The Age of the Introvert DistroTube
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Date: 2022-03-30
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Oneirophon
I don't know if anyone will see this comment since most of the comments on this video are a year old, but I have it address a serious issue with this video... You're fighting back against harmful stereotypes of introverts by spreading the -exact same- sort of harmful stereotypes of extroverts.
You say that it's a myth that introverts can't succeed in socially-oriented fields, then turn right around and say that extroverts can't succeed in solitary fields. I'm an extroverted network engineering student and power user right now working on installing Arch Linux, and I'm exactly the sort of technically-minded person that fits right in in tech fields. The fact that I'm am extrovert just means I have to spend time friends to charge my batteries after a long day of solitary work, just like you need to spend time alone to recharge after a shift in your retail job.
When I was learning to draw as a teenager, it was really common to hear people in the art community saying that introverts are better artists, and while their intentions were to encourage introverts by telling them their introversion was their superpower, they didn't seem to have stopped to think about how their words would affect extroverted artists; it made me feel like I should just quit, because apparently, the way my brain is wired has doomed me to be an inferior artist. I eventually came to realize that was as wrong as saying that introverts can't have social lives, but I'd bet a lot of young and impressionable extroverts who could have been amazing gave up on their dreams because someone told them their brain structure meant they could never be as good as their introverted peers.
This video sends the same dream-crushing message to young, extroverted tech geeks, so even though this video was well-intentioned, I believe it will do much more harm than good. DT, if you see this comment, I would humbly ask that you do a followup video on this topic, if you haven't already.
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I don't know if anyone will see this comment since most of the comments on this video are a year old, but I have it address a serious issue with this video... You're fighting back against harmful stereotypes of introverts by spreading the -exact same- sort of harmful stereotypes of extroverts.
You say that it's a myth that introverts can't succeed in socially-oriented fields, then turn right around and say that extroverts can't succeed in solitary fields. I'm an extroverted network engineering student and power user right now working on installing Arch Linux, and I'm exactly the sort of technically-minded person that fits right in in tech fields. The fact that I'm am extrovert just means I have to spend time friends to charge my batteries after a long day of solitary work, just like you need to spend time alone to recharge after a shift in your retail job.
When I was learning to draw as a teenager, it was really common to hear people in the art community saying that introverts are better artists, and while their intentions were to encourage introverts by telling them their introversion was their superpower, they didn't seem to have stopped to think about how their words would affect extroverted artists; it made me feel like I should just quit, because apparently, the way my brain is wired has doomed me to be an inferior artist. I eventually came to realize that was as wrong as saying that introverts can't have social lives, but I'd bet a lot of young and impressionable extroverts who could have been amazing gave up on their dreams because someone told them their brain structure meant they could never be as good as their introverted peers.
This video sends the same dream-crushing message to young, extroverted tech geeks, so even though this video was well-intentioned, I believe it will do much more harm than good. DT, if you see this comment, I would humbly ask that you do a followup video on this topic, if you haven't already.
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Birger
Harvard actually did a study on sales and marketing people and on which type of personality performs better in the long run. The conclusion was that introverts on average closed roughly 30% more sales in the long run. The reason being that introverts are following the golden rule of selling, meaning they ask questions and let the prospects do most of the talking. It builds rapport and trust on a deeper level and makes the prospects more likely to be closed since they see the introverts as trustworthy while the extroverts are the usual sleezy and pushy type sales people.
The introverts were the slow starters, trying to understand the needs of their prospects, the field and the competition. The extroverts jumped in head first, made a lot of sales early but eventually got left behind the introverts. Also the retention was much higher for the introverts because they had already established a solid relationship with their clients and could easily make people stay as their clients while the extroverts had problem keeping clients long term because of them usually over-promising and under-delivery.
So if a company is recruiting sales people and they're asking for -social people- or -extroverted people-, just ignore them. They don't understand sales or what makes a good sales person.
