CPU Performance Loss After 1 Year Of Windows
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Date: 2025-06-28
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clinttube
This is a very interesting and useful test... but where is the data to back it up What constitutes a 'clean install' Did you run these benchmarks after being connected to the internet (presumably for at least some like the games) and having downloaded Windows Updates and drivers/support software The thing is that Windows Update isn't really Windows Update anymore. Coupled with the OEM/motherboard manufacturer, the new purpose is 'Deliver all remotely plausible software and drivers from any decent sized company tangentially related to anything on/near your machine'.
If you connect your Razer mouse, your Logitech keyboard, your LG monitor, your HP scanner, your Corsair Fan/RGB controller, and your Creative headphones, you almost definitely have dozens of processes and potentially gigabytes of programs on a Clean Install within days. That's to say nothing of whatever arrives via the OEM's programs like Alienware Command Center or ASUS Armoury-Crate - those are even worse for performance. That's before we even consider all the bloat most Windows installs come with now, much of which actually arrives on first-launch or first update if you don't actively try to stop it. While I may prevent that stuff, if it comes with Windows itself out of the box (not out of the box on the internet recreating everything linked to your MS account), you could call that a 'clean install'.
I think the biggest improvement in modern Windows vs. the 98/XP/Vista days has been in exactly the kind of stable continuity this test could measure - and good on them for that. The problem is deciding what is the baseline. If you're doing like most people do and not actively fighting those auto-installs/downloads, then a clean install isn't really a 'clean' install. I am excluding programs and drivers required to operate the computer as designed - there's nothing optional about installing Chipset, USB, WiFi, NIC, and GPU drivers. But on net those will GIVE you performance, not take it away.
The invasiveness of Windows is increasing on a daily basis; intentional or not. You can have Windows Updates paused and device driver installation disabled, but they'll STILL be adding programs to your computer that you have no control over without completely extreme measures. For example, I have all those settings disabled on a new Windows 10 IOT Enterprise LTSC 2021 installation. That should be the least susceptible to what I'm talking about here, yet despite having Windows Updates paused I find a new Windows Developer Settings OS Component AND LG Monitor App on my device when I logged in today. I had already installed my LG monitor's driver and color profile - and what got installed isn't even applicable to my monitor model.
It's a Monitor alright - unauthorized software (and a new device nonetheless) that MS assumes I want because LG told them so and they don't ask any questions because you are the product now. On modern CPU's this isn't going to kill performance like it used to, but without some detail on the clean install it's hard to say how useful this really is.
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This is a very interesting and useful test... but where is the data to back it up What constitutes a 'clean install' Did you run these benchmarks after being connected to the internet (presumably for at least some like the games) and having downloaded Windows Updates and drivers/support software The thing is that Windows Update isn't really Windows Update anymore. Coupled with the OEM/motherboard manufacturer, the new purpose is 'Deliver all remotely plausible software and drivers from any decent sized company tangentially related to anything on/near your machine'.
If you connect your Razer mouse, your Logitech keyboard, your LG monitor, your HP scanner, your Corsair Fan/RGB controller, and your Creative headphones, you almost definitely have dozens of processes and potentially gigabytes of programs on a Clean Install within days. That's to say nothing of whatever arrives via the OEM's programs like Alienware Command Center or ASUS Armoury-Crate - those are even worse for performance. That's before we even consider all the bloat most Windows installs come with now, much of which actually arrives on first-launch or first update if you don't actively try to stop it. While I may prevent that stuff, if it comes with Windows itself out of the box (not out of the box on the internet recreating everything linked to your MS account), you could call that a 'clean install'.
I think the biggest improvement in modern Windows vs. the 98/XP/Vista days has been in exactly the kind of stable continuity this test could measure - and good on them for that. The problem is deciding what is the baseline. If you're doing like most people do and not actively fighting those auto-installs/downloads, then a clean install isn't really a 'clean' install. I am excluding programs and drivers required to operate the computer as designed - there's nothing optional about installing Chipset, USB, WiFi, NIC, and GPU drivers. But on net those will GIVE you performance, not take it away.
