PKP Intercity TLK: A great classic train from Poland
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Date: 2024-01-09
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-marcinj1992
About the carriage designation here is a little bit of clarification. Old 24, 5m carriages that are true second class have 10 compartments and nothing in the designation B10_____ indicates if it is with 8 seats per compartment or 6 seats. The number after B (in case of second class, first class has A and mixed classes is AB) in case of compartment cars indicates the number of physical compartments (as said before no matter if 8 seat or 6 seat) and in case of open saloon carriages it means the number of seats divided by 8 (sort of categorising into virtual 8 seat compartments) so 72 seat modernised 24, 5m carriage will be B9nopuz (p indicates completely open saloon configuration. The letter z indicates the type of power supply of the carriage. Those with z letter have electronic converter which converts high voltage provided by the locomotive to low voltage for lighting, charging batteries and other things (heating not included as it draws so much current that it must be constantly provided in high voltage without any conversion. Those without that letter have their own dynamo that is connected to wheelset so during motion the energy to lighting and battery charging is provided, when train stops the lighting power supply is changed automatically to draw from battery. Simply put during summer when heating isn't needed such carriage doesn't need to be connected electrically to locomotive, it is fully autonomous as long as the stops aren't too long to deplete batteries completely. 1st class carriages have 9 compartments which are physically bigger so more room for legs and 6 seats by definition. Actually the AB9nou/AB9nouz mixed class of the 112At type (under AB9nouz designation there are also very much different 141A-20 carriages) is a converted full first class carriage where simply in 5 of 9 compartments they changed the seating to 8 seats so the second class in this mixed carriage is a weird hybrid of 8 seat seating typical for 2nd class with the leg room that is typical for 1st class. PKP IC often runs 1st class carriages as 2nd class but they mark them by A4 paper with printed info on entrance doors, currently they don't practice permanent class reduction. However if they started such practice in future, then the carriages will be designated A9nouy. Also in all those designations the letter n means forced air heating system, carriages designated as B10ou or B10ouz have radiator heating system under seats so from passenger point of view they are the same old stock as these here unless you decide to look what is hidden under seats. As for more modern 26, 4m carriages they can be recognised by the letter m, the 2nd class is 11 compartment B11mnouz and 1st class is 9 compartment A9mnouz. 2nd class is 6 seated with leg space like in 2nd class old carriages, additional 1, 9m is used to add a whole additional compartment so between modernised old (there are better 6 seat modernisations that the 6 seat on the video) and new ones there may be absolutely no difference in compartment characteristics. 1st class in 26, 4m is even better than 1st class in 24, 5m because the number of compartments is the same but even more room for legs.
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About the carriage designation here is a little bit of clarification. Old 24, 5m carriages that are true second class have 10 compartments and nothing in the designation B10_____ indicates if it is with 8 seats per compartment or 6 seats. The number after B (in case of second class, first class has A and mixed classes is AB) in case of compartment cars indicates the number of physical compartments (as said before no matter if 8 seat or 6 seat) and in case of open saloon carriages it means the number of seats divided by 8 (sort of categorising into virtual 8 seat compartments) so 72 seat modernised 24, 5m carriage will be B9nopuz (p indicates completely open saloon configuration. The letter z indicates the type of power supply of the carriage. Those with z letter have electronic converter which converts high voltage provided by the locomotive to low voltage for lighting, charging batteries and other things (heating not included as it draws so much current that it must be constantly provided in high voltage without any conversion. Those without that letter have their own dynamo that is connected to wheelset so during motion the energy to lighting and battery charging is provided, when train stops the lighting power supply is changed automatically to draw from battery. Simply put during summer when heating isn't needed such carriage doesn't need to be connected electrically to locomotive, it is fully autonomous as long as the stops aren't too long to deplete batteries completely. 