From Milano to the Ligurian Sea with FS Intercity -Giorno-
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Date: 2024-01-09
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-davidcorbett62
I did that journey in 1976 whilst serving in the British army of the Rhine. Then it was corridor coaches which got annoying as two attractive Italian girls came into our compartment which then led to a succession of Italian boy romeos trying their luck. as neither me or my mate could speak Italian it was a non starter for us lol. The fun started when we got to ventamelia, we had a cpl of hours before our train left for nice so we went for a walk down to the beach, the town them was a bit run down but the main problem arose as we headed to the beach on quite a wide pavement, walking toward a us where 5 young m en walking shoulder to shoulder pushing everyone off onto the road including quite a few elderly. I looked. at. My mate a black belt in judo he nodded yeah let-s so we just piled into them knocking two on their asses and stopped to see their reaction. Our trip down from Cologne had been a long one with little sleep so we where in the mood for a ruck. the reluctant heroes walked away but followed us at a distance until we got back to the starvation where we -rescued- a young Australian backpacker from yet another very annoyingly persistent admirer. We stayed with her until her train arrived then made our way to our platform, we searched. Everywhere for a passport control but. Couldn-t find one so just went to the platform for our nice train. next thing some Italian police idiot is waving his pistol at us, I don-t react well to having a gun pointed at Me so told him either holster it or I will shove it up your arse. He decided on the former then pushed us down numerous corridors until we arrived at a unmarked hatch, which turned out to be the passport control though how you ever know was beyond me, he gave a cursory glance at our passports before waving us on. Thankfully we just made our train because if we had missed it I would have gladly walked to France, all in al it was awful sampling of Italian railways and some of its inhabitants. Our week in Cannes was a paradise in comparison
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I did that journey in 1976 whilst serving in the British army of the Rhine. Then it was corridor coaches which got annoying as two attractive Italian girls came into our compartment which then led to a succession of Italian boy romeos trying their luck. as neither me or my mate could speak Italian it was a non starter for us lol. The fun started when we got to ventamelia, we had a cpl of hours before our train left for nice so we went for a walk down to the beach, the town them was a bit run down but the main problem arose as we headed to the beach on quite a wide pavement, walking toward a us where 5 young m en walking shoulder to shoulder pushing everyone off onto the road including quite a few elderly. I looked. at. My mate a black belt in judo he nodded yeah let-s so we just piled into them knocking two on their asses and stopped to see their reaction. Our trip down from Cologne had been a long one with little sleep so we where in the mood for a ruck. the reluctant heroes walked away but followed us at a distance until we got back to the starvation where we -rescued- a young Australian backpacker from yet another very annoyingly persistent admirer. We stayed with her until her train arrived then made our way to our platform, we searched. Everywhere for a passport control but. Couldn-t find one so just went to the platform for our nice train. next thing some Italian police idiot is waving his pistol at us, I don-t react well to having a gun pointed at Me so told him either holster it or I will shove it up your arse. He decided on the former then pushed us down numerous corridors until we arrived at a unmarked hatch, which turned out to be the passport control though how you ever know was beyond me, he gave a cursory glance at our passports before waving us on. Thankfully we just made our train because if we had missed it I would have gladly walked to France, all in al it was awful sampling of Italian railways and some of its inhabitants. Our week in Cannes was a paradise in comparison
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-danielparrott8339
Great video as always! The coach you were on was actually more interesting than a UIC-Z. It is a Gran Confort- the first series were built in 1969 and used for Trans Europe Express services. A second series came in the early 70s. Your one was from the final late 80s batch. You can tell the late batch because they have strips along the roof- the earlier ones have smooth roofs. Amazingly, some of the earliest coaches are still running- you would never tell they are over 50 years old, as they have the standard modern interior now. All the 1st class IC coaches are Gran Comforts. Some of the coaches with the vending machines are either Gran Comfort ex-restaurant cars or converted standard 1st class coaches. There were no second class Gran Comfort coaches made, but some were converted as standard 2nd class during the massive IC901 rebuilding project. They don't seem to be around as much any more, but they only have 9 windows, not 11, so keep an eye out (especially for Gran Confort vending machine coaches with 2/1 second class seats. All the rebuilt UIC-Z coaches are second class (even the ex-1st class ones, with 9 windows)- Finally, there are also Eurofima coaches- they look like UIC-Z, but are older. They have bigger windows in the doors and the roof strips stop higher up on the roof. The E414s were taken off high speed as they can only run on 3000v DC. The newer high speed lines were built to 25kv AC, so the later batches of HS locos were dual voltage. It was quite sensible to reuse the original E414s on the 3000v DC classic lines (they can also run on the Direttissima, which is 3000v DC. Hope this train nerding is useful!
