MSI & Radeon Breakup, Mobo Performance VS Stability, & More - The Full Nerd ep. 299
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Date: 2024-05-01
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RobBCactive
Usual PCW corporate excuses as if nobody pointed out Intel were pushing RPL very hard well up the power wall to be competitive.
Intel allowed use of unlimited PL2 and unvalidated settings by default, forcing motherboard set ups to win benchmarks in reviews. Not over clocking but out of power specs leading to higher thermal or when well cooled massive power use.
Intel simply hasn't validated what mobos are supplying and the result is backed up RMAs.
Higher voltage stabilises bottom of bin chips at boost frequencies, so was the quick fix to postpone RMAs and maintain margins.
If you use the Intel specs the performance drops below the Zen competition while using much more power so unacceptable to Intel's marketing.
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Usual PCW corporate excuses as if nobody pointed out Intel were pushing RPL very hard well up the power wall to be competitive.
Intel allowed use of unlimited PL2 and unvalidated settings by default, forcing motherboard set ups to win benchmarks in reviews. Not over clocking but out of power specs leading to higher thermal or when well cooled massive power use.
Intel simply hasn't validated what mobos are supplying and the result is backed up RMAs.
Higher voltage stabilises bottom of bin chips at boost frequencies, so was the quick fix to postpone RMAs and maintain margins.
If you use the Intel specs the performance drops below the Zen competition while using much more power so unacceptable to Intel's marketing.
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michaelrfx7
Always awesome to see Gordon!! Welcome back Gordon, such a blessing to have someone of your stature to be on to educate and humor us at the same time! Seriously, great to see you! Another person you have to continue having is Russ from Retro Game Corp as a regular please, I will advocate until he is a regular, such an even keeled person with great and honest insight! And always great to have Will, dude is simply unmatched when it comes to the amount of knowledge some can obtain and is well researched, incredible mind. What a crew!! Please get Russ back into the fold!!
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Always awesome to see Gordon!! Welcome back Gordon, such a blessing to have someone of your stature to be on to educate and humor us at the same time! Seriously, great to see you! Another person you have to continue having is Russ from Retro Game Corp as a regular please, I will advocate until he is a regular, such an even keeled person with great and honest insight! And always great to have Will, dude is simply unmatched when it comes to the amount of knowledge some can obtain and is well researched, incredible mind. What a crew!! Please get Russ back into the fold!!
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johndoh5182
MSI is simply seeing the sales of Radeon and it's not good. RDNA 2 was decent, the quality of RDNA 2 is really good, but still the sales wasn't very good.
RDNA 3 sucks except the 7600, when priced around $250. RDNA 4 has the top end dropping out because AMD is cutting it so they'll only have mid and low end.
If RDNA 5 comes out and it's excellent AND AMD can figure out how to have good drivers consistently INCLUDING at launch to where reviewers can't bash it then I imagine MSI may get back into Radeon.
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MSI is simply seeing the sales of Radeon and it's not good. RDNA 2 was decent, the quality of RDNA 2 is really good, but still the sales wasn't very good.
RDNA 3 sucks except the 7600, when priced around $250. RDNA 4 has the top end dropping out because AMD is cutting it so they'll only have mid and low end.
If RDNA 5 comes out and it's excellent AND AMD can figure out how to have good drivers consistently INCLUDING at launch to where reviewers can't bash it then I imagine MSI may get back into Radeon.
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bertnijhof5413
My top movies: Casablanca, High Noon; The Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far. I missed WW2 by less than a week, but I watched the filming of A Bridge Too Far with the C47s (DC-3), the parachute drops and the fake buildings next to the bridge in Deventer (faking Arnhem) used for the movie. I also lived and worked in Nijmegen, the bridge before Arnhem taken by the 82nd Airborne division.
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My top movies: Casablanca, High Noon; The Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far. I missed WW2 by less than a week, but I watched the filming of A Bridge Too Far with the C47s (DC-3), the parachute drops and the fake buildings next to the bridge in Deventer (faking Arnhem) used for the movie. I also lived and worked in Nijmegen, the bridge before Arnhem taken by the 82nd Airborne division.
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cacheman
57:51 I question these Intel baseline 'fixes' _if_ they crank the voltage to regain stability. Sure, your already degraded CPU will now run Cinebench again, but for how long Surely the fix should be to lower power limits AND power draw, which means _less_ voltage is the actual fix if you want to avoid electromigration, the most likely root cause IMO.
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57:51 I question these Intel baseline 'fixes' _if_ they crank the voltage to regain stability. Sure, your already degraded CPU will now run Cinebench again, but for how long Surely the fix should be to lower power limits AND power draw, which means _less_ voltage is the actual fix if you want to avoid electromigration, the most likely root cause IMO.
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bertnijhof5413
I keep my motherboard for 10 years, from 2008 till 2019 a HP 5850 with a Phenom X3 (2.3 GHz) and later with a Phenom II X4 (3.2 GHz) and since May 2019 a ASRock B450 HDV 4.0 with a Ryzen 3 2200G (4C4T; 3.7 GHz) and soon a Ryzen 5 5600G, which is 3x faster :)
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I keep my motherboard for 10 years, from 2008 till 2019 a HP 5850 with a Phenom X3 (2.3 GHz) and later with a Phenom II X4 (3.2 GHz) and since May 2019 a ASRock B450 HDV 4.0 with a Ryzen 3 2200G (4C4T; 3.7 GHz) and soon a Ryzen 5 5600G, which is 3x faster :)
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anonymous_coward
Gordon's history of chipsets is complete nonsense. intel always made supporting chips for their cpus. If you want the actual history you can watch the Asianometry video on the history of AMD.
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Gordon's history of chipsets is complete nonsense. intel always made supporting chips for their cpus. If you want the actual history you can watch the Asianometry video on the history of AMD.
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GlassPup
1:16:34 If I depended on my machine for my job, I wouldn’t use consumer gaming parts. Will used an ASUS Z790 APEX motherboard in a mission critical machine, which is a terrible idea.
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1:16:34 If I depended on my machine for my job, I wouldn’t use consumer gaming parts. Will used an ASUS Z790 APEX motherboard in a mission critical machine, which is a terrible idea.
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organicwest
Had too many issues back in the day with Micro Star International back in the day. Too many extra trips to the computer store for replacement parts.
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Had too many issues back in the day with Micro Star International back in the day. Too many extra trips to the computer store for replacement parts.
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Luthair
You can also buy OBD2 pretty relocators, basically unhook your port and move it under the dash, and replace it with a fake port which triggers an alarm
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You can also buy OBD2 pretty relocators, basically unhook your port and move it under the dash, and replace it with a fake port which triggers an alarm
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churblefurbles
Aliens is more fun, I watched the rerelease of Alien and its a space horror experience, but its not something to watch casually.
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Aliens is more fun, I watched the rerelease of Alien and its a space horror experience, but its not something to watch casually.
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churblefurbles
All the money they spent on the new mediocre series could have been used to remaster every past Trek series, its just a crime.
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All the money they spent on the new mediocre series could have been used to remaster every past Trek series, its just a crime.
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