1st class carriages have 9 compartments which are physically bigger so more room for legs and 6 seats by definition. Actually the AB9nou/AB9nouz mixed class of the 112At type (under AB9nouz designation there are also very much different 141A-20 carriages) is a converted full first class carriage where simply in 5 of 9 compartments they changed the seating to 8 seats so the second class in this mixed carriage is a weird hybrid of 8 seat seating typical for 2nd class with the leg room that is typical for 1st class. PKP IC often runs 1st class carriages as 2nd class but they mark them by A4 paper with printed info on entrance doors, currently they don't practice permanent class reduction. However if they started such practice in future, then the carriages will be designated A9nouy. Also in all those designations the letter n means forced air heating system, carriages designated as B10ou or B10ouz have radiator heating system under seats so from passenger point of view they are the same old stock as these here unless you decide to look what is hidden under seats. As for more modern 26, 4m carriages they can be recognised by the letter m, the 2nd class is 11 compartment B11mnouz and 1st class is 9 compartment A9mnouz. 2nd class is 6 seated with leg space like in 2nd class old carriages, additional 1, 9m is used to add a whole additional compartment so between modernised old (there are better 6 seat modernisations that the 6 seat on the video) and new ones there may be absolutely no difference in compartment characteristics. 1st class in 26, 4m is even better than 1st class in 24, 5m because the number of compartments is the same but even more room for legs.
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-HSMiyamoto
If their second class coaches were open saloon style, there would be more open seats, because you can seat many more people. Except for a few coach-class streamliners like the Santa Fe El Capitan, and the Trailblazer and Jeffersonian on the old Pennsylvania R. R, all compartments require a first class fare in the U. S, by tradition. Amtrak used to run slumbercoaches on the Lakeshore Ltd, which was allowed you to sleep in your own room for the price of a coach ticket and $67, but those went away when the Heritage Fleet was retired.
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If their second class coaches were open saloon style, there would be more open seats, because you can seat many more people. Except for a few coach-class streamliners like the Santa Fe El Capitan, and the Trailblazer and Jeffersonian on the old Pennsylvania R. R, all compartments require a first class fare in the U. S, by tradition. Amtrak used to run slumbercoaches on the Lakeshore Ltd, which was allowed you to sleep in your own room for the price of a coach ticket and $67, but those went away when the Heritage Fleet was retired.
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-bruscotheboar5256
Yeah the announcements in Poland.
It was hard to me to buy a ticket at a ticket office in Gdansk Glowny as the guy behind the counter barely spoke english or german (tried german because Gdansk was german in the past.
Other than that. both times when i travelled with PKP (both times on the EuroCity Berlin Hbf - Gdynia Glowna) it was a great experience. Classic but modern transet, staff did their best to help if i needed anything and overall on time.
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Yeah the announcements in Poland.
It was hard to me to buy a ticket at a ticket office in Gdansk Glowny as the guy behind the counter barely spoke english or german (tried german because Gdansk was german in the past.
Other than that. both times when i travelled with PKP (both times on the EuroCity Berlin Hbf - Gdynia Glowna) it was a great experience. Classic but modern transet, staff did their best to help if i needed anything and overall on time.
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-uzytkownik5593
Actually, it's really nice (and a bit of nostalgic) to watch this video at the beginning of 2024, knowing that the TLK train category is slowly dying. Each year PKP Intercity carries the modernization of more and more cars, therefore upgrading them to IC standards. Many connections are also served by electric multiple units, fresh and equipped with the quiet zone. I'd recommend you to visit Poland again and try some EMUs! -
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Actually, it's really nice (and a bit of nostalgic) to watch this video at the beginning of 2024, knowing that the TLK train category is slowly dying. Each year PKP Intercity carries the modernization of more and more cars, therefore upgrading them to IC standards. Many connections are also served by electric multiple units, fresh and equipped with the quiet zone. I'd recommend you to visit Poland again and try some EMUs! -
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-bodecsabi
I think both the B10nouz and B10nou has been originally 2nd class cars - they have 10 compartments - the 8 or 6 seats are simply different refurbishments of similar cars. The 1st class cars had only 9 compartments in this car family. However PKPIC often runs 1st class cars as 2nd class - but these cases the cars typically original 1st class cars - painted as 1st class just they could be used with 2nd class ticket.