The invasiveness of Windows is increasing on a daily basis; intentional or not. You can have Windows Updates paused and device driver installation disabled, but they'll STILL be adding programs to your computer that you have no control over without completely extreme measures. For example, I have all those settings disabled on a new Windows 10 IOT Enterprise LTSC 2021 installation. That should be the least susceptible to what I'm talking about here, yet despite having Windows Updates paused I find a new Windows Developer Settings OS Component AND LG Monitor App on my device when I logged in today. I had already installed my LG monitor's driver and color profile - and what got installed isn't even applicable to my monitor model.
It's a Monitor alright - unauthorized software (and a new device nonetheless) that MS assumes I want because LG told them so and they don't ask any questions because you are the product now. On modern CPU's this isn't going to kill performance like it used to, but without some detail on the clean install it's hard to say how useful this really is.
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aggies11
What's the old saying It's not the age, it's the mileage. I think that definitely applies with this topic.
Interesting idea - I remember the old wisdom being, Windows 98 lasting 3-6 months before expiring. XP being able to go a year or so. Vista maybe 2yrs, and 7 and onwards can go indefinitely as long as you don't rock the boat too much. I generally keep my OS installs for around 4yrs now, but Im not doing anything too exciting, and my core apps largely don't change. I have a cousin who is younger, who downloads every free game, any program his friends are into, installs mods, modding programs, and cycles games in and out. His windows installs tend to survive about 6 months before running into some sort of catastrophic issue. What
FWIW it's not the age of the install, but rather how much change it's seeing. How many windows updates, how much software install/uninstall. How many different drivers, parts swapped in an out. Etc. They can all lead to inefficiencies where windows gets in the way of what you are attempting to accomplish.
Not sure if Will's system really fits that bill. Plus with modern performance levels and especially fast SSD's windows inefficiencies might not move the needle that much anymore.
But you'd have to be specific in what you are benching. The hardware doesn't magically disappear, you don't lose 4 cores after 1yr. Generally speaking if a program or app can utilize all the hardware peak performance will still be there. It'd be more average performance of typical mixed use multi tasking environments. Which is tricky to quantify let alone test.
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What's the old saying It's not the age, it's the mileage. I think that definitely applies with this topic.
Interesting idea - I remember the old wisdom being, Windows 98 lasting 3-6 months before expiring. XP being able to go a year or so. Vista maybe 2yrs, and 7 and onwards can go indefinitely as long as you don't rock the boat too much. I generally keep my OS installs for around 4yrs now, but Im not doing anything too exciting, and my core apps largely don't change. I have a cousin who is younger, who downloads every free game, any program his friends are into, installs mods, modding programs, and cycles games in and out. His windows installs tend to survive about 6 months before running into some sort of catastrophic issue. What
FWIW it's not the age of the install, but rather how much change it's seeing. How many windows updates, how much software install/uninstall. How many different drivers, parts swapped in an out. Etc. They can all lead to inefficiencies where windows gets in the way of what you are attempting to accomplish.
Not sure if Will's system really fits that bill. Plus with modern performance levels and especially fast SSD's windows inefficiencies might not move the needle that much anymore.
But you'd have to be specific in what you are benching. The hardware doesn't magically disappear, you don't lose 4 cores after 1yr. Generally speaking if a program or app can utilize all the hardware peak performance will still be there. It'd be more average performance of typical mixed use multi tasking environments. Which is tricky to quantify let alone test.
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mjs28s
yes, run on older systems or 16GB systems.
My experience, having a laptop I used in college was running like a dog turd. So, I blasted Windows and installed it fresh and it ran great....and then I made the mistake of letting it update. After the update, whatever Microsoft keeps piling on to the windows code base, just starts to chew things up and more ram is required just to sit on the desktop, even on the same main windows release (not talking about service packs but Win 7, 8, 10, etc.).
