Tiger Lake details, RTX 30 series revealed, Q&A - The Full Nerd ep. 149
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Date: 2022-03-15
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Here are prices from recent launches.
GeForce GTX 970 September 18, 2014 $329-
GeForce GTX 980 September 18, 2014 $549-
GeForce GTX 980 Ti June 1, 2015 $649-
GeForce GTX TITAN X March 17, 2015 $999-
GeForce GTX 1070 10 June 2016 $379-
GeForce GTX 1080 May 27, 2016 STD $599 Founder $699-
GeForce GTX 1080 Ti March 5, 2017 $699-
Nvidia TITAN X August 2, 2016 $1199-
GeForce RTX 2070 October 17, 2018 STD $499 Founder $599-
GeForce RTX 2070 Super July 9, 2019 $499-
GeForce RTX 2080 September 20, 2018 STD $699 Founder $799-
GeForce RTX 2080 Super July 23, 2019 $699-
GeForce RTX 2080 Ti September 27, 2018 STD $999 Founder $1199-
Nvidia TITAN RTX December 18, 2018 $2, 499-
GeForce RTX 3070 October 2020 $499-
GeForce RTX 3080 September 17, 2020 $699-
GeForce RTX 3090 September 24, 2020 $1499
Keep in mind according to Steam there are 3. 89% of Steam users are on a 1080/80ti series card and only 2. 52% are on 2080/80s/80ti series cards. maybe Nvidia is pricing itself out of the market. considering the 1060 still has 11. 21% of the steam users on it, even the RX 580/90 series cards have a larger steam user segment (2. 75%) than the 2080/s/ti cards, so. $150 to $349 is the average user's budget/sweet spot for gpu's.
Here are the Steam reported top gpu's as of 09/01/20:
GTX 1060 11. 21%-
GTX 1050Ti 7. 97%-
GTX 1050 5. 04%-
GTX 1070 3. 92%-
GTX 1650 3. 04%-
GTX 1660Ti 2. 57%-
RTX 2060 2. 47%-
GTX 1080 2. 37%-
RX 580 2. 08%
GTX 970 1. 91%
Note there is only 1 card even capable of ray tracing in the list and the MSRP was $349 or under on all but one card (1080 - $599 MSRP. even if you look at the top 20 cards it only has 4 RTX capable cards and all four of them are 2060/70 series. again, $150 to $349 is the average user's budget/sweet spot for gpu's.
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Here are prices from recent launches.
GeForce GTX 970 September 18, 2014 $329-
GeForce GTX 980 September 18, 2014 $549-
GeForce GTX 980 Ti June 1, 2015 $649-
GeForce GTX TITAN X March 17, 2015 $999-
GeForce GTX 1070 10 June 2016 $379-
GeForce GTX 1080 May 27, 2016 STD $599 Founder $699-
GeForce GTX 1080 Ti March 5, 2017 $699-
Nvidia TITAN X August 2, 2016 $1199-
GeForce RTX 2070 October 17, 2018 STD $499 Founder $599-
GeForce RTX 2070 Super July 9, 2019 $499-
GeForce RTX 2080 September 20, 2018 STD $699 Founder $799-
GeForce RTX 2080 Super July 23, 2019 $699-
GeForce RTX 2080 Ti September 27, 2018 STD $999 Founder $1199-
Nvidia TITAN RTX December 18, 2018 $2, 499-
GeForce RTX 3070 October 2020 $499-
GeForce RTX 3080 September 17, 2020 $699-
GeForce RTX 3090 September 24, 2020 $1499
Keep in mind according to Steam there are 3. 89% of Steam users are on a 1080/80ti series card and only 2. 52% are on 2080/80s/80ti series cards. maybe Nvidia is pricing itself out of the market. considering the 1060 still has 11. 21% of the steam users on it, even the RX 580/90 series cards have a larger steam user segment (2. 75%) than the 2080/s/ti cards, so. $150 to $349 is the average user's budget/sweet spot for gpu's.
