D doesn't even use 160 watts.
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BigBear--
I'm still sooo happy I snagged a 5800X3D for 299, when it was on sale at Microcenter. As an upgrade for my 3700X, it's an awesome way not to have to build a whole new PC. I'm combining it along with an upgrade from my old Asus ROG Strix 2070 Super, to a new EVGA 3080 Ti FTW3. Should be a beast of a PC for a few more years.
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I'm still sooo happy I snagged a 5800X3D for 299, when it was on sale at Microcenter. As an upgrade for my 3700X, it's an awesome way not to have to build a whole new PC. I'm combining it along with an upgrade from my old Asus ROG Strix 2070 Super, to a new EVGA 3080 Ti FTW3. Should be a beast of a PC for a few more years.
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gamersnexus
These comments make no sense. AM4 has seen ZERO upgrades since 5800x3d. None. All of the new product releases since are just releases of worse bins: 5600x3d (=faulty 5800x3d chiplets with non-functioning cores so 2 are disabled), 5700x3d (=bad bins of 5800x3d cores so frequency has to be dropped). This is a dead socket.
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These comments make no sense. AM4 has seen ZERO upgrades since 5800x3d. None. All of the new product releases since are just releases of worse bins: 5600x3d (=faulty 5800x3d chiplets with non-functioning cores so 2 are disabled), 5700x3d (=bad bins of 5800x3d cores so frequency has to be dropped). This is a dead socket.
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IIRyokenII
Crazy question: when did Wikipedia become an acceptable information source for professional use? I remember writing papers in college and having professors deny papers from students who cited Wikipedia articles as a source because it was open source and information could be modified easily by anyone.
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Crazy question: when did Wikipedia become an acceptable information source for professional use? I remember writing papers in college and having professors deny papers from students who cited Wikipedia articles as a source because it was open source and information could be modified easily by anyone.
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