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Great video as always! The coach you were on was actually more interesting than a UIC-Z. It is a Gran Confort- the first series were built in 1969 and used for Trans Europe Express services. A second series came in the early 70s. Your one was from the final late 80s batch. You can tell the late batch because they have strips along the roof- the earlier ones have smooth roofs. Amazingly, some of the earliest coaches are still running- you would never tell they are over 50 years old, as they have the standard modern interior now. All the 1st class IC coaches are Gran Comforts. Some of the coaches with the vending machines are either Gran Comfort ex-restaurant cars or converted standard 1st class coaches. There were no second class Gran Comfort coaches made, but some were converted as standard 2nd class during the massive IC901 rebuilding project. They don't seem to be around as much any more, but they only have 9 windows, not 11, so keep an eye out (especially for Gran Confort vending machine coaches with 2/1 second class seats. All the rebuilt UIC-Z coaches are second class (even the ex-1st class ones, with 9 windows)- Finally, there are also Eurofima coaches- they look like UIC-Z, but are older. They have bigger windows in the doors and the roof strips stop higher up on the roof. The E414s were taken off high speed as they can only run on 3000v DC. The newer high speed lines were built to 25kv AC, so the later batches of HS locos were dual voltage. It was quite sensible to reuse the original E414s on the 3000v DC classic lines (they can also run on the Direttissima, which is 3000v DC. Hope this train nerding is useful!
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-sevenadamnineteen
Hi thibault, the video was really nice but I want to correct you on two points:
1) 200km/h is the maximum speed of the Intercity trains, but it's impossible for them to reach this velocity due to the limits on the italian lines.
2) The brand Frecciabianca has been dropped nearly as 4 years old (with the only exception of the trains ETR460 that are still today called Frecciabianca, and all the engines and the carriages has been used for Intercity services.
Moreover I want to say that I have always watched all yours videos dreaming to ride all those trains one day, and in the next days I will go on Interrail and I will use a lot of them, so it's a dream coming true. Thanks for all the effort do you put in yours videos!
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Hi thibault, the video was really nice but I want to correct you on two points:
1) 200km/h is the maximum speed of the Intercity trains, but it's impossible for them to reach this velocity due to the limits on the italian lines.
2) The brand Frecciabianca has been dropped nearly as 4 years old (with the only exception of the trains ETR460 that are still today called Frecciabianca, and all the engines and the carriages has been used for Intercity services.
Moreover I want to say that I have always watched all yours videos dreaming to ride all those trains one day, and in the next days I will go on Interrail and I will use a lot of them, so it's a dream coming true. Thanks for all the effort do you put in yours videos!
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-barvdw
Decent train, too bad there's no staffed bar or dining car, but that's modern railways, I suppose. I'm also a bit torn on the new line along the Ligurian Coast, I understand that it really speeds up things, and increases the capacity from the sinuous single-track line to the current double-track line in tunnel, but I do miss the easy access to quite a few smaller cities along the way.
BTW, while there are only 5 Intercities a day, there are luckily quite a bit more travel possibilities on this line, mostly with only 1 to 2 changes, and not that much slower on Regional trains.