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Harvard actually did a study on sales and marketing people and on which type of personality performs better in the long run. The conclusion was that introverts on average closed roughly 30% more sales in the long run. The reason being that introverts are following the golden rule of selling, meaning they ask questions and let the prospects do most of the talking. It builds rapport and trust on a deeper level and makes the prospects more likely to be closed since they see the introverts as trustworthy while the extroverts are the usual sleezy and pushy type sales people.
The introverts were the slow starters, trying to understand the needs of their prospects, the field and the competition. The extroverts jumped in head first, made a lot of sales early but eventually got left behind the introverts. Also the retention was much higher for the introverts because they had already established a solid relationship with their clients and could easily make people stay as their clients while the extroverts had problem keeping clients long term because of them usually over-promising and under-delivery.
So if a company is recruiting sales people and they're asking for -social people- or -extroverted people-, just ignore them. They don't understand sales or what makes a good sales person.
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mariolis1000
Psychologically the Introversion-extroversion axis has nothing to do with geekiness... the MBTI typology (based on the research of Carl Jung on cognitive functions)
Has 4 axis : Introversion vs Extroversion , Intuitiveness vs Sensing, Thinking vs Feeling and Judging vs Perceiving... geekiness is usually related to intuitive thinking people, and often many -geeks- are perceiving types but not all of them ... extroversion and introversion might seem to matter but it is juast that introverted intuitive thinking perceivers (INTPs for short) are more common than their extroverted counterpart (ENTPs)
Just because someone is extroverted also does not mean they love parties and -fun- that -love- for superficial stuff and not intellectual is usually the sensing types... while intuitives seek pleasure in intellect , sensors seek physical or material pleasure
This is getting long... but it is very dissapointing as an extroverted -geek- and also your fan to see that you have this unscientific stereotype that puts all extroverts and introverts in the same bag (also for the same reasons i talked above , many introverts are NOT into geek culture, geek culture sure seems -introverted- but in reality it is not that simple)
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Psychologically the Introversion-extroversion axis has nothing to do with geekiness... the MBTI typology (based on the research of Carl Jung on cognitive functions)
Has 4 axis : Introversion vs Extroversion , Intuitiveness vs Sensing, Thinking vs Feeling and Judging vs Perceiving... geekiness is usually related to intuitive thinking people, and often many -geeks- are perceiving types but not all of them ... extroversion and introversion might seem to matter but it is juast that introverted intuitive thinking perceivers (INTPs for short) are more common than their extroverted counterpart (ENTPs)
Just because someone is extroverted also does not mean they love parties and -fun- that -love- for superficial stuff and not intellectual is usually the sensing types... while intuitives seek pleasure in intellect , sensors seek physical or material pleasure
This is getting long... but it is very dissapointing as an extroverted -geek- and also your fan to see that you have this unscientific stereotype that puts all extroverts and introverts in the same bag (also for the same reasons i talked above , many introverts are NOT into geek culture, geek culture sure seems -introverted- but in reality it is not that simple)
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black
I am introvert. Talking goes much on automatic pilot without hard thinking, so I don't think that alone leads to poor listening. I probably think more when not talking. However I think the message here is that people have to know that if someone is NOT actively engaging in a conversation that alone does NOT mean they're not listening. In fact if I'm walking with two friends on a sidewalk or something I'll subconsciously always be the one walking behind, forming a 2-1-formation. I really feel participating there often without much talking; in fact I can hear both better than if we were in a 3-formation. The only thing that bothers me is when people ASSUME I chose not to participate and thereby subconsciously kicking me out of participation I actually still felt into. Or if they're assuming and overly trying to get me back in the middle of a 3-formation, because in my experience I already AM in the conversation, just not talking. If I am put in the middle of a 3-formation, I in fact listen worse, because after some time my mind may scream it's overcrowded and I need to get out of here.
