Intel Optane Memory H10 SSD review: More responsive, yet slower too
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Date: 2022-03-15
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So I am late to the party. Too bad for me, but the reality is I am actually putting together my system very soon. Already have all the parts except for one. The H-10 is easily procured if you want it in your desktop, and it's not terribly expensive. As I see it the problem is the optane portion uses two lanes and the NVMe SSD portion is left with the other two lanes; as I understand it. Normal NVMe M2 SSD's usually get all four. Furthermore, you need a motherboard and processer that can deal with bifurcation. Even if you have that you may have to deal with some complicated BIOS updates and settings. Might be wrong there. I know you would if you wanted to set a couple of them up in RAID which is what I would want to do since I already decided to use an 800P for a boot drive. Originally I had planned on a couple of Western Digital Black 7200 mechanical SATA HDD's in raid backed up with M2 Optane cache. Possibly even a couple of SATA SSD's. I have three M2 slots on my Z390 Meg ACE. I'm not even sure how optane cache interacts with the two drives in raid. Would I assign optane to each one, or does optane work for both drives in raid as if they were one drive? I do have two other slots I could use for optane supporting my raid data drive. I already have my 800P. The last part I need is my storage. I've considered SATA SSD. 's; SATA HHD's, and even a couple of Intel H10's M2's in raid. Then I found this option; WD_BLACK- AN1500 NVMe- SSD Add-in-Card. Look it up. I'm stuck on what to do. I've even considering grabbing another 800P to make a RAID boot drive. Here's hoping someone reading this comment can narrow the choices down for me, or give me a better idea than any I have mentioned.
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So I am late to the party. Too bad for me, but the reality is I am actually putting together my system very soon. Already have all the parts except for one. The H-10 is easily procured if you want it in your desktop, and it's not terribly expensive. As I see it the problem is the optane portion uses two lanes and the NVMe SSD portion is left with the other two lanes; as I understand it. Normal NVMe M2 SSD's usually get all four. Furthermore, you need a motherboard and processer that can deal with bifurcation. Even if you have that you may have to deal with some complicated BIOS updates and settings. Might be wrong there. I know you would if you wanted to set a couple of them up in RAID which is what I would want to do since I already decided to use an 800P for a boot drive. Originally I had planned on a couple of Western Digital Black 7200 mechanical SATA HDD's in raid backed up with M2 Optane cache. Possibly even a couple of SATA SSD's. I have three M2 slots on my Z390 Meg ACE. I'm not even sure how optane cache interacts with the two drives in raid. Would I assign optane to each one, or does optane work for both drives in raid as if they were one drive? I do have two other slots I could use for optane supporting my raid data drive. I already have my 800P. The last part I need is my storage. I've considered SATA SSD. 's; SATA HHD's, and even a couple of Intel H10's M2's in raid. Then I found this option; WD_BLACK- AN1500 NVMe- SSD Add-in-Card. Look it up. I'm stuck on what to do. I've even considering grabbing another 800P to make a RAID boot drive. Here's hoping someone reading this comment can narrow the choices down for me, or give me a better idea than any I have mentioned.
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Agboola
I have the HP Spectre X360 15 - 2018 and 2019. Both are of the same specifications.
I run Ubuntu 19. 04 on both of them because I'm not really a fan of having windows as my base OS so i run windows on VM's.
So testing i tend to push my hard drives to the extreme when running my VM's.
Yeah so the SSD on the 2018 Model is Samsung 960 EVO and that 2019 Model is the new Intel Optane Memory H10 SSD.
Honestly when I run the VM on the '18 Machine feels like heaven, shutting down and restarting. Feels like a normal PC.
But on the '19, Feels good works normally. BUT I'm never able to shutdown my VM. Also boot up time is like a few seconds slow on the base OS.
I'm thinking of taking out the Optane and replacing it with the 960 EVO to see if i'd get the same performance on the '19 Laptop.
Cos I'm mostly in my VM and I always got other applications running on my base OS.
But thanks for the review, it was sure fun to watch.
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I have the HP Spectre X360 15 - 2018 and 2019. Both are of the same specifications.
I run Ubuntu 19. 04 on both of them because I'm not really a fan of having windows as my base OS so i run windows on VM's.
So testing i tend to push my hard drives to the extreme when running my VM's.