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Decent train, too bad there's no staffed bar or dining car, but that's modern railways, I suppose. I'm also a bit torn on the new line along the Ligurian Coast, I understand that it really speeds up things, and increases the capacity from the sinuous single-track line to the current double-track line in tunnel, but I do miss the easy access to quite a few smaller cities along the way.
BTW, while there are only 5 Intercities a day, there are luckily quite a bit more travel possibilities on this line, mostly with only 1 to 2 changes, and not that much slower on Regional trains.
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-maxeany
7: 20 that line, especially the bit going to La Spezia has a huge history. In a big part of the line due to big waves during winter they had to move the line further from the see. So now if you visit the Cinque Terre and towns around you will see the old railway bridge that now is a barrier from the sea for the city. You can also find rundown tunnels and old station. In the bit from Deiva Marina to Monterosso. Now the old tunnels are some cycle path with also integrated walkways.
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7: 20 that line, especially the bit going to La Spezia has a huge history. In a big part of the line due to big waves during winter they had to move the line further from the see. So now if you visit the Cinque Terre and towns around you will see the old railway bridge that now is a barrier from the sea for the city. You can also find rundown tunnels and old station. In the bit from Deiva Marina to Monterosso. Now the old tunnels are some cycle path with also integrated walkways.
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-drdewott9154
Looks like an alright train but definitely one that needs to run more frequently. Like possibly once per hour even just from looking at those crowd levels.
But it looks alright, ammenities look like they're gonna be on par with what DSB are getting on their new trains back home in Denmark which will run at the same max speed and on routes of a similar length.
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Looks like an alright train but definitely one that needs to run more frequently. Like possibly once per hour even just from looking at those crowd levels.
But it looks alright, ammenities look like they're gonna be on par with what DSB are getting on their new trains back home in Denmark which will run at the same max speed and on routes of a similar length.
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A sidenote, that isn't a Z1 coach, it is a Gran Confort coach (notice the wide gap between the inner and outer glass of the windows, where the curtains used to be, and the patch on the door where a big handle used to be, sadly this particular coach happens to have been revamped but if you catch one with the original interior it is very nice!
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A sidenote, that isn't a Z1 coach, it is a Gran Confort coach (notice the wide gap between the inner and outer glass of the windows, where the curtains used to be, and the patch on the door where a big handle used to be, sadly this particular coach happens to have been revamped but if you catch one with the original interior it is very nice!
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-davidt2362
I always wonder about the cheap prices you show here. You should do more critics to the train services. My latest experiences Milan, Frankfurt, Paris are around the 150 to 300 dollars in over crowded trains. You should show also the problems. I love trains, but I certainly see why the service is still far from being friendly enough
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I always wonder about the cheap prices you show here. You should do more critics to the train services. My latest experiences Milan, Frankfurt, Paris are around the 150 to 300 dollars in over crowded trains. You should show also the problems. I love trains, but I certainly see why the service is still far from being friendly enough
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-kevinellis8869
Bet there's a risk of station delay if the bike nearest the window needs to come out - especially if the owners of the others aren't close. Recently was subject to an 8 minute delay on an EMR service in England when two bikes without reservations had to be removed to allow one with a reservation to get on.
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Bet there's a risk of station delay if the bike nearest the window needs to come out - especially if the owners of the others aren't close. Recently was subject to an 8 minute delay on an EMR service in England when two bikes without reservations had to be removed to allow one with a reservation to get on.
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-kevanhubbard9673
Yes Trenitalia likes it's sub brands but it itself is a sub brand of Ferrovie dello Stato. Trenitalia is the passenger side of the old FS company and Mercitalia the freight side of FS. Up until about 20 years ago the trains were all run with FS livery. I think that now FS is more of a holding company.
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Yes Trenitalia likes it's sub brands but it itself is a sub brand of Ferrovie dello Stato. Trenitalia is the passenger side of the old FS company and Mercitalia the freight side of FS. Up until about 20 years ago the trains were all run with FS livery. I think that now FS is more of a holding company.