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I am introvert. Talking goes much on automatic pilot without hard thinking, so I don't think that alone leads to poor listening. I probably think more when not talking. However I think the message here is that people have to know that if someone is NOT actively engaging in a conversation that alone does NOT mean they're not listening. In fact if I'm walking with two friends on a sidewalk or something I'll subconsciously always be the one walking behind, forming a 2-1-formation. I really feel participating there often without much talking; in fact I can hear both better than if we were in a 3-formation. The only thing that bothers me is when people ASSUME I chose not to participate and thereby subconsciously kicking me out of participation I actually still felt into. Or if they're assuming and overly trying to get me back in the middle of a 3-formation, because in my experience I already AM in the conversation, just not talking. If I am put in the middle of a 3-formation, I in fact listen worse, because after some time my mind may scream it's overcrowded and I need to get out of here.
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sudoaptpurge
All of these points are built on stereotypical and vastly overgeneralized statements.
1.Being an introvert does not mean being a good listener. I, as a very introverted person, am one of the worst listeners I know. Just because I'm quiet doesn't mean I'm giving the other person my full attention.
2. Being an introvert also does not have anything to do with thinking capabilities. There are smarter and less smart introverts and extroverts. Majority falls near the middle of the bell curve.
3. This quality over quantity stuff only works in terms of human connections.
4. Many introverts do care about expectations and opinions, and guess what, many extroverts do not. There is absolutely no correlation.
I recommend you look up MBTI if you are interested in these things. MBTI categorizes people based on 4 axis (introversion vs extroversion, intuition vs sensing, thinking vs feeling, perceiving vs judging) and it's still very stereotypical and barely scratches the surface. There is a lot more to personality than just introversion vs extroversion.
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All of these points are built on stereotypical and vastly overgeneralized statements.
1.Being an introvert does not mean being a good listener. I, as a very introverted person, am one of the worst listeners I know. Just because I'm quiet doesn't mean I'm giving the other person my full attention.
2. Being an introvert also does not have anything to do with thinking capabilities. There are smarter and less smart introverts and extroverts. Majority falls near the middle of the bell curve.
3. This quality over quantity stuff only works in terms of human connections.
4. Many introverts do care about expectations and opinions, and guess what, many extroverts do not. There is absolutely no correlation.
I recommend you look up MBTI if you are interested in these things. MBTI categorizes people based on 4 axis (introversion vs extroversion, intuition vs sensing, thinking vs feeling, perceiving vs judging) and it's still very stereotypical and barely scratches the surface. There is a lot more to personality than just introversion vs extroversion.
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mz2281694
About introverts being good listeners, as someone that only can socialize no more than about a couple of hours daily, I find that statement dangerous, if you are telling me nonsense I'll probably tell you why I think is nonsense and I will listen carefully if you talk something worthwhile, start chitchatting and I'll have a lot of trouble trying to look interested, probably start sweating and with a strong urge to start running away. I don't like to waste time talking about nothing which, to me, is a strong signal that the other is an extrovert, in my experience they tend to feel unconfortable with silence, which I love. If you want to talk to me about something meaningful you'll have my attention for hours, if you want to share something personal, even embarrasing, yo can be sure I'll never mock or spill it with someone else, but talk to me about nothing, I can make any promises then. You are wasting our times and fill my head with boredom, so I'll change the subject, run or make fun of you.
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About introverts being good listeners, as someone that only can socialize no more than about a couple of hours daily, I find that statement dangerous, if you are telling me nonsense I'll probably tell you why I think is nonsense and I will listen carefully if you talk something worthwhile, start chitchatting and I'll have a lot of trouble trying to look interested, probably start sweating and with a strong urge to start running away. I don't like to waste time talking about nothing which, to me, is a strong signal that the other is an extrovert, in my experience they tend to feel unconfortable with silence, which I love. If you want to talk to me about something meaningful you'll have my attention for hours, if you want to share something personal, even embarrasing, yo can be sure I'll never mock or spill it with someone else, but talk to me about nothing, I can make any promises then. You are wasting our times and fill my head with boredom, so I'll change the subject, run or make fun of you.
