Why We Delayed our Ryzen 5 and 7/Zen 5 Reviews - LIVE
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Date: 2024-08-08
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eilegz
People need to calm down, Intel pushed the limits and its failing hard, people was not happy last gen about 95c CPU as default settings or out of box experience. Now AMD gave us what we wanted a efficient chip, low power consuption and default settings that its not risky, you want more performance then do what always have been done OC without limits and get that performance. I dont see how its that wrong. Sure things could be better but we cant demand both things.
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People need to calm down, Intel pushed the limits and its failing hard, people was not happy last gen about 95c CPU as default settings or out of box experience. Now AMD gave us what we wanted a efficient chip, low power consuption and default settings that its not risky, you want more performance then do what always have been done OC without limits and get that performance. I dont see how its that wrong. Sure things could be better but we cant demand both things.
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quagmire321able
I am not sure if the issue is that the results you are getting (PCWorld) is not close to what AMD provided as guidance or is it that you found that the results isn't showing a huge improvement that is the an issue If its the later, I think what I see is the 9700x is a great improvement, it is sipping close to half the power to the previous gen with nearly the same performance; I would think that is great in any engineer's book ;-)
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I am not sure if the issue is that the results you are getting (PCWorld) is not close to what AMD provided as guidance or is it that you found that the results isn't showing a huge improvement that is the an issue If its the later, I think what I see is the 9700x is a great improvement, it is sipping close to half the power to the previous gen with nearly the same performance; I would think that is great in any engineer's book ;-)
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PowellCat745
52:30 ASRock normally doesn't run high VSOC voltages. That's ASUS. 1.25V is unnecessary but it won't matter much if you enable PBO with motherboard limits. You're looking at about a 5W difference in SOC power consumption by lowering VSOC from 1.25V to 1.2V. Because 65W (80W PPT) is so restrictive, every additional power becomes necessary. FYI, most people should be able to run their SOC at 1.15V.
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52:30 ASRock normally doesn't run high VSOC voltages. That's ASUS. 1.25V is unnecessary but it won't matter much if you enable PBO with motherboard limits. You're looking at about a 5W difference in SOC power consumption by lowering VSOC from 1.25V to 1.2V. Because 65W (80W PPT) is so restrictive, every additional power becomes necessary. FYI, most people should be able to run their SOC at 1.15V.
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SirSomnolent
Im really confused by the response of the tech community. Did they think there was magic in the cpu We drop power by as much as 40% and increase instructions by 20% In one gen We already knew the cache specs... And few even testee pbo even though in the non x proc reviews of last year, they all did.
Everyone should have known the way they setup their reviews would yield this result
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Im really confused by the response of the tech community. Did they think there was magic in the cpu We drop power by as much as 40% and increase instructions by 20% In one gen We already knew the cache specs... And few even testee pbo even though in the non x proc reviews of last year, they all did.
Everyone should have known the way they setup their reviews would yield this result
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Edsdrafts
AMD played safe sure but they also laid the ground for their newest design.
I also have a feeling there's some issues at the fab everyone is avoiding talking about. Maybe as we are going even smaller nm numbers, the yelds are becoming much worse and there are unforseen issues.
Besides, it's not like Intel has anything to compete with right now. That's not helping anyone really.
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AMD played safe sure but they also laid the ground for their newest design.
I also have a feeling there's some issues at the fab everyone is avoiding talking about. Maybe as we are going even smaller nm numbers, the yelds are becoming much worse and there are unforseen issues.
Besides, it's not like Intel has anything to compete with right now. That's not helping anyone really.
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pcworld
imo this is worst cpu release in ages, like none of the intel copypaste 6-9gen was this bad.. (unsure if 10 and 11 are of the same vein..) also, im now fear of ZEN 6 being another of this kind, with no real performance uplift, give that i got 7800X3D relatively recently with the plan to replace it with ZEN 6 with huge improvements in couple of years..
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imo this is worst cpu release in ages, like none of the intel copypaste 6-9gen was this bad.. (unsure if 10 and 11 are of the same vein..) also, im now fear of ZEN 6 being another of this kind, with no real performance uplift, give that i got 7800X3D relatively recently with the plan to replace it with ZEN 6 with huge improvements in couple of years..
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aggies11
If this is what the perf was on the chips AFTER the delay, I wonder what they were BEFORE AMD needed to delay to make their fixes Strange the Power gate this chip enough that it doesn't beat it's last gen replacement, unless they are having trouble segmenting the rest of the stack So down play the 9700 to make the 98 and 9900 look better
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If this is what the perf was on the chips AFTER the delay, I wonder what they were BEFORE AMD needed to delay to make their fixes Strange the Power gate this chip enough that it doesn't beat it's last gen replacement, unless they are having trouble segmenting the rest of the stack So down play the 9700 to make the 98 and 9900 look better
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Mr11ESSE111
this zen5 cpus are pretty bad in performance vs zen4 or especially 7800x3d while costing basically same !!we watch tons of horshit leaks with nonsense garbage tales all this months and 2 years to get cpus whichnhave 3% better average performance over zen4 counterparts !!of course AMD lies too on CES and later with own horshit benches
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this zen5 cpus are pretty bad in performance vs zen4 or especially 7800x3d while costing basically same !!we watch tons of horshit leaks with nonsense garbage tales all this months and 2 years to get cpus whichnhave 3% better average performance over zen4 counterparts !!of course AMD lies too on CES and later with own horshit benches
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jeffrobertson8977
So these graphs show something that seems fairly obvious. The ST performance is as expected but the MT is not because AMD screwed up the power settings and the chips are power limited under MT conditions. The 8 core chip should have been a 105W part, I bet if you turn PBO on you will get the proper numbers.
