B580 Review: Mainstream Ready!
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Date: 2024-12-17
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paulboyce8537
00:05:48 Test machine specs. Every review makes this mistake apples to oranges mistake. AMD CPU doesn't give the best result for INTEL ARC. Reason for this is different architecture. AMD/Nvidia GPU with REBAR/E Cores -5% zero zilch nada gain. INTEL ARC with REBAR/E Cores 30% gain optimized for INTEL CPU (hence Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool). INTEL ARC is as good as the CPU paired. Better CPU pairing and better performance from splitting the tasks with CPU. To understand that AMD/Nvidia CPU only feeds the GPU to do all the tasks with queuing and waiting that results to broken frames. So good INTEL CPU for INTEL GPU and AMD CPU for AMD/Nvidia GPU.
When you understand the two different architectures you also know how misleading these tests are. As a rule INTEL all good frames vs double the frames but half broken hence high Wattage to replace the broken frames that can be half if not over and this causes stutter and bad experience from AMD/Nvidia GPU. At the end these tests are worthless. Comparing the experience matters. For example at 4k A770 beats 4070ti with half the frames.
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00:05:48 Test machine specs. Every review makes this mistake apples to oranges mistake. AMD CPU doesn't give the best result for INTEL ARC. Reason for this is different architecture. AMD/Nvidia GPU with REBAR/E Cores -5% zero zilch nada gain. INTEL ARC with REBAR/E Cores 30% gain optimized for INTEL CPU (hence Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool). INTEL ARC is as good as the CPU paired. Better CPU pairing and better performance from splitting the tasks with CPU. To understand that AMD/Nvidia CPU only feeds the GPU to do all the tasks with queuing and waiting that results to broken frames. So good INTEL CPU for INTEL GPU and AMD CPU for AMD/Nvidia GPU.
When you understand the two different architectures you also know how misleading these tests are. As a rule INTEL all good frames vs double the frames but half broken hence high Wattage to replace the broken frames that can be half if not over and this causes stutter and bad experience from AMD/Nvidia GPU. At the end these tests are worthless. Comparing the experience matters. For example at 4k A770 beats 4070ti with half the frames.
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robertlawrence9000
I wish they would release a B990. We need more high end cards. The low end GPU market is flooded already with new cards and used cards from previous generations with multiple price choices. Even as is the $250 B580 is sold out on many sites and board partner cards are $100 to $200 more, completely defeating the purpose of a $250 card. Intel really should be aiming higher. There is only 1 high tier card right now and we all know which one that is. Imagine if they released a massive card to compete with the RTX 4090 or a potential RTX 5090. That would really get people talking and people might be more eager to get their high end GPU if they could make it compete performance to price vs the competition. Even generations later, people would still be thinking about getting the older higher end card as the prices go down and it competes in the lower end some years down the road. I think this is a better strategy.
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I wish they would release a B990. We need more high end cards. The low end GPU market is flooded already with new cards and used cards from previous generations with multiple price choices. Even as is the $250 B580 is sold out on many sites and board partner cards are $100 to $200 more, completely defeating the purpose of a $250 card. Intel really should be aiming higher. There is only 1 high tier card right now and we all know which one that is. Imagine if they released a massive card to compete with the RTX 4090 or a potential RTX 5090. That would really get people talking and people might be more eager to get their high end GPU if they could make it compete performance to price vs the competition. Even generations later, people would still be thinking about getting the older higher end card as the prices go down and it competes in the lower end some years down the road. I think this is a better strategy.
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marcasswellbmd6922
I am still using an ASRock PG B550 Velocita, 5900X, and the Great 6800XT. That 16gigs has been more than enough. My God that GPU has future proofed me to this day.. Yeah Yeah I know there are way faster cards out now.. But that XFX 6800XT has held me down at 4k 60 FPS gaming and even higher frames in most games. Like I just played Hogwarts last night above 60 FPS on high settings in 4K.. And forget about it for 2K this card still crushes 1440P gaming.. AMD does truly give people more for their money.. And AM4 is still the gift that keeps on giving to me.. I am do for a new build though it's been 7ish years but honestly I can see myself getting by on this set up for another 5/6 years.. IDK...