Finally I couldn't stand it as it finally hit the point of being nearly unusable for a good 5 minutes after bootup. Installed a lightweight linux (well, played with several but settled on Mint) and it ran fine.
What does Microsoft constantly bloat up their OS with!! Sitting on the desktop of most alternative OS you have the same tools out of the gate and less you are needing to install different software tool all the base OS's seem to have what most people would need - office type tools, email, web browser, games (though easier or more difficult to setup depending on choice of alternative OS and not all, but more than enough) media streaming, etc.
Any thoughts as to what Microsoft does to crater the OS and constantly force more and more powerful machines and more ram down our throats
I also have a pretty old Macbook Air with a whopping 4GB ram and it is an awesome linux machine. Great display, snappy, etc. Even a 2011 or 2012 dinosaur works if you stay away from Windows.
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yes, run on older systems or 16GB systems.
My experience, having a laptop I used in college was running like a dog turd. So, I blasted Windows and installed it fresh and it ran great....and then I made the mistake of letting it update. After the update, whatever Microsoft keeps piling on to the windows code base, just starts to chew things up and more ram is required just to sit on the desktop, even on the same main windows release (not talking about service packs but Win 7, 8, 10, etc.).
Finally I couldn't stand it as it finally hit the point of being nearly unusable for a good 5 minutes after bootup. Installed a lightweight linux (well, played with several but settled on Mint) and it ran fine.
What does Microsoft constantly bloat up their OS with!! Sitting on the desktop of most alternative OS you have the same tools out of the gate and less you are needing to install different software tool all the base OS's seem to have what most people would need - office type tools, email, web browser, games (though easier or more difficult to setup depending on choice of alternative OS and not all, but more than enough) media streaming, etc.
Any thoughts as to what Microsoft does to crater the OS and constantly force more and more powerful machines and more ram down our throats
I also have a pretty old Macbook Air with a whopping 4GB ram and it is an awesome linux machine. Great display, snappy, etc. Even a 2011 or 2012 dinosaur works if you stay away from Windows.
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mimmimim
What a waste of time.
A PC is meant to be used. Not to be benchmarked.
Maybe benchmarking is all you do.
Let me teach you instead, you claim you'd teach people!
Load three VS solutions consisting of tens of projects and hundreds of source files along with a Keil uVision while debugging your server and MCU at the same time.
Keep a Wireshark on record at all times.
And some TCP viewers and process managers kept on too...
3 browsers for AI and web GUIs of the servers.
And a virtual machine running in the background, in order to keep customer connections isolated.
Some sheets for data and a notepad with god knows how many tabs.
Sometimes I switch to Double Commander so I don't have to leave those 15 explorer windows which I need to access frequently, open in the background.
Now test on that machine please. Even a simple CPU-Z test forget who it is!
Today I got stuck cause explorer didn't allow me to drag a zip file into the chatgpt conversion window! Had to work around and parse my logs myself.
Your conversation proves one thing and one thing only.
You're not here for facts! Don't know what your intentions are...
If I hadn't checked the comments of others I'd probably loose a lot of time watching the whole video to lead somewhere significant, like a fool!
Now I've lost that time to leave this so-called comment!
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What a waste of time.
A PC is meant to be used. Not to be benchmarked.
Maybe benchmarking is all you do.
Let me teach you instead, you claim you'd teach people!
Load three VS solutions consisting of tens of projects and hundreds of source files along with a Keil uVision while debugging your server and MCU at the same time.
Keep a Wireshark on record at all times.
And some TCP viewers and process managers kept on too...
3 browsers for AI and web GUIs of the servers.
And a virtual machine running in the background, in order to keep customer connections isolated.
Some sheets for data and a notepad with god knows how many tabs.