Here are the Steam reported top gpu's as of 09/01/20:
GTX 1060 11. 21%-
GTX 1050Ti 7. 97%-
GTX 1050 5. 04%-
GTX 1070 3. 92%-
GTX 1650 3. 04%-
GTX 1660Ti 2. 57%-
RTX 2060 2. 47%-
GTX 1080 2. 37%-
RX 580 2. 08%
GTX 970 1. 91%
Note there is only 1 card even capable of ray tracing in the list and the MSRP was $349 or under on all but one card (1080 - $599 MSRP. even if you look at the top 20 cards it only has 4 RTX capable cards and all four of them are 2060/70 series. again, $150 to $349 is the average user's budget/sweet spot for gpu's.
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grizzlee
See that is the thing, while I hate the price hikes too, the classes have shifted up as you say. I used to say the same thing, I gotta pay how much for a 70 series card? But you guys and another YTer both said, look at what you need to run new games on your monitor at high or ultra, etc. Most of us are still 1080p or 1440p. And I never wanted to 4K game even before prices crept up. I just migrated to 1440p as soon as it was reasonable. So as you said, you need to look at cards like this:
- 3090 creator and 8k gaming card
- 3080 4k high refresh rate gaming card
- 3070 1440p high refresh rare, overkill as you said, (4k 60Hz? Yay or Nay)
- 3060 1080p high refresh rate on high or ultra? TBD?
I am looking at 3070 unless 3060 can do 1440p, high refresh rate, ultra or very high, on an ultrawide?
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See that is the thing, while I hate the price hikes too, the classes have shifted up as you say. I used to say the same thing, I gotta pay how much for a 70 series card? But you guys and another YTer both said, look at what you need to run new games on your monitor at high or ultra, etc. Most of us are still 1080p or 1440p. And I never wanted to 4K game even before prices crept up. I just migrated to 1440p as soon as it was reasonable. So as you said, you need to look at cards like this:
- 3090 creator and 8k gaming card
- 3080 4k high refresh rate gaming card
- 3070 1440p high refresh rare, overkill as you said, (4k 60Hz? Yay or Nay)
- 3060 1080p high refresh rate on high or ultra? TBD?
I am looking at 3070 unless 3060 can do 1440p, high refresh rate, ultra or very high, on an ultrawide?
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Chris
2080 Ti was and is $1200 because Nvidia allowed it. knowing what they were going to do all along. But they milk it for as long as they wanted knowing they would release the 3070 eventually. LOL I sold mine about 2 months to a Red Hat employee for $650 who started working from home. Used that money towards my LG OLED. LOL. I'll be waiting on benchmarks from non-bais reviewers I trust and seeing what NAVI has to offer before I make a purchase but I'm loving what the 3080 has to offer for the money even if they release a 3080ti later. The beauty of been decently employed, you can wait until you're ready and no rush, but you can also get what you want when you want to.
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2080 Ti was and is $1200 because Nvidia allowed it. knowing what they were going to do all along. But they milk it for as long as they wanted knowing they would release the 3070 eventually. LOL I sold mine about 2 months to a Red Hat employee for $650 who started working from home. Used that money towards my LG OLED. LOL. I'll be waiting on benchmarks from non-bais reviewers I trust and seeing what NAVI has to offer before I make a purchase but I'm loving what the 3080 has to offer for the money even if they release a 3080ti later. The beauty of been decently employed, you can wait until you're ready and no rush, but you can also get what you want when you want to.
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Lotus
Brad and Adam are getting a bit ahead of themselves. Everything looks exciting, but sober up. Nvidia is fighting for their market, the pc, first gen was a mining craze artifact, like radeon vii, these cards are much better value, fighting to keep pc alive, the margins on these cards must be pretty small, massive dies. I can see amd keep avoiding to waste 7nm wafers on gpu's as they make more money from the far smaller cpu's
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Brad and Adam are getting a bit ahead of themselves. Everything looks exciting, but sober up. Nvidia is fighting for their market, the pc, first gen was a mining craze artifact, like radeon vii, these cards are much better value, fighting to keep pc alive, the margins on these cards must be pretty small, massive dies. I can see amd keep avoiding to waste 7nm wafers on gpu's as they make more money from the far smaller cpu's
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Leggir
Console users don't care about the performance delta VS gaming PC. 99% of console users have 60 fps limited TV's. Owning a console is about a great, turn it on, and play the latest game experience. No drivers, no forced updates in the middle of the game, no fiddle-f##king with Windows scaling issues. Anyone can have a great experience. Latest consoles step up the graphic fidelity.