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I am still using an ASRock PG B550 Velocita, 5900X, and the Great 6800XT. That 16gigs has been more than enough. My God that GPU has future proofed me to this day.. Yeah Yeah I know there are way faster cards out now.. But that XFX 6800XT has held me down at 4k 60 FPS gaming and even higher frames in most games. Like I just played Hogwarts last night above 60 FPS on high settings in 4K.. And forget about it for 2K this card still crushes 1440P gaming.. AMD does truly give people more for their money.. And AM4 is still the gift that keeps on giving to me.. I am do for a new build though it's been 7ish years but honestly I can see myself getting by on this set up for another 5/6 years.. IDK...
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AlexSchendel
I've enjoyed my time with my A750 and A770 (I'm an Intel employee, so the discounts are too good to pass up). I have not had any real issues with game compatibility, and driver updates have helped a lot. My biggest gripe has been the fact that VR is not supported and so you have to jump through a lot of hoops to get it working at all... I just don't want to have to do that to use my headset. I really hope that now that the drivers are in a good spot and Battlemage is out the door, in a much better spot than at launch, the drivers team can pivot to addressing the lack of VR support. Native support for SteamVR and Oculus Link are sorely needed.
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I've enjoyed my time with my A750 and A770 (I'm an Intel employee, so the discounts are too good to pass up). I have not had any real issues with game compatibility, and driver updates have helped a lot. My biggest gripe has been the fact that VR is not supported and so you have to jump through a lot of hoops to get it working at all... I just don't want to have to do that to use my headset. I really hope that now that the drivers are in a good spot and Battlemage is out the door, in a much better spot than at launch, the drivers team can pivot to addressing the lack of VR support. Native support for SteamVR and Oculus Link are sorely needed.
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burnitdwn
Hah, I recently grabbed a used 1080TI for my wife's PC. It was about $135 on ebay shipping and sales tax brought it to around $165 here. I was going to just install my Radeon 6800 in her PC, but waiting for a better $500 GPU. I was tempted to pull the trigger when the 7900GRE hit $499 a while back, and was tempted by $620 7900XT, but, i am not in a rush.
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Hah, I recently grabbed a used 1080TI for my wife's PC. It was about $135 on ebay shipping and sales tax brought it to around $165 here. I was going to just install my Radeon 6800 in her PC, but waiting for a better $500 GPU. I was tempted to pull the trigger when the 7900GRE hit $499 a while back, and was tempted by $620 7900XT, but, i am not in a rush.
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kazuviking
Small correction. Intel cross vendor locked the DP4A path to their integrated/dedicated gpus in late 2022. Everyone else can use the Shader Model 6.4 path which is considerably worse than DP4A in performance, image quality wise the same. FLOAT16 vs INT8.
Any XeSS version released after 2022 have the DP4A path locked so only DX12 Shader Model 6.4 is available.
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Small correction. Intel cross vendor locked the DP4A path to their integrated/dedicated gpus in late 2022. Everyone else can use the Shader Model 6.4 path which is considerably worse than DP4A in performance, image quality wise the same. FLOAT16 vs INT8.
Any XeSS version released after 2022 have the DP4A path locked so only DX12 Shader Model 6.4 is available.
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BarisYener
I used my Intel ARC A750 with new Windows11 Install, putting in a NVIDIA GPU and then back to A750 and had the same issue with the Puget Davinci Benchmark. I guess thats someting Driver/Windows related. Before the NVIDIA GPU was installed there was no problem with runing the Davinci Standard Benchmark, but the extended one couldn't be finished.
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I used my Intel ARC A750 with new Windows11 Install, putting in a NVIDIA GPU and then back to A750 and had the same issue with the Puget Davinci Benchmark. I guess thats someting Driver/Windows related. Before the NVIDIA GPU was installed there was no problem with runing the Davinci Standard Benchmark, but the extended one couldn't be finished.
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AlexSchendel
GN had similar idle power issues, but Level1 got idle power at 7.5 to 13W depending on monitor refresh rate. I'm curious about settings related to:
- What is the monitor setup between reviewers (resolution and multi-monitor or not)
- What are the BIOS and Windows ASPM settings
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GN had similar idle power issues, but Level1 got idle power at 7.5 to 13W depending on monitor refresh rate. I'm curious about settings related to:
- What is the monitor setup between reviewers (resolution and multi-monitor or not)
- What are the BIOS and Windows ASPM settings
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ScottGrammer
The issue with DaVinci Resolve is concerning to me as that is a use case I had planned on. Hardware Canucks tested it with Resolve, but they just rendered an edited video with it. In that test, it did better than the 4060, but not as well as the A-series cards.
