RTX 2070 review, PT's controversial CPU benchmarks revised, and more - The Full Nerd Ep. 72
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Date: 2022-03-15
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Peter
The notifications of Youtube are problematic again. I did get a notification for some phone-review from PCWorld but none for this.
On the topic of the podcast: the RTX 2070 is the only Turing card which I would consider if Nvidia would support FreeSync and Intel and PT screwed up horribly. I don't know what was going on but indeed, there are way too many 'accidental' errors to trust it. Everything was a disadvantage for Ryzen: much worse memory-timings while Ryzen is much more 'sensitive' to it. worse cooling in a poorly ventilated case (overlooked by most people in the community, it can differ a few FPS) and disabling half the cores. I won't anything of PT or Intel for years. PT still cheated with the last benchmarks: full rank RAM, still the stock cooler for AMD and the highend cooler for Intel (a few FPS disadvantage for Ryzen. This is what was going on in my opinion: Intel knows that gaming is the growth-segment of the PC market and thus Intel has to sell the CPU for gamers. -Best gaming CPU-.
But the 9900k doesn't perform much better for games than the 8700 at the same clock frequency (4. 9 GHz. single core boost) given that few games utilize all the cores of the 8700k fully. That is why Intel had PT cheat. Just my theory.
HardOCP TV: -I see Intel marketing going through BIG changes very soon. -. I agree with Kyle his prediction. :)
Adam, good trolling of Gordon with the console-buying suggestion. Keep that going. :)
Even though I only game with a PC.
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The notifications of Youtube are problematic again. I did get a notification for some phone-review from PCWorld but none for this.
On the topic of the podcast: the RTX 2070 is the only Turing card which I would consider if Nvidia would support FreeSync and Intel and PT screwed up horribly. I don't know what was going on but indeed, there are way too many 'accidental' errors to trust it. Everything was a disadvantage for Ryzen: much worse memory-timings while Ryzen is much more 'sensitive' to it. worse cooling in a poorly ventilated case (overlooked by most people in the community, it can differ a few FPS) and disabling half the cores. I won't anything of PT or Intel for years. PT still cheated with the last benchmarks: full rank RAM, still the stock cooler for AMD and the highend cooler for Intel (a few FPS disadvantage for Ryzen. This is what was going on in my opinion: Intel knows that gaming is the growth-segment of the PC market and thus Intel has to sell the CPU for gamers. -Best gaming CPU-.
But the 9900k doesn't perform much better for games than the 8700 at the same clock frequency (4. 9 GHz. single core boost) given that few games utilize all the cores of the 8700k fully. That is why Intel had PT cheat. Just my theory.
HardOCP TV: -I see Intel marketing going through BIG changes very soon. -. I agree with Kyle his prediction. :)
Adam, good trolling of Gordon with the console-buying suggestion. Keep that going. :)
Even though I only game with a PC.
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Peter
Gordon and Brad. AMD wants to compete in the high end with graphics card, they just can't at the moment because they had to cut the budget for RTG. AMD was close to a bankruptcy, Su chose to invest more in the CPU because the profit margins on CPUs are higher and that paid off, didn't it? In the meantime AMD kept the GPU department alive by letting Sony, MS and Apple prefinance new GPUs which are adapted to serve their needs. That is why Polaris was only a midend card and why Vega has a great performance in compute but a mediocre (compared to the diesize) performance for gaming. Even though an undervolted Vega56 is a great card which gets the performance of a 1070 Ti and doesn't have a higher power consumption (with an undervolt of close to 0. 1 V. Now that the CPU daparment does well and AMD gets profits again AMD invvests more in GPUs. Navi will not be a return to the high end, after that AMD will once again compete on all levels. Patience.
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Gordon and Brad. AMD wants to compete in the high end with graphics card, they just can't at the moment because they had to cut the budget for RTG. AMD was close to a bankruptcy, Su chose to invest more in the CPU because the profit margins on CPUs are higher and that paid off, didn't it? In the meantime AMD kept the GPU department alive by letting Sony, MS and Apple prefinance new GPUs which are adapted to serve their needs. That is why Polaris was only a midend card and why Vega has a great performance in compute but a mediocre (compared to the diesize) performance for gaming. Even though an undervolted Vega56 is a great card which gets the performance of a 1070 Ti and doesn't have a higher power consumption (with an undervolt of close to 0. 1 V. Now that the CPU daparment does well and AMD gets profits again AMD invvests more in GPUs. Navi will not be a return to the high end, after that AMD will once again compete on all levels. Patience.