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mz2281694
I don't even think is about distaste for people, I think that we introverts, don't need others to have fun, to be entertained, I've always strugle to answer to, are you busy?, I'm always busy, busy working, learning, resting, having fun even busy sleeping. Extroverts seem to need others or they are miserable, bored, unmotivated, etc. So they talk even when they have nothing to say and gather for no reason. I can talk to someone interesting about interesting things for hours and I get tired, but good tired, like after a good workout, filled with new ideas, even more motivated; but after 5min of chichchat I'm wasted, all I want is a dark corner to hide, go to sleep for weeks. I literally (the literal definition) would prefer an hour watching paint dry than 10min useless conversation, at least with the paint I don't have to pretend interest and I don't have to follow a sermon about nothing that don't even let me ponder freely.
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I don't even think is about distaste for people, I think that we introverts, don't need others to have fun, to be entertained, I've always strugle to answer to, are you busy?, I'm always busy, busy working, learning, resting, having fun even busy sleeping. Extroverts seem to need others or they are miserable, bored, unmotivated, etc. So they talk even when they have nothing to say and gather for no reason. I can talk to someone interesting about interesting things for hours and I get tired, but good tired, like after a good workout, filled with new ideas, even more motivated; but after 5min of chichchat I'm wasted, all I want is a dark corner to hide, go to sleep for weeks. I literally (the literal definition) would prefer an hour watching paint dry than 10min useless conversation, at least with the paint I don't have to pretend interest and I don't have to follow a sermon about nothing that don't even let me ponder freely.
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Jeffrey
I'm more introverted and for the record I am on the high functioning spectrum of Autism. I like digging into Hardware and code because my mind works in a way that enables to to have a great understanding of things like Math and computer science but not so great of things like grammar. Personally I think everyone has their own advantages but my whole life I thought I was a loser with nothing I'm good at I sucked at sports grammar was never that into cars then I got into linux and unlike commas and periods I could grasp the grammar of programing languages like C and C++ with if else statements I know something in () probally is going to be displayed something ; ends a line of code # is for comments so straight up for me it's nice to have one thing in this world where I'm not so behind everyone else
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I'm more introverted and for the record I am on the high functioning spectrum of Autism. I like digging into Hardware and code because my mind works in a way that enables to to have a great understanding of things like Math and computer science but not so great of things like grammar. Personally I think everyone has their own advantages but my whole life I thought I was a loser with nothing I'm good at I sucked at sports grammar was never that into cars then I got into linux and unlike commas and periods I could grasp the grammar of programing languages like C and C++ with if else statements I know something in () probally is going to be displayed something ; ends a line of code # is for comments so straight up for me it's nice to have one thing in this world where I'm not so behind everyone else
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Sam
I really don't know what I think about this video. I want to disagree but what your saying really makes me question which one of the 2 I am. I hate playing video games alone. Multiplayer or bust that sorta thing. But I also will sit for hours coding away. Brainstorming lots of ideas and really pondering without ever sharing my thoughts. Because if I did they wouldn't get it. I feel like an extrovert with an introverted side because of a lack of people to share my complex thoughts with. Am I a half blood or just an introvert?
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I really don't know what I think about this video. I want to disagree but what your saying really makes me question which one of the 2 I am. I hate playing video games alone. Multiplayer or bust that sorta thing. But I also will sit for hours coding away. Brainstorming lots of ideas and really pondering without ever sharing my thoughts. Because if I did they wouldn't get it. I feel like an extrovert with an introverted side because of a lack of people to share my complex thoughts with. Am I a half blood or just an introvert?
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Sebastian
There's a huge difference between being extroverted and being charismatic.
I was always told I was an extrovert, but with the years I noticed that my character is more of an introvert, but I got no trouble socializing. I just rather have good people around and only talk through messages to set a date or activity.
This pandemic has been tough because how hard it is for me to keep in touch without being with people on the same room.
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There's a huge difference between being extroverted and being charismatic.
I was always told I was an extrovert, but with the years I noticed that my character is more of an introvert, but I got no trouble socializing. I just rather have good people around and only talk through messages to set a date or activity.
This pandemic has been tough because how hard it is for me to keep in touch without being with people on the same room.
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