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The issue with DaVinci Resolve is concerning to me as that is a use case I had planned on. Hardware Canucks tested it with Resolve, but they just rendered an edited video with it. In that test, it did better than the 4060, but not as well as the A-series cards.
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lavi688
For a $200 (current value) 1080ti, says how good the card was and is and will always remain Nvidia's GOAT. Its keeping up with the B580 and even beats it in one of the tests. Not worth 'side-grading' to a B580 if you have a 1080TI for better 1% lows.
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For a $200 (current value) 1080ti, says how good the card was and is and will always remain Nvidia's GOAT. Its keeping up with the B580 and even beats it in one of the tests. Not worth 'side-grading' to a B580 if you have a 1080TI for better 1% lows.
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allxtend4005
strange cards you are testing against, why did not pick the RTX 3060 ti 12gb version why did not pick the Rx 6700xt why test it agaisnt the A750 and not against the A770 Why is there a 1080ti and you test RT so many questions.
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strange cards you are testing against, why did not pick the RTX 3060 ti 12gb version why did not pick the Rx 6700xt why test it agaisnt the A750 and not against the A770 Why is there a 1080ti and you test RT so many questions.
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pastelink6767
So they caught up to this gen with a bigger die on a smaller node right before next gen is about to ship from AMD and Nvidia Doesn't sound competitive to me unless Intel is willing to take the L for possible long term gains.
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So they caught up to this gen with a bigger die on a smaller node right before next gen is about to ship from AMD and Nvidia Doesn't sound competitive to me unless Intel is willing to take the L for possible long term gains.
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SecretlySeven
Looking at my A-770 I feel like Intel owes us early adopters a special discount for a B series card. I feel like if they stayed on the Alchemist cards longer we'd be in a better place. I'm still dealing with issues in games.
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Looking at my A-770 I feel like Intel owes us early adopters a special discount for a B series card. I feel like if they stayed on the Alchemist cards longer we'd be in a better place. I'm still dealing with issues in games.
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TheGanntak
Looks a really nice card for the price and the fact they aimed at 1440p is awesome as thats a huge market. Im in awe of that 1080 though its neck and neck with the 3060 on most and the 4060 on some games very impressive card.
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Looks a really nice card for the price and the fact they aimed at 1440p is awesome as thats a huge market. Im in awe of that 1080 though its neck and neck with the 3060 on most and the 4060 on some games very impressive card.
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4brotroydavis
Currently have a 5700xt and aoon upgrading to a 1440p monitor. I think the 5700 can hold up long enuff until we get hard truth about whats coming next. But if i can find this card for 270 still in stock ill grab her
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Currently have a 5700xt and aoon upgrading to a 1440p monitor. I think the 5700 can hold up long enuff until we get hard truth about whats coming next. But if i can find this card for 270 still in stock ill grab her
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Veptis
Would be a lot of fun to profile the games and jump into the pipeline and calls to see what's going on but I don't think that is easy to explain to your audience. Any idea where such content exists, if at all
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Would be a lot of fun to profile the games and jump into the pipeline and calls to see what's going on but I don't think that is easy to explain to your audience. Any idea where such content exists, if at all
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laz7777
I'm hoping they release a mid or high end competitor. A B770 would be an immediate buy for me. For now I'll probably have to settle for whatever AMD releases asduming they dont raise their prices this gen.
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I'm hoping they release a mid or high end competitor. A B770 would be an immediate buy for me. For now I'll probably have to settle for whatever AMD releases asduming they dont raise their prices this gen.
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gameingHyenia
Bench mark is your EYES and ears not data on a screen ,When you go down the FPS and Data on a screen you are always going to see things that do not effect your Gameplay. Eyes and Ears people.
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Bench mark is your EYES and ears not data on a screen ,When you go down the FPS and Data on a screen you are always going to see things that do not effect your Gameplay. Eyes and Ears people.
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AshrafAliS
Sorting those numbers would be easier for viewers, because we need to check which is doing good, now we need to check all the numbers to check which is good, if it's sorted we can check top 2 or 3.
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Sorting those numbers would be easier for viewers, because we need to check which is doing good, now we need to check all the numbers to check which is good, if it's sorted we can check top 2 or 3.
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matthiasmartin4355
Unfortunately testing from websites like computerbase has found the B580 is struggling across pretty much all Unreal Engine 5 games. Hopefully Intel can improve that via a driver update.
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Unfortunately testing from websites like computerbase has found the B580 is struggling across pretty much all Unreal Engine 5 games. Hopefully Intel can improve that via a driver update.
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