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Christos
I think if we're talking high-end in regards of resolution, meaning 1440 and 4k, Vega 64 is the best option if someone considers in terms of -value for money- (also AMD delivers better in dx12 btw. For me personally, i have no intend of supporting nvidia anymore after their marketing schemes and consumer manipulation (same goes for Intel but that's another story. Regardless though, i am more concerned in -value for money- and at this point, after researching the prices constantly, i see Vega more appealing still (although, objectively speaking, gtx 1080 is a better option for me here in Greece atm. That being said, used cards market is the way to go whatever the case imo.
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I think if we're talking high-end in regards of resolution, meaning 1440 and 4k, Vega 64 is the best option if someone considers in terms of -value for money- (also AMD delivers better in dx12 btw. For me personally, i have no intend of supporting nvidia anymore after their marketing schemes and consumer manipulation (same goes for Intel but that's another story. Regardless though, i am more concerned in -value for money- and at this point, after researching the prices constantly, i see Vega more appealing still (although, objectively speaking, gtx 1080 is a better option for me here in Greece atm. That being said, used cards market is the way to go whatever the case imo.
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THE
Do not buy this card for Ray Tracing, #1 this is the low end ray tracing card of the first gen, so it will probably be the worst RT capable card made. ALso the few leaks of RT gameplay from the launch showed 2080s struggling to get to 60FPS with RTX on. If that is indeed true -- And we still don't know due to lack of games, the odds are this card will be horrible at RT. . BUT the main issue is here is NO improvement at the price point, normally each generation there is an improvement for a price-point here there is not - I say if what you have works just keep waiting. till AMD releases something early next year. maybe it will at least cause nvidia to lower prices a little.
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Do not buy this card for Ray Tracing, #1 this is the low end ray tracing card of the first gen, so it will probably be the worst RT capable card made. ALso the few leaks of RT gameplay from the launch showed 2080s struggling to get to 60FPS with RTX on. If that is indeed true -- And we still don't know due to lack of games, the odds are this card will be horrible at RT. . BUT the main issue is here is NO improvement at the price point, normally each generation there is an improvement for a price-point here there is not - I say if what you have works just keep waiting. till AMD releases something early next year. maybe it will at least cause nvidia to lower prices a little.
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DrearierSpider1
No one should buy the 2070 on principle alone.
-2 generations ago, we got the 970 (a 104 class GPU) for $330, one of the best value for money GPU's of recent years
-Last generation, the 1070 (also a 104 class GPU) went up in price to $450 (maybe $400 to $420, but at least matched last gen's flagship for a lot less money
-This gen, the 2070 is a 106 class GPU for $600, just $50 less than what Nvidia's flagship was selling for 2 generations ago
Nvidia are cutting down their die, offering less performance gains vs the last 2 generations, and making you pay $100-$150 more per generation.
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No one should buy the 2070 on principle alone.
-2 generations ago, we got the 970 (a 104 class GPU) for $330, one of the best value for money GPU's of recent years
-Last generation, the 1070 (also a 104 class GPU) went up in price to $450 (maybe $400 to $420, but at least matched last gen's flagship for a lot less money
-This gen, the 2070 is a 106 class GPU for $600, just $50 less than what Nvidia's flagship was selling for 2 generations ago
Nvidia are cutting down their die, offering less performance gains vs the last 2 generations, and making you pay $100-$150 more per generation.