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I think both the B10nouz and B10nou has been originally 2nd class cars - they have 10 compartments - the 8 or 6 seats are simply different refurbishments of similar cars. The 1st class cars had only 9 compartments in this car family. However PKPIC often runs 1st class cars as 2nd class - but these cases the cars typically original 1st class cars - painted as 1st class just they could be used with 2nd class ticket.
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-zaerikk9761
Thank you for the great video! I was surprised how Poles modernized their old east-german coaches. In the Czechia, the modernization of these is. well, we can hardly say it is modernization. There are huge differences between these original ones without AC and new/reconstructed coaches with all these modern stuff like plugs, AC, wifi. So I thought that would be same in Poland and as I can see there, I was wrong.
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Thank you for the great video! I was surprised how Poles modernized their old east-german coaches. In the Czechia, the modernization of these is. well, we can hardly say it is modernization. There are huge differences between these original ones without AC and new/reconstructed coaches with all these modern stuff like plugs, AC, wifi. So I thought that would be same in Poland and as I can see there, I was wrong.
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-vinnigamer5895
TLK - Old carragies, usually with 8 seats per compartment, without AC and power outlets.
IC - New, or modernized carragies with 6 seats per compartment (or without compartments, only with one big space, every carrage have an AC and power outlets.
EIC - Basically the same as IC, but with less stops, due to -Express- thing.
EIP - Premium fastets Pendolino trains in Poland; )
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TLK - Old carragies, usually with 8 seats per compartment, without AC and power outlets.
IC - New, or modernized carragies with 6 seats per compartment (or without compartments, only with one big space, every carrage have an AC and power outlets.
EIC - Basically the same as IC, but with less stops, due to -Express- thing.
EIP - Premium fastets Pendolino trains in Poland; )
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-kbieniu7
TLK is often extended by passengers to -Tani Letni Koszmar- which means -Cheap Summer Nightmare-: P It basically has guarantee only to have wheels. The 8-person compartments are a nightmare if full, they try to replace it with 6-persons ones or the non-compartment cars. In the Intercity category one of the guarantees is not to have those 8-persons compartments
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TLK is often extended by passengers to -Tani Letni Koszmar- which means -Cheap Summer Nightmare-: P It basically has guarantee only to have wheels. The 8-person compartments are a nightmare if full, they try to replace it with 6-persons ones or the non-compartment cars. In the Intercity category one of the guarantees is not to have those 8-persons compartments
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-filipz6341
I once drove to my Grandma in Poland, so we took the train. The train came over 15 minutes late and had only 2-3 carriages. When we boarded the train we did go to the 2nd class. The train interior was Woody and noisy as heck. The train was a slowpoke, about 40km/h. It also stopped at stations where it shouldn't stop. after like an hour we arrived.
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I once drove to my Grandma in Poland, so we took the train. The train came over 15 minutes late and had only 2-3 carriages. When we boarded the train we did go to the 2nd class. The train interior was Woody and noisy as heck. The train was a slowpoke, about 40km/h. It also stopped at stations where it shouldn't stop. after like an hour we arrived.
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-amittesukku
This was a neat little video! Just sent it to my foreign friend to show her that this is more like the trains I take, as opposed to a video she watched on Express InterCity Premium. I don't take any specific interest in trains, so I didn't know about the Nou(z) thing at all - I wonder if I'll be able to remember it from now on: D
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This was a neat little video! Just sent it to my foreign friend to show her that this is more like the trains I take, as opposed to a video she watched on Express InterCity Premium. I don't take any specific interest in trains, so I didn't know about the Nou(z) thing at all - I wonder if I'll be able to remember it from now on: D
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-adamzieba8364
EP07 belongs to a family of electric locos that was started in 1962, when Polish State Railways had ordered and bought 20 class EU06 locos from English Electric complete with a license to build them in Poland. Their design was based on British Rail class 83. Several derivative classes of EU06 were developed later in Poland.
