What If Valve Made A Steam Deck For The TV
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Date: 2024-07-05
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WyvernDotRed
It's extremely unlikely for Valve to take any actions on your account from using modified versions of SteamOS.
As an example, they seem completely okay with Decky Loader on the factory Deck and the systems like ChimeraOS and Bazzite using their interface.
This isn't much different from setting the Steam application to auto-start to Big Picture mode on other distro's, which more often than not use an unofficial Steam version too.
The only version Valve has outspoken to have issues with is the Snap version used by Ubuntu, as this breaks features that work in the officially supported Ubuntu .deb package.
But even then, this between Valve and Canonical and will not result in any actions taken against you as a user, aside from being asked to switch to the official package when reporting issues.
7:00 This is intentional SteamOS behaviour, for keeping performance good on the 720/800p optimised Deck hardware, using upscaling to stretch the gap.
Which can probably be changed in the (developer) settings, but shouldn't when playing games that use significant resources.
The scaling edge case you mentioned with it shrinking everything to a tiny window probably is a Gamescope issue, with is young and purpose-built software that isn't battle-tester yet outside of Steam Deck.
It's cool that it works as well as it does to begin with at all and impressive that a reboot just fixes this. Along with it adding HDR support as the first actually usable system for it on Linux.
The underlying system of SteamOS is fairly standard Arch Linux, but set up in a weird but clever duel BTRFS partition that updates like Android.
This is why SteamOS is so resilient to problems and compatible to Steam running on other Linux systems. The sleep is more a general Linux thing, depending on configuration.
And also why putting HoloISO on other systems mostly works, but keep in mind that SteamOS is not designed to support NVIDIA, Intel or other non-Steam Deck hardware.
So issues might arise from this, despite the system being easy to adapt for it, like most other Linux distro's really.
I do think that Valve would be able to pull of a Steam Console, but if they do they will probably go the Steam Machines route again and let other SIs build the hardware.
The new Hori Steam Controller is a similar collaboration, which aside from lacking trackpads and rumble is quite fully featured and has native Steam Input support.
But in the meantime, simply running a beginner friendly distro with the same interface as Desktop Mode, like TuxedoOS and installing Steam on this works well too.
These SteamOS like distro's are closer to the Deck, but as a newcomer it's best to stick with the better tested and supported setups, even if those are set up more optimally.
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It's extremely unlikely for Valve to take any actions on your account from using modified versions of SteamOS.
As an example, they seem completely okay with Decky Loader on the factory Deck and the systems like ChimeraOS and Bazzite using their interface.
This isn't much different from setting the Steam application to auto-start to Big Picture mode on other distro's, which more often than not use an unofficial Steam version too.
The only version Valve has outspoken to have issues with is the Snap version used by Ubuntu, as this breaks features that work in the officially supported Ubuntu .deb package.
But even then, this between Valve and Canonical and will not result in any actions taken against you as a user, aside from being asked to switch to the official package when reporting issues.
7:00 This is intentional SteamOS behaviour, for keeping performance good on the 720/800p optimised Deck hardware, using upscaling to stretch the gap.
Which can probably be changed in the (developer) settings, but shouldn't when playing games that use significant resources.
The scaling edge case you mentioned with it shrinking everything to a tiny window probably is a Gamescope issue, with is young and purpose-built software that isn't battle-tester yet outside of Steam Deck.
It's cool that it works as well as it does to begin with at all and impressive that a reboot just fixes this. Along with it adding HDR support as the first actually usable system for it on Linux.
The underlying system of SteamOS is fairly standard Arch Linux, but set up in a weird but clever duel BTRFS partition that updates like Android.
This is why SteamOS is so resilient to problems and compatible to Steam running on other Linux systems. The sleep is more a general Linux thing, depending on configuration.
And also why putting HoloISO on other systems mostly works, but keep in mind that SteamOS is not designed to support NVIDIA, Intel or other non-Steam Deck hardware.
So issues might arise from this, despite the system being easy to adapt for it, like most other Linux distro's really.
I do think that Valve would be able to pull of a Steam Console, but if they do they will probably go the Steam Machines route again and let other SIs build the hardware.
The new Hori Steam Controller is a similar collaboration, which aside from lacking trackpads and rumble is quite fully featured and has native Steam Input support.
But in the meantime, simply running a beginner friendly distro with the same interface as Desktop Mode, like TuxedoOS and installing Steam on this works well too.
These SteamOS like distro's are closer to the Deck, but as a newcomer it's best to stick with the better tested and supported setups, even if those are set up more optimally.
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Oceanborn712
I genuinely like the console thing for less tech savvy people but for an experienced and capable user I think there's better solutions. I have both, a full blown gaming PC in a Fractal North next to my TV (this case is just too furniture-ish to not use, it perfectly fits in my living room) running Fedora launching right into Steam Big Picture Mode and a separate emulation box in a Fractal Node 202 (which perfectly fits into the openings that used to hold DVD/BD players or gaming consoles and makes that space less useless) running batocera.linux hooked up to my TV and it perfectly replaces gaming consoles with powerful hardware that runs it properly. The Ryzen 8700G is a fantastic piece of hardware, albeit a bit expensive compared to a CPUGPU combinations with comparable performance so I'd still avoid it if not dealing with heavy space restrictions) but when I'm playing on a 4k TV I would ideally want 4k performance.