Sometimes I switch to Double Commander so I don't have to leave those 15 explorer windows which I need to access frequently, open in the background.
Now test on that machine please. Even a simple CPU-Z test forget who it is!
Today I got stuck cause explorer didn't allow me to drag a zip file into the chatgpt conversion window! Had to work around and parse my logs myself.
Your conversation proves one thing and one thing only.
You're not here for facts! Don't know what your intentions are...
If I hadn't checked the comments of others I'd probably loose a lot of time watching the whole video to lead somewhere significant, like a fool!
Now I've lost that time to leave this so-called comment!
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pcworld
Well, it makes sense when you look at it from a speed perspective. Maybe we finally hit a high enough speed _along with the VCache benefit_ that prevents Windows from being able to slow it down much at all anymore. I havnt noticed my PC running any slower with my 5600X over the space of many years from the cloning of my original 1TB HDD to my SSD that had a R1400 Quad Core with a single 8Gb stick of RAM 2133MHz that was upgraded to 2x8Gb sticks at 2666MHz in 2021 on a B350 Bazooka mobo to finally my last upgrade to a 2TB SN770 SSD, 5600X Hexacore, and upgraded to 2x16Gb sticks of RAM at 3600MHz on a X570 TUF Gaming Wifi II in 2022/2023. Over even the _last year_ since I upgraded my display to 1440p from 1080p, I still seem to be getting the same framerates and snappy response and startup with Windows 10 even though I have added tons more games and programs. Yet back in 2020 I noticed my system had indeed gotten slower like typical Windows after a couple years time. Thus why I upgraded the RAM for one. So it could be merely an HDD thing with Windows, but once again maybe its because everything is just too fast for Windows to slow it down anymore.
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Well, it makes sense when you look at it from a speed perspective. Maybe we finally hit a high enough speed _along with the VCache benefit_ that prevents Windows from being able to slow it down much at all anymore. I havnt noticed my PC running any slower with my 5600X over the space of many years from the cloning of my original 1TB HDD to my SSD that had a R1400 Quad Core with a single 8Gb stick of RAM 2133MHz that was upgraded to 2x8Gb sticks at 2666MHz in 2021 on a B350 Bazooka mobo to finally my last upgrade to a 2TB SN770 SSD, 5600X Hexacore, and upgraded to 2x16Gb sticks of RAM at 3600MHz on a X570 TUF Gaming Wifi II in 2022/2023. Over even the _last year_ since I upgraded my display to 1440p from 1080p, I still seem to be getting the same framerates and snappy response and startup with Windows 10 even though I have added tons more games and programs. Yet back in 2020 I noticed my system had indeed gotten slower like typical Windows after a couple years time. Thus why I upgraded the RAM for one. So it could be merely an HDD thing with Windows, but once again maybe its because everything is just too fast for Windows to slow it down anymore.
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pcworld
M2 SSDs need to be replaced. They degrade over time. Replace every 2 years. The more recent ones are better but you need to double the memory and half should be reserved for when memory fails - the memory has a lifespan. Also get 128 meg of ddr5 ram. reduce page file to increase lifespan with the larger ram. Also replace the liquid cooler every 3 years or your chip will burn out. Dust buildup on fans also affect mobiles. clean the inside of laptops every 6 months. Also the new file format optimises virus scans (ReFS file system). Use it for dev and graphics/video work. If you buy a 2TB M2 SSD 1TB MUST be reserved for memory loss - modern M2 SSDs have cleaver firmware that does the moving of memory that is about to fail to new sectors. Being unaware of hardware and the right hardware for the task or the right formats for the drives results in degradation. Also turn off the Indexing of files. Use cleaver directory structures instead to locate files. Re-indexing slows down over time as the number of files increase. New installs require a lot more indexing as new software is added.