Yeah so the SSD on the 2018 Model is Samsung 960 EVO and that 2019 Model is the new Intel Optane Memory H10 SSD.
Honestly when I run the VM on the '18 Machine feels like heaven, shutting down and restarting. Feels like a normal PC.
But on the '19, Feels good works normally. BUT I'm never able to shutdown my VM. Also boot up time is like a few seconds slow on the base OS.
I'm thinking of taking out the Optane and replacing it with the 960 EVO to see if i'd get the same performance on the '19 Laptop.
Cos I'm mostly in my VM and I always got other applications running on my base OS.
But thanks for the review, it was sure fun to watch.
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emmgeevideo
You skipped quickly over the most common use cases: I-m at work doing a mix of opening email, replying to email, creating a spreadsheet, printing a Word doc, creating a PowerPoint presentation. how does that help me? I fly a lot. Everyone has a laptop. I-ll bet that the number of people who are copying huge files from one place onmhard drive to another while needing to open an application is between slim and none. How does Optane help the road warrior? You-re happy with yourself because you didn-t use synthetic tests and then you created some of the least real-world tests imaginable. My take-away from this is that in today-s SSD-based laptop world, Optane H10 is the equivalent of snake oil. Yes there is a price premium and all HP says is -Faster! - Bah, humbug.
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You skipped quickly over the most common use cases: I-m at work doing a mix of opening email, replying to email, creating a spreadsheet, printing a Word doc, creating a PowerPoint presentation. how does that help me? I fly a lot. Everyone has a laptop. I-ll bet that the number of people who are copying huge files from one place onmhard drive to another while needing to open an application is between slim and none. How does Optane help the road warrior? You-re happy with yourself because you didn-t use synthetic tests and then you created some of the least real-world tests imaginable. My take-away from this is that in today-s SSD-based laptop world, Optane H10 is the equivalent of snake oil. Yes there is a price premium and all HP says is -Faster! - Bah, humbug.
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Angdrico
Hello. I want to buy a laptop but i really confused bc of the specs and price of these laptops have only little differences. They are HP OMEN 15-dc1090tx vs Asus VivoBook Pro F571GT.
Differences (or maybe you can check):
OMEN: 144Hz, SSD PCIe NVMe M. 2
VivoBook: 60Hz, SSD PCIe Gen3 x2, and it has Intel Optane 32GB
VivoBok is only $50 cheaper, and i'm okay with the price differences so dont mind it
1. Which SSD is better between those two? Maybe you can recheck again whether i write them wrong.
2. I want to be logo/product designer, gaming a bit but not so gamingholic, multitasker, i wanna run some heavy programs also like ArcGIS, AutoCad, MATLAB etc. so which one should i take? Thankyou so much
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Hello. I want to buy a laptop but i really confused bc of the specs and price of these laptops have only little differences. They are HP OMEN 15-dc1090tx vs Asus VivoBook Pro F571GT.
Differences (or maybe you can check):
OMEN: 144Hz, SSD PCIe NVMe M. 2
VivoBook: 60Hz, SSD PCIe Gen3 x2, and it has Intel Optane 32GB
VivoBok is only $50 cheaper, and i'm okay with the price differences so dont mind it
1. Which SSD is better between those two? Maybe you can recheck again whether i write them wrong.
2. I want to be logo/product designer, gaming a bit but not so gamingholic, multitasker, i wanna run some heavy programs also like ArcGIS, AutoCad, MATLAB etc. so which one should i take? Thankyou so much
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triynizzles
For everyone in 2020 wondering: I have an HP spectre with 1tb H10 and the only noticeable difference between this and a -regular- NVME drive is boot time. Its not super slow but it is slower than my desktop with a 960 Evo. Other than that I don't see any difference in performance. I do use Lightroom and photoshop often and id say there's no perceivable advantage / disadvantage. Since these are OEM drives its likely that the computer it is installed on isnt a crazy fast flagship. Its likely that any perceived -slowness- is coming from a different component bottlenecking the pc. (slow ram, low core count cpu, etc)
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For everyone in 2020 wondering: I have an HP spectre with 1tb H10 and the only noticeable difference between this and a -regular- NVME drive is boot time. Its not super slow but it is slower than my desktop with a 960 Evo. Other than that I don't see any difference in performance. I do use Lightroom and photoshop often and id say there's no perceivable advantage / disadvantage. Since these are OEM drives its likely that the computer it is installed on isnt a crazy fast flagship. Its likely that any perceived -slowness- is coming from a different component bottlenecking the pc. (slow ram, low core count cpu, etc)
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Mr.