Regarding the point of having to be cheaper than the Deck if they release a Steam Console... They might not have a screen or inputs or a battery, but they still would have to give you a controller and unless they're lazy and just bundle it with an Xbox controller, they'd actually have to design a new controller to deliver with it. No way would that thing be cheaper than the Deck.
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I genuinely like the console thing for less tech savvy people but for an experienced and capable user I think there's better solutions. I have both, a full blown gaming PC in a Fractal North next to my TV (this case is just too furniture-ish to not use, it perfectly fits in my living room) running Fedora launching right into Steam Big Picture Mode and a separate emulation box in a Fractal Node 202 (which perfectly fits into the openings that used to hold DVD/BD players or gaming consoles and makes that space less useless) running batocera.linux hooked up to my TV and it perfectly replaces gaming consoles with powerful hardware that runs it properly. The Ryzen 8700G is a fantastic piece of hardware, albeit a bit expensive compared to a CPUGPU combinations with comparable performance so I'd still avoid it if not dealing with heavy space restrictions) but when I'm playing on a 4k TV I would ideally want 4k performance.
Regarding the point of having to be cheaper than the Deck if they release a Steam Console... They might not have a screen or inputs or a battery, but they still would have to give you a controller and unless they're lazy and just bundle it with an Xbox controller, they'd actually have to design a new controller to deliver with it. No way would that thing be cheaper than the Deck.
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techieg33k
I still think Nintendo has had great luck with the dual functionality of the Switch and i think Valve could make the docking and controller pairing better on the next version and keep with the dual function (handheld and tv), then release the official SteamOS for other hardware vendors to make hardware they want. CEC needs worked on for certain
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I still think Nintendo has had great luck with the dual functionality of the Switch and i think Valve could make the docking and controller pairing better on the next version and keep with the dual function (handheld and tv), then release the official SteamOS for other hardware vendors to make hardware they want. CEC needs worked on for certain
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baysidejr
Bazzite or chimera os is the way. Bazzite if its going to run nvidia or intel and you want a great desktop experience. Chimera os if you are sticking with amd , its got great remote control features built in which is nice to admin it from your pc remotely and not at the tv with a kb and mouse.
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Bazzite or chimera os is the way. Bazzite if its going to run nvidia or intel and you want a great desktop experience. Chimera os if you are sticking with amd , its got great remote control features built in which is nice to admin it from your pc remotely and not at the tv with a kb and mouse.
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ZaberfangX
There alot office pc on ebay and other places becoming e-waste due to windows 11, with a good cpu in it and a 2nd hand AMD video card can make a Steam Machine on the cheap just don't use holoISO on it, use other steam os like from Bazzite, Chimera, Nobara, and Cachyos.
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There alot office pc on ebay and other places becoming e-waste due to windows 11, with a good cpu in it and a 2nd hand AMD video card can make a Steam Machine on the cheap just don't use holoISO on it, use other steam os like from Bazzite, Chimera, Nobara, and Cachyos.
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drewnewby
Bazzite, ChimeraOS, HoloISO, none on distrowatch, anyone know why
These 7840U / 8840U based mini PCs need to come down in price soon to be a viable option. Worse, there are too many preloaded with bloat or malware from less than reputable manufacturers.
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Bazzite, ChimeraOS, HoloISO, none on distrowatch, anyone know why
These 7840U / 8840U based mini PCs need to come down in price soon to be a viable option. Worse, there are too many preloaded with bloat or malware from less than reputable manufacturers.
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frankseyen9156
I wouldn't have picked Holo Iso, it's end of life since a year. BazziteOS, ChimeraOS or even Nobara Handheld Edition or CachyOS Handheld Edition would have been a much better choice.
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I wouldn't have picked Holo Iso, it's end of life since a year. BazziteOS, ChimeraOS or even Nobara Handheld Edition or CachyOS Handheld Edition would have been a much better choice.
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oli41770
I've like Chimera OS better than Holo ISO. I put it on a 7800 X3D and a 7900 XTX system and my only headache has been getting modding support on this Linux arch base OS.
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I've like Chimera OS better than Holo ISO. I put it on a 7800 X3D and a 7900 XTX system and my only headache has been getting modding support on this Linux arch base OS.
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pcworld
Steam has API's for developpers targeting the Steam Deck so some things might not be fluid as on the Steam Deck unless you're using a Linux distro similar to SteamOS.
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Steam has API's for developpers targeting the Steam Deck so some things might not be fluid as on the Steam Deck unless you're using a Linux distro similar to SteamOS.
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JMartinni
Most of the stuff he said about the SteamDeck at the beginning you'd have to do with the mini-PC as well, plus other extra steps. Not that it really matters...
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Most of the stuff he said about the SteamDeck at the beginning you'd have to do with the mini-PC as well, plus other extra steps. Not that it really matters...
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Tainted79
I would love a steam link 2, I missed out on purchasing the 1st steam link, when they had their fire sale. Wish I had one now.
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I would love a steam link 2, I missed out on purchasing the 1st steam link, when they had their fire sale. Wish I had one now.
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