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M2 SSDs need to be replaced. They degrade over time. Replace every 2 years. The more recent ones are better but you need to double the memory and half should be reserved for when memory fails - the memory has a lifespan. Also get 128 meg of ddr5 ram. reduce page file to increase lifespan with the larger ram. Also replace the liquid cooler every 3 years or your chip will burn out. Dust buildup on fans also affect mobiles. clean the inside of laptops every 6 months. Also the new file format optimises virus scans (ReFS file system). Use it for dev and graphics/video work. If you buy a 2TB M2 SSD 1TB MUST be reserved for memory loss - modern M2 SSDs have cleaver firmware that does the moving of memory that is about to fail to new sectors. Being unaware of hardware and the right hardware for the task or the right formats for the drives results in degradation. Also turn off the Indexing of files. Use cleaver directory structures instead to locate files. Re-indexing slows down over time as the number of files increase. New installs require a lot more indexing as new software is added.
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Nelthalin
Current problem with 8 vs 12 Core on AMD is the 8 core ccd. Doing stuff on the second ccd has a latency penalty so for modern gaming engines most of the time a single 8 is way faster than a dual 6 core. Unless you only need up to 6 threads is not a issue. But once you need 8 or 10 the single ccd will faster latency wise.
Rumors speak about a 12 Core ccd for Zen6 that would be a nice upgrade for gaming now engines start Tot use more than 8 threads.
I have to say i do not really like the advice at the end to just install everything. Some RGB software (or other background programs for that matter) are notorious for giving you issues with stuttering or eating up CPU you might have been lucky with the software you where using that its not that badly optimized. I have had insane micro stutters with corsairs icue in the past removed it everything was perfect again. When eating CPU resources it also increases idle power consumption a lot. Thats also somethign some people do not like.
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Current problem with 8 vs 12 Core on AMD is the 8 core ccd. Doing stuff on the second ccd has a latency penalty so for modern gaming engines most of the time a single 8 is way faster than a dual 6 core. Unless you only need up to 6 threads is not a issue. But once you need 8 or 10 the single ccd will faster latency wise.
Rumors speak about a 12 Core ccd for Zen6 that would be a nice upgrade for gaming now engines start Tot use more than 8 threads.
I have to say i do not really like the advice at the end to just install everything. Some RGB software (or other background programs for that matter) are notorious for giving you issues with stuttering or eating up CPU you might have been lucky with the software you where using that its not that badly optimized. I have had insane micro stutters with corsairs icue in the past removed it everything was perfect again. When eating CPU resources it also increases idle power consumption a lot. Thats also somethign some people do not like.
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peterjansen4826
With hard drives it was abundantly clear that Windows got slower over time, SSD's hide it to some extend. It is interesting to find out how much it does hide in which cases. In my opinion FPS-benchmarks and rendering-scores are not the best way to test it. There are 2 obvious reason for Windows getting slower over time: the registry which is basically like a database (it got way out of hand over the years) and data-fragmentation. SSD's hide the latter to some extend thanks to high random read speed and low random read latency but even SSD's are faster with continous blocks fo data. Back in the days when I still used Windows I did a clean install once a year, that was the point that I got annoyed by the slowdown. But that was on an i5-750, SATA-600 SSD for a brief time and before that on harddrives.
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With hard drives it was abundantly clear that Windows got slower over time, SSD's hide it to some extend. It is interesting to find out how much it does hide in which cases. In my opinion FPS-benchmarks and rendering-scores are not the best way to test it. There are 2 obvious reason for Windows getting slower over time: the registry which is basically like a database (it got way out of hand over the years) and data-fragmentation. SSD's hide the latter to some extend thanks to high random read speed and low random read latency but even SSD's are faster with continous blocks fo data. Back in the days when I still used Windows I did a clean install once a year, that was the point that I got annoyed by the slowdown. But that was on an i5-750, SATA-600 SSD for a brief time and before that on harddrives.
