The 2023 Volvo S60 Is The Quirky Scandinavian Alternative to the 3-Series
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Date: 2023-06-15
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kalm
hybrid reduces emissions more than ev, it uses the worlds limited batttery supply, to reduce emissions where they happen most across all cars throught the rest of human existence, which is in low speed high torque ( stop and go traffic) without being heavy (which is less crash safe espcially for others in crash, and weight also worsens normal wear damage to road which cost emissions etc to fix. a small but essential part of the battery cannot be recycled after short lifetime due to high energy flow into and out of battery causing normal dendrite forming battery wear damage, this is why aftermarket electric cars go down in value as much as they do. see volvo study on how it suppsoedly takes more emissiosn to make electric car, motors arnt recyclable. mahle says its working on recyclable electric motor. its best to have small combustion charge battery size somewhat closer to optimal size for longveity, because more battery is exponentially more energy wasted which worsens longveity, ebcause yoru nto using all thee energy all that long range ev big battery mass carries, and current ev tech is much heavier per amoiunt fo energy vs combustion. sir joseph center enegry and others are working on converting linear combustion energy to elctric drive, and maybe assited by hydrallic drive. bio fuels, hydrogen, e fuels, propane etc are all more sustainable tech than relying more on electric battery car, so only use enough battery to reduce emisions to a resonable amount for the sake of human health etc. it will more much easier to own too, cheaper, lightweight driving fun more similar to lotus elise mid rear engine weigth distrubution(for saftey and being abel to preserve momentum around turns, which is more effceint than regenrative braking, manual steering, a car structure that can give you precise feel of how car is moving, rear wheel drive (less regenerative braking, so more longveity of battery) etc.
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hybrid reduces emissions more than ev, it uses the worlds limited batttery supply, to reduce emissions where they happen most across all cars throught the rest of human existence, which is in low speed high torque ( stop and go traffic) without being heavy (which is less crash safe espcially for others in crash, and weight also worsens normal wear damage to road which cost emissions etc to fix. a small but essential part of the battery cannot be recycled after short lifetime due to high energy flow into and out of battery causing normal dendrite forming battery wear damage, this is why aftermarket electric cars go down in value as much as they do. see volvo study on how it suppsoedly takes more emissiosn to make electric car, motors arnt recyclable. mahle says its working on recyclable electric motor. its best to have small combustion charge battery size somewhat closer to optimal size for longveity, because more battery is exponentially more energy wasted which worsens longveity, ebcause yoru nto using all thee energy all that long range ev big battery mass carries, and current ev tech is much heavier per amoiunt fo energy vs combustion. sir joseph center enegry and others are working on converting linear combustion energy to elctric drive, and maybe assited by hydrallic drive. bio fuels, hydrogen, e fuels, propane etc are all more sustainable tech than relying more on electric battery car, so only use enough battery to reduce emisions to a resonable amount for the sake of human health etc. it will more much easier to own too, cheaper, lightweight driving fun more similar to lotus elise mid rear engine weigth distrubution(for saftey and being abel to preserve momentum around turns, which is more effceint than regenrative braking, manual steering, a car structure that can give you precise feel of how car is moving, rear wheel drive (less regenerative braking, so more longveity of battery) etc.
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Benjamin
Why do we constantly have to hear about China in the comment section? This is getting old. Volvo is Scandinavian and operates out of Gothenburg with the financial backing of its Chinese parent company. But directly Volvo is a Swedish operation and spends a lot of time making their cars reflect Scandinavian design and content in the form of materials choices, sustainability concerns from the choices of materials and carbon footprints in manufacturing to the recycling of materials at the car's end of life, safety content that draws upon and expands Volvo's heritage in safety design, and their vision in how they move the company forward. So saying they're Chinese because of their parent company is a stretch.
I don't agree that Volvo's look like scaled versions of each other. The s60 and S90 have different profiles, glass greenhouses and shapes (while being distinctly Volvos. The XC40, XC60 and XC90 aren't really the same either in profile. Inside, they're similar, but not the same. By contrast, Mercedes C, E, and S are far more scaled versions of each other than Volvo's two sedans are though Mercedes SUVs may also differ.
The s60 is a nice vehicle and I wish I saw more of them on the road vs. Volvo's crossovers. The refinement and performance are excellent. However, this is Volvo's now last generation. A new Volvo design is coming as seen in the EX90 and EX30. Problem is, these are BEV only. That's where Volvo is going.
Thanks for your usual excellent and thorough presentation.
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Why do we constantly have to hear about China in the comment section? This is getting old. Volvo is Scandinavian and operates out of Gothenburg with the financial backing of its Chinese parent company. But directly Volvo is a Swedish operation and spends a lot of time making their cars reflect Scandinavian design and content in the form of materials choices, sustainability concerns from the choices of materials and carbon footprints in manufacturing to the recycling of materials at the car's end of life, safety content that draws upon and expands Volvo's heritage in safety design, and their vision in how they move the company forward. So saying they're Chinese because of their parent company is a stretch.