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EP07 belongs to a family of electric locos that was started in 1962, when Polish State Railways had ordered and bought 20 class EU06 locos from English Electric complete with a license to build them in Poland. Their design was based on British Rail class 83. Several derivative classes of EU06 were developed later in Poland.
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-pliedtka
Haven't been in Poland for almost 2 decades. There's still a lady selling tickets: )
EP-07, modernized EU-07, both of them build on base of EU-06, licenced from British design.
I like the old classic cart design from 70s, quite comfy and if you travel in group you don't invade on others privacy.
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Haven't been in Poland for almost 2 decades. There's still a lady selling tickets: )
EP-07, modernized EU-07, both of them build on base of EU-06, licenced from British design.
I like the old classic cart design from 70s, quite comfy and if you travel in group you don't invade on others privacy.
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Recently I learnt EU07 is closely related to British Class 86, through EU06 which was a licenced version of the UK loco, built in Poland. Was quite surprised there was such cooperation right in the middle of the Cold War. You can see some resemblence though, particularily in the front window.
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Recently I learnt EU07 is closely related to British Class 86, through EU06 which was a licenced version of the UK loco, built in Poland. Was quite surprised there was such cooperation right in the middle of the Cold War. You can see some resemblence though, particularily in the front window.
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-travelKDeu
5: 57: TLK trains are operated by old not refurbished cars without restaurant car, AC and power outlets. IC trains are operated with modernized cars or EMU's (Pesa Dart / Stadler Flirt) and contain a restaurant car. The goal of PKP iC is to replace all TLK trains with IC trains.
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5: 57: TLK trains are operated by old not refurbished cars without restaurant car, AC and power outlets. IC trains are operated with modernized cars or EMU's (Pesa Dart / Stadler Flirt) and contain a restaurant car. The goal of PKP iC is to replace all TLK trains with IC trains.
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-yagi3925
Typical Central European train service: old-fashioned and rather -basic- but decent, inexpensive, reliable and typically offering such services as manned ticket offices, a bicycle carriage - features that have become rather rare in Western Europe.
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Typical Central European train service: old-fashioned and rather -basic- but decent, inexpensive, reliable and typically offering such services as manned ticket offices, a bicycle carriage - features that have become rather rare in Western Europe.
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I rode those a lot two years ago when I arrived in Poland, but now, those old carriages are becoming quite rare. It has been mandated that train toilets that flush to the tracks will not be permitted to operate in Poland beyond the end of 2024.
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I rode those a lot two years ago when I arrived in Poland, but now, those old carriages are becoming quite rare. It has been mandated that train toilets that flush to the tracks will not be permitted to operate in Poland beyond the end of 2024.
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-osasunaitor
2: 24 -I am quite surprised but it seems that Poland is a railway friendly country-
Why are you surprised? Poland has one of the best rail networks in central Europe. Reliable and cheap with lots of connections. I'm jealous of them!
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2: 24 -I am quite surprised but it seems that Poland is a railway friendly country-
Why are you surprised? Poland has one of the best rail networks in central Europe. Reliable and cheap with lots of connections. I'm jealous of them!
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-b. w. 9244
Hope this is not a dumb question. I am not yet experienced with trains. seems like a corridor with windows is a waste of windows. Why not a central hall, with smaller compartments on either side, each with their own windows? Thanks!
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Hope this is not a dumb question. I am not yet experienced with trains. seems like a corridor with windows is a waste of windows. Why not a central hall, with smaller compartments on either side, each with their own windows? Thanks!
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-Filip7370
BTW, Koleje Mazowieckie has nothing to do with PKP. All those regional operator are just the way of the regions to kick PKP out, because Przewozy regionalne (Regional carrier) has a miserable opinion and quality of service.