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Console users don't care about the performance delta VS gaming PC. 99% of console users have 60 fps limited TV's. Owning a console is about a great, turn it on, and play the latest game experience. No drivers, no forced updates in the middle of the game, no fiddle-f##king with Windows scaling issues. Anyone can have a great experience. Latest consoles step up the graphic fidelity.
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grizzlee
They got hate because we all knew if the 2080 Ti sold well, then prices would never go back down for the rest of us. And that is what happened. I personally didn't hate on them, but their were many who were saying on YT, -Vote with your wallet! Don't buy it until prices come down! -. But no one listened. And some of the people saying this definitely could afford to buy them.
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They got hate because we all knew if the 2080 Ti sold well, then prices would never go back down for the rest of us. And that is what happened. I personally didn't hate on them, but their were many who were saying on YT, -Vote with your wallet! Don't buy it until prices come down! -. But no one listened. And some of the people saying this definitely could afford to buy them.
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Lex
I sold my 2080ti so I am not going to wait god knows how long for a 3080ti (if it even will exist. I-m going to go with the 3080. The 3080 has exactly DOUBLE the cuda cores as the 2080ti. It has to be a noticeable jump. I noticed a jump coming from the 1080ti and that was only about a 700ish cuda core jump. Think about that. 700ish to 4352 cuda jump!
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I sold my 2080ti so I am not going to wait god knows how long for a 3080ti (if it even will exist. I-m going to go with the 3080. The 3080 has exactly DOUBLE the cuda cores as the 2080ti. It has to be a noticeable jump. I noticed a jump coming from the 1080ti and that was only about a 700ish cuda core jump. Think about that. 700ish to 4352 cuda jump!
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Blargh
IIRC a few of Gamers Nexus' case reviews had configurations (bottom intake with top exhaust was one, the rare side-panel intake was another) that displaced hot air from the GPU into the CPU's cooler, resulting in a 2-3 degree increase in CPU temps. I can't really see Nvidia's new cooler design being much worse than that.
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IIRC a few of Gamers Nexus' case reviews had configurations (bottom intake with top exhaust was one, the rare side-panel intake was another) that displaced hot air from the GPU into the CPU's cooler, resulting in a 2-3 degree increase in CPU temps. I can't really see Nvidia's new cooler design being much worse than that.
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ApplePotato
RTX IO sounds kinda like a DMA controller. In the sense that the CPU will initiate the texture/info transfer from your hard drive directly to GPU ram. The CPU and system ram will not need to be involve for the duration of the transfer. Looks like tensor cores can also be used to decompress the texture for you.
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RTX IO sounds kinda like a DMA controller. In the sense that the CPU will initiate the texture/info transfer from your hard drive directly to GPU ram. The CPU and system ram will not need to be involve for the duration of the transfer. Looks like tensor cores can also be used to decompress the texture for you.
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Yamil
We'll have to see what AMD has to offer. Hopefully they can compete, at least with the RTX 3080. I doubt they'll come close to the RTX 3090, but I wouldn't buy such an expensive card anyway ($1500 sounds insane, so it doesn't really matter to me. I'd love to see the RTX 3060 or AMD's equivalent.
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We'll have to see what AMD has to offer. Hopefully they can compete, at least with the RTX 3080. I doubt they'll come close to the RTX 3090, but I wouldn't buy such an expensive card anyway ($1500 sounds insane, so it doesn't really matter to me. I'd love to see the RTX 3060 or AMD's equivalent.
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