This new Optane+QLC combo was made in extremely strange way, 2lanes for Optane + 2 lanes for QLC and driver control.
Why not just put a chunk of Optane, 32gb or whatever as cache on SSD drive, like part of the drive, same way SSHD have nand cache mixed with HDD and its on all part of same drive and invisible to user or the OS.
This way they can use all 4 PCIe lanes for the SSD and Optane will be part of the caching, 1gb DDR3/DDR4>32gb Opatne Cache> SLC Cache > QLC NAND
Or make it simple and cheaper 32/64gb Optane > QLC NAND, no need for DDR and SLC
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This new Optane+QLC combo was made in extremely strange way, 2lanes for Optane + 2 lanes for QLC and driver control.
Why not just put a chunk of Optane, 32gb or whatever as cache on SSD drive, like part of the drive, same way SSHD have nand cache mixed with HDD and its on all part of same drive and invisible to user or the OS.
This way they can use all 4 PCIe lanes for the SSD and Optane will be part of the caching, 1gb DDR3/DDR4>32gb Opatne Cache> SLC Cache > QLC NAND
Or make it simple and cheaper 32/64gb Optane > QLC NAND, no need for DDR and SLC
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Martin
Why nobody really understand power of the Optane, copying and unpacking big files is a rare user case and standard SATA SSD is good for it, try to use it for small random blocks for example compile, simulations, database and general daily software use where it read/write small amount of data then optane shines. I use Optane 905p for Ansys simulations and compilations disc where I save every project and working directory it improve overall performance a lot but using Optane for daily gaming\media user is waste of money.
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Why nobody really understand power of the Optane, copying and unpacking big files is a rare user case and standard SATA SSD is good for it, try to use it for small random blocks for example compile, simulations, database and general daily software use where it read/write small amount of data then optane shines. I use Optane 905p for Ansys simulations and compilations disc where I save every project and working directory it improve overall performance a lot but using Optane for daily gaming\media user is waste of money.
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The
-pc world. Going put ya on the spot. but what about the difference in comparison against the Intel 905p and Samsung 980 Evo plus and it being on high end desktop rig?
I rather know more rults in comparison, in comparing it in that way and giving me more info to knowing if it any better or not - in comparing it to the rest of the SSD out there.
And I heard, as I been reading, that the 905p out does it. if it true. big question is. does it do better performance then Samsung beat ssd? If so. then how much?
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-pc world. Going put ya on the spot. but what about the difference in comparison against the Intel 905p and Samsung 980 Evo plus and it being on high end desktop rig?
I rather know more rults in comparison, in comparing it in that way and giving me more info to knowing if it any better or not - in comparing it to the rest of the SSD out there.
And I heard, as I been reading, that the 905p out does it. if it true. big question is. does it do better performance then Samsung beat ssd? If so. then how much?
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Eric
I have two questions about the Intel Optane memory pertaining to desktops and laptops. First, can I use Intel Optane memory (m. 2 slot) on a motherboard that has an m. 2 SSD and spinning hard drive if the motherboard has 2 m. 2 slots since many desktop motherboards and some new laptops like the 2019 Acer Nitro 5 have 2 m. 2 slots? Second, can the Intel Optane memory boost both the hard drive and SSD if adding it to the system is achievable?
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I have two questions about the Intel Optane memory pertaining to desktops and laptops. First, can I use Intel Optane memory (m. 2 slot) on a motherboard that has an m. 2 SSD and spinning hard drive if the motherboard has 2 m. 2 slots since many desktop motherboards and some new laptops like the 2019 Acer Nitro 5 have 2 m. 2 slots? Second, can the Intel Optane memory boost both the hard drive and SSD if adding it to the system is achievable?
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khetilya
its been some years since intel prezented to the crowed th optain memory but as the years pass the optain memory/ssd remained expensive and not widely adopted because of the big price as the options in 2019 at a lower price available on the market with little to no diference there for one might conclude intel optain = epic fail
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its been some years since intel prezented to the crowed th optain memory but as the years pass the optain memory/ssd remained expensive and not widely adopted because of the big price as the options in 2019 at a lower price available on the market with little to no diference there for one might conclude intel optain = epic fail
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