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BTW, Koleje Mazowieckie has nothing to do with PKP. All those regional operator are just the way of the regions to kick PKP out, because Przewozy regionalne (Regional carrier) has a miserable opinion and quality of service.
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-DanielsUKT
great video on the classic PKP intercity TLK trains i really do like the sounds of the rails as you are moving from carriage to carriage and the view out of the back and the locomotive at the front
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great video on the classic PKP intercity TLK trains i really do like the sounds of the rails as you are moving from carriage to carriage and the view out of the back and the locomotive at the front
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Maybe you didn-t feel difference between TLK and IC, but IC are always new or modernized, with air conditioning and electric plugs, restaurant car, and IC can be also a traction unit, like Stadler Flirt
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Maybe you didn-t feel difference between TLK and IC, but IC are always new or modernized, with air conditioning and electric plugs, restaurant car, and IC can be also a traction unit, like Stadler Flirt
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train
2: 44 some train is coming on to track 2 the train was reserved places in cars 13, 12 are on the front of the train cars 11, 10 are on the back of the train- that-s what I got and I m polish
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2: 44 some train is coming on to track 2 the train was reserved places in cars 13, 12 are on the front of the train cars 11, 10 are on the back of the train- that-s what I got and I m polish
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-kimberlygila3604
This brings me back memories when l was in poland, polish people love their trains and the public transportation is popular there too. freight trains have right of way there.
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This brings me back memories when l was in poland, polish people love their trains and the public transportation is popular there too. freight trains have right of way there.
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-malkin_05
You were really lucky finding tidied up toilet in TLK.
Nice vid btw and u shouldn' t forget to ride with not refrubished EN57 to feel that you are really travelling by train: )
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You were really lucky finding tidied up toilet in TLK.
Nice vid btw and u shouldn' t forget to ride with not refrubished EN57 to feel that you are really travelling by train: )
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-TheCzarownik1
Comfort and quality of TLK / IC / EIC depends on the train depot which serves the train. This may vary considerably and does not depend on train category.
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Comfort and quality of TLK / IC / EIC depends on the train depot which serves the train. This may vary considerably and does not depend on train category.
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-lorenzo_contini_7
Quick question: where do you get the pictures of the loco and carriages you use to show where you are during the walkthrough? Merci; )
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Quick question: where do you get the pictures of the loco and carriages you use to show where you are during the walkthrough? Merci; )
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-reiniernn9071
In the first seconds there is written 60 km East of Warsaw. On the map a little later it seems Sochaczew is on the west side of Warsaw.
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In the first seconds there is written 60 km East of Warsaw. On the map a little later it seems Sochaczew is on the west side of Warsaw.
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Tlk means cheap rail lines in polish tanie linie kolejowe.
Edit: often there is no difference between tlk and intercity.
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Tlk means cheap rail lines in polish tanie linie kolejowe.
Edit: often there is no difference between tlk and intercity.
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-TimeByFly_WT
btw Bydgoszcz is a city not a town my grandpa lived there and my grand grand grandpa and grandma died there
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btw Bydgoszcz is a city not a town my grandpa lived there and my grand grand grandpa and grandma died there
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-jakubadamczyk1523
Hi, nice video, but I must say Masovian Railways aren't owned by PKP, they are 100% Masovian.
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Hi, nice video, but I must say Masovian Railways aren't owned by PKP, they are 100% Masovian.
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-stefano3202
$4. 87 for a 36 minute ride, meanwhile in new york we pay 9. 50 for a 40 minute ride to the city
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$4. 87 for a 36 minute ride, meanwhile in new york we pay 9. 50 for a 40 minute ride to the city
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-irishspud438
Did you try riding on Dart trains in Poland? I highly recommend if you haven't got a chance yet
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Did you try riding on Dart trains in Poland? I highly recommend if you haven't got a chance yet
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-edisonz2006
Love the thumbnail! Also, can you do more trip reports in Poland when you get back to Europe?
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Love the thumbnail! Also, can you do more trip reports in Poland when you get back to Europe?
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