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chocolate_squiggle
I thought this would be a semi-serious video but the guy on the left is making such absurd premises... 12-cores benching the same as 8-cores just because the PC was used for a year Ridiculous, so I can't watch it. The reason PC's were perceived to slow down over time was because of disk access. With more stuff installed & more startup programs installed & more config files or registry entries to parse, and a bit of fragmentation too...well yeah things took longer - because they were doing more and disk access was slow. But now we have SSD's with sub-ms access times instead of dozens of ms, and a benchmark is going to run from RAM and shouldn't slow down unless the O/S is doing other things concurrently.
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I thought this would be a semi-serious video but the guy on the left is making such absurd premises... 12-cores benching the same as 8-cores just because the PC was used for a year Ridiculous, so I can't watch it. The reason PC's were perceived to slow down over time was because of disk access. With more stuff installed & more startup programs installed & more config files or registry entries to parse, and a bit of fragmentation too...well yeah things took longer - because they were doing more and disk access was slow. But now we have SSD's with sub-ms access times instead of dozens of ms, and a benchmark is going to run from RAM and shouldn't slow down unless the O/S is doing other things concurrently.
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maddada
I don't debloat that much and I run a lot of utilities. Never reinstall windows unless absolutely necessary.
I check running services/processes once in a while and set some to manual or uninstall stuff if I'm sure I don't need them, and I check start up once a month so boot is faster (startup delayer is good for this)
Never felt noticeable drops due to stuff running in the background but I'm running 32gb so that might help.
CPUs have a lot of cores now and scheduling is better so I think that has to do with this improvement. And having apps or files in registry or just dormant in a non-indexed folder doesn't affect windows normal operations at all in my experience.
All the best.
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I don't debloat that much and I run a lot of utilities. Never reinstall windows unless absolutely necessary.
I check running services/processes once in a while and set some to manual or uninstall stuff if I'm sure I don't need them, and I check start up once a month so boot is faster (startup delayer is good for this)
Never felt noticeable drops due to stuff running in the background but I'm running 32gb so that might help.
CPUs have a lot of cores now and scheduling is better so I think that has to do with this improvement. And having apps or files in registry or just dormant in a non-indexed folder doesn't affect windows normal operations at all in my experience.
All the best.
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LeesChannel
I think the reality is that CPUs have gotten so powerful that the hit has become much more negligible... also, the terrible resource hogs at launch were under far less scrutiny in the days of yore than they are now, so naturally they were worse.
However, there are certainly other ways to frame it, if you wanted to make it look worse. If the performance hit to your 16 core cpu is 3-4%, you could say that's 48-64% (half) of one whole Zen 5 CPU core's worth of performance just gone. Or you could show a CPU that's roughly equivalent to that performance, and throw it in the garbage for dramatic flair, and say That's your CPU on Windows!
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I think the reality is that CPUs have gotten so powerful that the hit has become much more negligible... also, the terrible resource hogs at launch were under far less scrutiny in the days of yore than they are now, so naturally they were worse.
However, there are certainly other ways to frame it, if you wanted to make it look worse. If the performance hit to your 16 core cpu is 3-4%, you could say that's 48-64% (half) of one whole Zen 5 CPU core's worth of performance just gone. Or you could show a CPU that's roughly equivalent to that performance, and throw it in the garbage for dramatic flair, and say That's your CPU on Windows!
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MaheerKibria
So I do a clean reinstall every year. And it's not for performance. It's because a lot of the Dev and 3D software is jank and requires you to edit registries to work right. Substance Painter used to require you to change the TDR to prevent GPUs from thinking the software had crashed. A clean install restores the Registry to its defaults, rather than remembering or documenting all the registry edits and remembering to undo them when you no longer need them. Since the Registry edits would sometimes create new jank in other applications. It also cleans up any jank from old driver installs and old chipset drivers.