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Ocular
Funny my hobby used to be modifying my car and now it is PC gaming and I did buy a PG27UQ and 2080ti paired with and 8700k at 5ghz and have WAY Less tickets, also noticed something I believe Microsoft is lowering performance on Win 7 I have an win 10 on both my computers (new rig mentioned above) and my old rig which is a 3930k at 4. 8ghz and Titan X (pascal) SLI and on the x79 system I don't update win 7 often and have seen Zero performance advantage on windows 10 but on this new machine (Z370) is slower at times than my X79 machine with only one GPU active and there is no way that should be
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Funny my hobby used to be modifying my car and now it is PC gaming and I did buy a PG27UQ and 2080ti paired with and 8700k at 5ghz and have WAY Less tickets, also noticed something I believe Microsoft is lowering performance on Win 7 I have an win 10 on both my computers (new rig mentioned above) and my old rig which is a 3930k at 4. 8ghz and Titan X (pascal) SLI and on the x79 system I don't update win 7 often and have seen Zero performance advantage on windows 10 but on this new machine (Z370) is slower at times than my X79 machine with only one GPU active and there is no way that should be
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Lexie
The 2070 is $1k AUD, the 1070 was $600 AUD. Why should anyone spend high end money on a mid range card. A little over 1080 perf for the same MSRP that was 2 years ago is unacceptable. It's not even about a lack of generational perf improvement, its the fact it lacks it and the product stack was moved up almost 2 whole price tiers. It stung a little to see the -70- class card at $400 USD but we accepted a price tier shift with Pascal because it was considerably faster than Maxwell. This is just plain insulting.
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The 2070 is $1k AUD, the 1070 was $600 AUD. Why should anyone spend high end money on a mid range card. A little over 1080 perf for the same MSRP that was 2 years ago is unacceptable. It's not even about a lack of generational perf improvement, its the fact it lacks it and the product stack was moved up almost 2 whole price tiers. It stung a little to see the -70- class card at $400 USD but we accepted a price tier shift with Pascal because it was considerably faster than Maxwell. This is just plain insulting.
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REAP
I don't blame Nvidia, nor Intel but I have a FX8350 that I want to replace. I am sick and tired of compromises and prices, deals, and value for the money. I just want competition at the high end, soon. If not till the end of the year, I will just get 9900K with 2080Ti and bite the bullet. Enough waiting for the next GPU/CPU architectures from AMD, enough value propositions. I just want uncompromising system and call it a day, cranking up all at max settings. No more compromises!
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I don't blame Nvidia, nor Intel but I have a FX8350 that I want to replace. I am sick and tired of compromises and prices, deals, and value for the money. I just want competition at the high end, soon. If not till the end of the year, I will just get 9900K with 2080Ti and bite the bullet. Enough waiting for the next GPU/CPU architectures from AMD, enough value propositions. I just want uncompromising system and call it a day, cranking up all at max settings. No more compromises!
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LFly
In Europe an RTX 2070 will never be below 600 EUR, the real street prices are always approximatelly 100-150 EUR plus on that 499 dollars not including VAT. so it's a bust by default. If one plays texture heavy modern games (Watch Dogs 2, Mass Effect Andromeda, Wildands, Origins) at 1080p or 1440p using all details to Ultra with no compromises a GTX 1080 will always be slightly faster because of a little stronger compute power and faster GDDRX5 memory.
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In Europe an RTX 2070 will never be below 600 EUR, the real street prices are always approximatelly 100-150 EUR plus on that 499 dollars not including VAT. so it's a bust by default. If one plays texture heavy modern games (Watch Dogs 2, Mass Effect Andromeda, Wildands, Origins) at 1080p or 1440p using all details to Ultra with no compromises a GTX 1080 will always be slightly faster because of a little stronger compute power and faster GDDRX5 memory.
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Zipzeolocke
and one more thing- I don't think I need reviews to predict the future, I can almost guarantee the 9700k is going to be 10% to 20% better and performance compared to the 8700k- Whether or not you want to pay the price for that small percentage performance is going to be up to the individual. Keep in mind I'm saying this before the review embargo is lifted so I will be curious to find out how accurate I am with these numbers
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and one more thing- I don't think I need reviews to predict the future, I can almost guarantee the 9700k is going to be 10% to 20% better and performance compared to the 8700k- Whether or not you want to pay the price for that small percentage performance is going to be up to the individual. Keep in mind I'm saying this before the review embargo is lifted so I will be curious to find out how accurate I am with these numbers
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