I don't agree that Volvo's look like scaled versions of each other. The s60 and S90 have different profiles, glass greenhouses and shapes (while being distinctly Volvos. The XC40, XC60 and XC90 aren't really the same either in profile. Inside, they're similar, but not the same. By contrast, Mercedes C, E, and S are far more scaled versions of each other than Volvo's two sedans are though Mercedes SUVs may also differ.
The s60 is a nice vehicle and I wish I saw more of them on the road vs. Volvo's crossovers. The refinement and performance are excellent. However, this is Volvo's now last generation. A new Volvo design is coming as seen in the EX90 and EX30. Problem is, these are BEV only. That's where Volvo is going.
Thanks for your usual excellent and thorough presentation.
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Aurora
No sorry. Dont be fooled by American made here. Volvo is owned by Geely a CHINESE COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP who has countless human rights atrrocities associated with them. Not a problem you say. Well then take your wife and kids there and tell them its ok that they harvest the organs of religiously persecuted people. Tell them that's ok.
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No sorry. Dont be fooled by American made here. Volvo is owned by Geely a CHINESE COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP who has countless human rights atrrocities associated with them. Not a problem you say. Well then take your wife and kids there and tell them its ok that they harvest the organs of religiously persecuted people. Tell them that's ok.
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autos
With Volvo more is too much. If this car came with a turbo 6cyl making around 350hp it would sell like crazy. However with Volvo's spotty reliability a Bmw 340i is a better buy. Volvo needs to go back to its roots with simple, reliable and some tubo fun cars.
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With Volvo more is too much. If this car came with a turbo 6cyl making around 350hp it would sell like crazy. However with Volvo's spotty reliability a Bmw 340i is a better buy. Volvo needs to go back to its roots with simple, reliable and some tubo fun cars.
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Shawn
I might get hate from this: I am one that's not interested in Volvo gasoline car, their inline-5 legendary era is long gone. But their EX90, or the 40k and 0-60mph in sub-4 seconds EX30, plus those Zeekr and Polestars are much more interesting.
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I might get hate from this: I am one that's not interested in Volvo gasoline car, their inline-5 legendary era is long gone. But their EX90, or the 40k and 0-60mph in sub-4 seconds EX30, plus those Zeekr and Polestars are much more interesting.
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Faheem
Their bad reliability reputation is going to kill them if their EVs are as problematic.
JLR both are going to go out of business in the next 15 years or so because of their bad reliability records. I doubt they can keep going with them.
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Their bad reliability reputation is going to kill them if their EVs are as problematic.
JLR both are going to go out of business in the next 15 years or so because of their bad reliability records. I doubt they can keep going with them.
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Myungjae
I am not entirely sure if i would want volvo whether it is built in china and even if their quality is reliable. I think the problem is not the cars. its the country. sorry mate, i will PASS. Thanks for the information though.
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I am not entirely sure if i would want volvo whether it is built in china and even if their quality is reliable. I think the problem is not the cars. its the country. sorry mate, i will PASS. Thanks for the information though.
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AllPurposeBen
I have one of these and the removal of the drive mode roller drives me insane. The Polestar Optimization page lists an option to add it but no dealer I've talked to says that it's available.
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I have one of these and the removal of the drive mode roller drives me insane. The Polestar Optimization page lists an option to add it but no dealer I've talked to says that it's available.
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autos
I considered one, as it is the rare Volvo NOT made in China. I refuse to buy any car made in China.
I ended up finding a nice used Etron which has been pretty good.
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I considered one, as it is the rare Volvo NOT made in China. I refuse to buy any car made in China.
I ended up finding a nice used Etron which has been pretty good.
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stupid0nut
Volvo SUVs are all over the place and it's a shame their sedans don't sell as well. This car looks much more handsome than the 3 series or A4.
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Volvo SUVs are all over the place and it's a shame their sedans don't sell as well. This car looks much more handsome than the 3 series or A4.
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Baron
My dads S60 left us stranded one month after we bought it. Continued to be a money pit for several more months before being replaced with a Lexus.
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My dads S60 left us stranded one month after we bought it. Continued to be a money pit for several more months before being replaced with a Lexus.
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Jim
Teresa, my mechanic, begged me to get a Volvo when i was car shopping. Get a Volvo. I want to put a pool in at my house for the grand kids.
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Teresa, my mechanic, begged me to get a Volvo when i was car shopping. Get a Volvo. I want to put a pool in at my house for the grand kids.
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Ben
More like alternative to the 5 series. This is a WIDE car. How much of Volvo cars is Swedish owned now? WIsh they made the V50 or V40.
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More like alternative to the 5 series. This is a WIDE car. How much of Volvo cars is Swedish owned now? WIsh they made the V50 or V40.
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Gary
You know if my Hyundai is collecting vehicle information to offer me insurance, you Gotta know what s going on with the Volvo. 32: 50
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You know if my Hyundai is collecting vehicle information to offer me insurance, you Gotta know what s going on with the Volvo. 32: 50
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sprague49
That's a pretty fancy unmarked police car but couldn't Volvo figure out a way to make the lead lights and tail lights black too?
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That's a pretty fancy unmarked police car but couldn't Volvo figure out a way to make the lead lights and tail lights black too?
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