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So these graphs show something that seems fairly obvious. The ST performance is as expected but the MT is not because AMD screwed up the power settings and the chips are power limited under MT conditions. The 8 core chip should have been a 105W part, I bet if you turn PBO on you will get the proper numbers.
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Ben-Rogue
If AMD meant to release a new CPU that performed basically the same as the old one, but with less power consumption, I think they really need to move the stack down a tier. The 9700X should've been the new x600 part, and so on... There's no reason a x600 must be 6 cores and the x700 and x800 need to be 8 cores
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If AMD meant to release a new CPU that performed basically the same as the old one, but with less power consumption, I think they really need to move the stack down a tier. The 9700X should've been the new x600 part, and so on... There's no reason a x600 must be 6 cores and the x700 and x800 need to be 8 cores
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LeesChannel
As soon as they announced the prices, which were lower than the previous gen, and bearing in mind what a weak position intel is in, I assumed that these chips weren't exactly going to be bangers.
Still, if I was in the market it wouldn't stop me, I like huge efficiency gains, but I'm waiting for AM6.
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As soon as they announced the prices, which were lower than the previous gen, and bearing in mind what a weak position intel is in, I assumed that these chips weren't exactly going to be bangers.
Still, if I was in the market it wouldn't stop me, I like huge efficiency gains, but I'm waiting for AM6.
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peterjansen4826
Large difference with Linus Tech Tips for Cinebench 1T: 132 instead of 135 for the 9700X. Maybe that is just due to Windows-bloat, if it is due to sample to sample variation then it is pretty bad, even with a 135 score the CPU doesn't get the promised single-threaded (boost) clock-frequency.
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Large difference with Linus Tech Tips for Cinebench 1T: 132 instead of 135 for the 9700X. Maybe that is just due to Windows-bloat, if it is due to sample to sample variation then it is pretty bad, even with a 135 score the CPU doesn't get the promised single-threaded (boost) clock-frequency.
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StingyGeek
Not sure this is the type of launch that AMD was looking for. Let's hope the reason for the multistage launch was that AMD expected to take a bath with the power nerfed chips. Hopefully the 9950x is a totally different story. Because looking at this, it's a bust until the next generation.
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Not sure this is the type of launch that AMD was looking for. Let's hope the reason for the multistage launch was that AMD expected to take a bath with the power nerfed chips. Hopefully the 9950x is a totally different story. Because looking at this, it's a bust until the next generation.
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aggies11
Sounds like a challenging review. Unexpected Perf, a review guide with some misleading data, and Adam and not Gordon running the testing, I can see why you'd want to play it safe. Shame that it was not you guys but actually AMD. That's integrity. Disappointing on AMDs end.
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Sounds like a challenging review. Unexpected Perf, a review guide with some misleading data, and Adam and not Gordon running the testing, I can see why you'd want to play it safe. Shame that it was not you guys but actually AMD. That's integrity. Disappointing on AMDs end.
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bleack8701
You got 835 out of the 7600x I know things don't compare well accross different systems, but if I shut off everything on my pc and run Cinebench 2024.1.0 I get 680 on my 7600.
Wonder what's causing the difference in performance on my end. It seems quite significant to me
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You got 835 out of the 7600x I know things don't compare well accross different systems, but if I shut off everything on my pc and run Cinebench 2024.1.0 I get 680 on my 7600.
Wonder what's causing the difference in performance on my end. It seems quite significant to me
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DS-pk4eh
I think AMD made mistake naming this cpu 9700x instead of 9700. I understand, they wanted to say Look, we made the cpu having the same speed, but using almost half the power!.
But people are never looking past first numbers or putting things in its actual context.
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I think AMD made mistake naming this cpu 9700x instead of 9700. I understand, they wanted to say Look, we made the cpu having the same speed, but using almost half the power!.
But people are never looking past first numbers or putting things in its actual context.
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pcworld
So now is the time for amd to relese 4 core cpus ryzen 3 Amd when Intel is down for counting or even an Athlon 2 core with hyperthread or 4 core old i4 style -My my old I3 ryzen still games fine but a new i3 that double the performance would be ok
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So now is the time for amd to relese 4 core cpus ryzen 3 Amd when Intel is down for counting or even an Athlon 2 core with hyperthread or 4 core old i4 style -My my old I3 ryzen still games fine but a new i3 that double the performance would be ok
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Matrix1Gamer
Even if the new AMD Ryzen 9000 series chips don't offer a significant performance boost, PC enthusiasts can at least rest assured that these processors are not plagued by the irreversible voltage issues seen in some previous generations.
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Even if the new AMD Ryzen 9000 series chips don't offer a significant performance boost, PC enthusiasts can at least rest assured that these processors are not plagued by the irreversible voltage issues seen in some previous generations.
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spook1614
I have a theory, AMD is watching the intel fiasco, and decided to tune down these chips as a baseline. THIS is how these chips are supposed to be run, and if YOU PBO, and overclock, that's on you... and they don't have to warranty.
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I have a theory, AMD is watching the intel fiasco, and decided to tune down these chips as a baseline. THIS is how these chips are supposed to be run, and if YOU PBO, and overclock, that's on you... and they don't have to warranty.
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mannyc19
9700x is SLOWER then the 7700x both on a RTX 4090 !! lol , Gordon, no need to wait !
AMD Privately confirmed the %'s Steve at HU got with his AMD supplied 9700x Retaik sample ! Arrown Lake will likely beat the 9k series.
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9700x is SLOWER then the 7700x both on a RTX 4090 !! lol , Gordon, no need to wait !
AMD Privately confirmed the %'s Steve at HU got with his AMD supplied 9700x Retaik sample ! Arrown Lake will likely beat the 9k series.
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