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-maxeany
12: 50 unfortunately Trenitalia can-t add more trains because of the line capacity. The line is one of the most busy in Italy with various regional trains, intercity trains, freccie trains and freight trains. And they can-t double the line for obvious reasons. They just don-t have the space for more trains
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12: 50 unfortunately Trenitalia can-t add more trains because of the line capacity. The line is one of the most busy in Italy with various regional trains, intercity trains, freccie trains and freight trains. And they can-t double the line for obvious reasons. They just don-t have the space for more trains
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-dennisud
From my extended family and some DNA testing, My Mother's side came from the Po, Italy area.
A question, when you have a 2 engine set like this, do both engines run while the train is moving?
The sea views and towns remind me so much of Valpariso, Vina Del Mar & La Serena, Chile!
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From my extended family and some DNA testing, My Mother's side came from the Po, Italy area.
A question, when you have a 2 engine set like this, do both engines run while the train is moving?
The sea views and towns remind me so much of Valpariso, Vina Del Mar & La Serena, Chile!
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-maxeany
I just love this train. Living in Milan and going to the sea near Levanto( a stop of the train going instead towards Livorno ) I use this train a lot. This summer for every weekend it has been full! I think that the route to Livorno is more relevant that the one to Ventimiglia
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I just love this train. Living in Milan and going to the sea near Levanto( a stop of the train going instead towards Livorno ) I use this train a lot. This summer for every weekend it has been full! I think that the route to Livorno is more relevant that the one to Ventimiglia
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-ilgattooo
There is lot of room for luggage on traditional coaches like that (uic-z/gran confort/eurofima-) but often people is too lazy and selfish to put the luggage where they belong i. e. above their heads and in the shelves at coach ends so they leave their stuff in the aisle.
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There is lot of room for luggage on traditional coaches like that (uic-z/gran confort/eurofima-) but often people is too lazy and selfish to put the luggage where they belong i. e. above their heads and in the shelves at coach ends so they leave their stuff in the aisle.
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-antman2919
Thanks for video, very informative. Just one question when the train changes direction in Genova does that mean that you will be on the opposite side in direction of travel? So if you want to see the sea views you should book on right side of train leaving Milan. Thanks.
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Thanks for video, very informative. Just one question when the train changes direction in Genova does that mean that you will be on the opposite side in direction of travel? So if you want to see the sea views you should book on right side of train leaving Milan. Thanks.
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-charlesbaran1106
Interesting point about white paint protecting the rails from heating up too much (at 6: 00. Maybe that low-tech solution would help in the U. S, where freight railroads make passenger trains slow down in very hot weather.
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Interesting point about white paint protecting the rails from heating up too much (at 6: 00. Maybe that low-tech solution would help in the U. S, where freight railroads make passenger trains slow down in very hot weather.
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-imsbvs
I see level boarding is still a pipe dream at Milano. some years ago on the service Chambery - Milano (from Paris) one pasenger found the step down off the train was so steep they nearly fell off whilst alighting!
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I see level boarding is still a pipe dream at Milano. some years ago on the service Chambery - Milano (from Paris) one pasenger found the step down off the train was so steep they nearly fell off whilst alighting!
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-gabri_maybe
A small correction:
Genova Piazza Principe is actually a through station, but as you can probably guess Genova is a important city to serve, so trains stop there and reverse direction towards Ventimiglia
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A small correction:
Genova Piazza Principe is actually a through station, but as you can probably guess Genova is a important city to serve, so trains stop there and reverse direction towards Ventimiglia
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-Zomerset
Other than the views, this experience is similar to the UK. Trenitalia have learnt a lot from their time in the UK. Overcrowded, infrequent trains with very little luggage storage and no functioning toilet.
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Other than the views, this experience is similar to the UK. Trenitalia have learnt a lot from their time in the UK. Overcrowded, infrequent trains with very little luggage storage and no functioning toilet.
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-maxart3392
I always wondered why FS doesn't use Pendolinos for IC service on this particular line, which in most of the stretches is very curved. They would shave off considerable amount of travel time.