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So I do a clean reinstall every year. And it's not for performance. It's because a lot of the Dev and 3D software is jank and requires you to edit registries to work right. Substance Painter used to require you to change the TDR to prevent GPUs from thinking the software had crashed. A clean install restores the Registry to its defaults, rather than remembering or documenting all the registry edits and remembering to undo them when you no longer need them. Since the Registry edits would sometimes create new jank in other applications. It also cleans up any jank from old driver installs and old chipset drivers.
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old486whizz
So, a windows install 1 year old (not really old enough), using new tech (multi-core, nvme drive, etc) maybe diff drives per old/new, on a machine where - while he does install and uninstall stuff, he doesn't totally do bogging down like changing AV 3 times, shareware from the old download sites, random services etc) - and then using benchmarks that only do CPU/GPU intensive testing (when the whole 'myth' is about loading and general use tasks slowing down the machine based on single-core and rotary drives partially due to fragmentation of files, partially due to services etc..
... Very bad testing IMO..
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So, a windows install 1 year old (not really old enough), using new tech (multi-core, nvme drive, etc) maybe diff drives per old/new, on a machine where - while he does install and uninstall stuff, he doesn't totally do bogging down like changing AV 3 times, shareware from the old download sites, random services etc) - and then using benchmarks that only do CPU/GPU intensive testing (when the whole 'myth' is about loading and general use tasks slowing down the machine based on single-core and rotary drives partially due to fragmentation of files, partially due to services etc..
... Very bad testing IMO..
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C-M-E
Ugh, nightmare fuel time, you've been warned. I'd like to nominate myself for the shameful title of possibly World's Dirtiest but Functional Windows Install. Due to having tons of coding, CAD and modeling software that is now subscription-based and will never be updated ever again, I have at least 17 different distributions of C running concurrently, as just an icebreaker. There's also the 6 different drives with a good 14TB of data, some probably redundant across both programs and raw files.
And I will be trying to make all that work on Linux soon... Dons Glutton for Punishment mask
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Ugh, nightmare fuel time, you've been warned. I'd like to nominate myself for the shameful title of possibly World's Dirtiest but Functional Windows Install. Due to having tons of coding, CAD and modeling software that is now subscription-based and will never be updated ever again, I have at least 17 different distributions of C running concurrently, as just an icebreaker. There's also the 6 different drives with a good 14TB of data, some probably redundant across both programs and raw files.
And I will be trying to make all that work on Linux soon... Dons Glutton for Punishment mask
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1SaG
SSDs/M.2s, bucketloads of fast RAM and insanely fast multi-core CPUs - I guess even Windows can't counteract that much progress... ;)
I remember way back in the day looking for (and using) all sorts of 3rd party apps to have my system run as cleanly or unobstructed as possible before I fired up any sort of demanding games (anyone remember Enditall) ... but these days... My current Win11 install has been in use since 2022 and while I did upgrade all my hardware since then (other than the motherboard and M.2 system-drive), I'm not getting the impression that my rig has slowed down.
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SSDs/M.2s, bucketloads of fast RAM and insanely fast multi-core CPUs - I guess even Windows can't counteract that much progress... ;)
I remember way back in the day looking for (and using) all sorts of 3rd party apps to have my system run as cleanly or unobstructed as possible before I fired up any sort of demanding games (anyone remember Enditall) ... but these days... My current Win11 install has been in use since 2022 and while I did upgrade all my hardware since then (other than the motherboard and M.2 system-drive), I'm not getting the impression that my rig has slowed down.
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julesc8054
On older systems or low power machines the issue is responsiveness.
The issue is telemetry does not log when you, the user are not active, so if you just set a process to run and use full cpu and or gpu you the user are not interacting with the Windows so loging interference is at a low when you want to open new files search images access folders brows telemetry is at an all time high ever so iritatingly slowing down the time it takes from clic to execution.
If the machine is slow enough windows telemetry uses much more recorces than the action.
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On older systems or low power machines the issue is responsiveness.