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I always wondered why FS doesn't use Pendolinos for IC service on this particular line, which in most of the stretches is very curved. They would shave off considerable amount of travel time.
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-ismaeltch5999
as an italian, i never went into an intericity with working AC or Bathroom facilities, even lights some times.
Also, we just got some new hybdrid regional trains, might give it a try?
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as an italian, i never went into an intericity with working AC or Bathroom facilities, even lights some times.
Also, we just got some new hybdrid regional trains, might give it a try?
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-tim. bird. london
Thanks for this review and particularly the shots of the bicycle storage area as I plan on using this service in October with my bike. As always, great production. Cheers, Tim.
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Thanks for this review and particularly the shots of the bicycle storage area as I plan on using this service in October with my bike. As always, great production. Cheers, Tim.
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-PeterFriedrich19
I always loved the old ETR500s with their big windshields.
Unfortunately my biggest problem with train travel is the fact that most trains aren't big luggage friendly. :/
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I always loved the old ETR500s with their big windshields.
Unfortunately my biggest problem with train travel is the fact that most trains aren't big luggage friendly. :/
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-carlosalientes151
We rode this train earlier this year and my main complaint is the lack of luggage racks in each carriage. As a result, people just parked their luggage in the center aisle.
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We rode this train earlier this year and my main complaint is the lack of luggage racks in each carriage. As a result, people just parked their luggage in the center aisle.
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-AndrewG1989
Italy is such a fabulous country in Europe and they do have the best trains. Can you still get a high speed train that goes to Monaco from France and Italy.
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Italy is such a fabulous country in Europe and they do have the best trains. Can you still get a high speed train that goes to Monaco from France and Italy.
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-mince-raft7368
Can you call this train a high speed train, not even averaging 100 km/h? But props on Trenitalia for the ride quality and the scenery!
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Can you call this train a high speed train, not even averaging 100 km/h? But props on Trenitalia for the ride quality and the scenery!
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-A-NEO-ns4hs
Impressive and beautiful landscapes
The Italian intercity is one of the best intercity product in Europe!
All in all nice video!
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Impressive and beautiful landscapes
The Italian intercity is one of the best intercity product in Europe!
All in all nice video!
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-SeverityOne
It's probably fair to say that the entire Mediterranean region is incredibly beautiful. And not just because I happen to live there. -
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It's probably fair to say that the entire Mediterranean region is incredibly beautiful. And not just because I happen to live there. -
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-reddust8649
How was the pressure on the ear drums? I can see a sucked in water bottle at5. 30. It looks like the effect of tunnel pressure waves.
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How was the pressure on the ear drums? I can see a sucked in water bottle at5. 30. It looks like the effect of tunnel pressure waves.
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-maxeany
2: 30 Note. You still find services of Frecciabianca and Frecciargento trains. For example Rome-Genoa or on the Adriatic coast
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2: 30 Note. You still find services of Frecciabianca and Frecciargento trains. For example Rome-Genoa or on the Adriatic coast
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-PtrkHrnk
It's nice to see a busy train, if maybe not as comfortable. What I hate however, is people who can't manage their luggage!
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It's nice to see a busy train, if maybe not as comfortable. What I hate however, is people who can't manage their luggage!
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-beachnmountains
A bit cramped. I would probably rent a car and drive the route or maybe a bus if they are spacious at all
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A bit cramped. I would probably rent a car and drive the route or maybe a bus if they are spacious at all
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-trainlagged
Hey, the night train at Genova looks like the IC from Reggio Calabria to Torino (794! Great video: )
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Hey, the night train at Genova looks like the IC from Reggio Calabria to Torino (794! Great video: )
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-timnewman1172
That looked almost like a human cattle car, what a busy train! Thanks for sharing, Thibault!
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That looked almost like a human cattle car, what a busy train! Thanks for sharing, Thibault!
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-danielconrad399
The beautiful sea. Another excellent video in your 'classic' format. Thank you Thibault.
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The beautiful sea. Another excellent video in your 'classic' format. Thank you Thibault.
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