The issue is telemetry does not log when you, the user are not active, so if you just set a process to run and use full cpu and or gpu you the user are not interacting with the Windows so loging interference is at a low when you want to open new files search images access folders brows telemetry is at an all time high ever so iritatingly slowing down the time it takes from clic to execution.
If the machine is slow enough windows telemetry uses much more recorces than the action.
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batyanko8283
When you run something intensive, Windows (more often than not) know better than to too run any of the assorted random stuff it runs.
So running benchmarks here is not very interesting.
Something of a longitudinal study would be more interesting, measuring latency in day to day tasks repeatedly. Because that's when it appears that background tasks are more important than whatever you're doing, when clicking stuff on the desktop takes 5 seconds to take effect, then it takes a few milliseconds, then it takes 10 seconds. That's what matters.
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When you run something intensive, Windows (more often than not) know better than to too run any of the assorted random stuff it runs.
So running benchmarks here is not very interesting.
Something of a longitudinal study would be more interesting, measuring latency in day to day tasks repeatedly. Because that's when it appears that background tasks are more important than whatever you're doing, when clicking stuff on the desktop takes 5 seconds to take effect, then it takes a few milliseconds, then it takes 10 seconds. That's what matters.
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-INFERNUS-
I only have 2 programs that start with my Win 10 LTSC 21H2, which is bloat free of course, MSI Afterburner to enable my undervolt at startup and HWiNFO cause I like to see my temps and thats it. I never reinstalled Windows since 2018 my PC boots as fast as it did back then, at least that's how I see it lol. Plus I'm very anal when it comes time to uninstall a program or game, I will go through every single hidden folder to delete any trace of it and even go through the registry. I also have a very clean desktop no icons at all, just my wallpaper.
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I only have 2 programs that start with my Win 10 LTSC 21H2, which is bloat free of course, MSI Afterburner to enable my undervolt at startup and HWiNFO cause I like to see my temps and thats it. I never reinstalled Windows since 2018 my PC boots as fast as it did back then, at least that's how I see it lol. Plus I'm very anal when it comes time to uninstall a program or game, I will go through every single hidden folder to delete any trace of it and even go through the registry. I also have a very clean desktop no icons at all, just my wallpaper.
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gstormcz
Ryzen 7700 and I feel the upgrade over i3-10100f became downgrade instead.
That's with more RAM, faster drive, tested on both W 10 Enterprise and 10 Pro, newest drivers, updated Win and latest BIOS.
Windows after W 10 Home become full of crap you unistall it has updates ignore even just your desktop walpaper preferrence.
Since there is no real competition in PC DYI OS, things are as they are.
Not everyone has 64GB RAM to prove the idea that whatever you throw on your OS and drive doesn't matter.
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Ryzen 7700 and I feel the upgrade over i3-10100f became downgrade instead.
That's with more RAM, faster drive, tested on both W 10 Enterprise and 10 Pro, newest drivers, updated Win and latest BIOS.
Windows after W 10 Home become full of crap you unistall it has updates ignore even just your desktop walpaper preferrence.
Since there is no real competition in PC DYI OS, things are as they are.
Not everyone has 64GB RAM to prove the idea that whatever you throw on your OS and drive doesn't matter.
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DrayseSchneider
I'm not a Windows person, but I haven't bought into refreshing one's Windows system to improve performance for a couple of decades, at least without caveats. If you install and uninstall lots of programs and bloat your registry with broken references, on top of what happens with os and application updates and upgrades. And clean os installs are generally better than os upgrades but that's hasn't been an absolute either as the slowdowns are generally more likely due to feature creep than anything else.
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I'm not a Windows person, but I haven't bought into refreshing one's Windows system to improve performance for a couple of decades, at least without caveats. If you install and uninstall lots of programs and bloat your registry with broken references, on top of what happens with os and application updates and upgrades. And clean os installs are generally better than os upgrades but that's hasn't been an absolute either as the slowdowns are generally more likely due to feature creep than anything else.
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