HW News - Intel P-Core Only CPUs, ASUS Updates, RTX 5090 & Battlemage Rumors
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Date: 2024-07-22
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enilenis
P/E core split is completely idiotic. Kills backwards compatibility on apps that are only aware of standard hyperthreading. Right now, if you don't want such garbage, then you are forced to hover at 11th Gen, which they are making incompatible with the newest Windows OS (override possible, but that's not the point). They are considered obsolete by the industry, even though I have machines running a datacenter that go as far back as 7th gen. AMD has no such shenanigans, but they also had socket power regulation and microcode issues. I've built AMD systems for friends. Last one had memory issues. Though on Intels I had memory issues as well, so both platforms fail equally in that regard. Right now, for current gen I see no options other than AMD, even though I don't like them as a brand. Right now, they are the best option for casual and business consumer. Next Intel CPU will have to be tested for stability, and likely it will also contain errors. Can't recommend, till proven otherwise. If you can afford a Threadripper for pro work - get it. Even the last gen. They're still kickass. For Nvidia, if you I'd stay on 3000 series, unless you absolutely need more VRAM. For me stability and long term service expenses are top priority, in a data management business. Speed is the last item on the list. Everything is fast and performance gains on new gen is marginal. They're not important. Stability and cost. That's it! In that aspect, Intel I no longer consider a viable chipmaker.
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P/E core split is completely idiotic. Kills backwards compatibility on apps that are only aware of standard hyperthreading. Right now, if you don't want such garbage, then you are forced to hover at 11th Gen, which they are making incompatible with the newest Windows OS (override possible, but that's not the point). They are considered obsolete by the industry, even though I have machines running a datacenter that go as far back as 7th gen. AMD has no such shenanigans, but they also had socket power regulation and microcode issues. I've built AMD systems for friends. Last one had memory issues. Though on Intels I had memory issues as well, so both platforms fail equally in that regard. Right now, for current gen I see no options other than AMD, even though I don't like them as a brand. Right now, they are the best option for casual and business consumer. Next Intel CPU will have to be tested for stability, and likely it will also contain errors. Can't recommend, till proven otherwise. If you can afford a Threadripper for pro work - get it. Even the last gen. They're still kickass. For Nvidia, if you I'd stay on 3000 series, unless you absolutely need more VRAM. For me stability and long term service expenses are top priority, in a data management business. Speed is the last item on the list. Everything is fast and performance gains on new gen is marginal. They're not important. Stability and cost. That's it! In that aspect, Intel I no longer consider a viable chipmaker.
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momoanddudu
Re tracking people via cell towers.
About 25 years ago, my room mate had an affair with her ex, who was married. At some point, his wife suspected her husband was having an affair with his ex. Both had cell phones from the same provider. And the wife worked for that cell provider. So she pulled their location history, found out when and where they were together, e.g. at a motel that rents rooms by the hour. As he didn't want to divorce her, he didn't go to court. And turns out the cell provider doesn't keep track of which of their employees look at the geo location data, and whether they had cause, so that was that.
The U.S. has a strong fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine. Israeli courts care a lot more about the truth than how evidence were acquired, so their attitude is, depending on the type of court, someplace between not caring to balancing it against other factors. Chances are if the wife filed for divorce, the geo location data would have been accepted as evidence.
Now ask yourself - if you were living in Israel, would you like to be married to a person working for your cell provider
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Re tracking people via cell towers.
About 25 years ago, my room mate had an affair with her ex, who was married. At some point, his wife suspected her husband was having an affair with his ex. Both had cell phones from the same provider. And the wife worked for that cell provider. So she pulled their location history, found out when and where they were together, e.g. at a motel that rents rooms by the hour. As he didn't want to divorce her, he didn't go to court. And turns out the cell provider doesn't keep track of which of their employees look at the geo location data, and whether they had cause, so that was that.
The U.S. has a strong fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine. Israeli courts care a lot more about the truth than how evidence were acquired, so their attitude is, depending on the type of court, someplace between not caring to balancing it against other factors. Chances are if the wife filed for divorce, the geo location data would have been accepted as evidence.
Now ask yourself - if you were living in Israel, would you like to be married to a person working for your cell provider
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gamersnexus
On the HP printers, Maybe I should join that lawsuit, HP made me hate HATE HATE printers so much I stopped using them altogether, not just HP, but EVERY printer. When people would try to ditch their old printer off on me and I saw it was the HP, I'd make the sign of the cross and hiss at it and yell, Get thee behind me Satan! You might think I'm joking on that, No I'm serious. If Satan were a Printer, He'd be an HP hands down. I got a free Epson out of a dumpster a few yrs ago, Epson W3640, it's really nice and there was nothing wrong with it at all AND AND...you can use re-manufactured cartridges which are dirt cheap. It did make a note in memory I was using third party cartridges for warranty info, but it still functioned normally. It didn't HP ya, like disabling the scan feature as well until you bought more ink...that literally caused me to pour gasoline on the damn thing and set it on fire.....despite the environmental harm it caused, I was that freaking pissed off.
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On the HP printers, Maybe I should join that lawsuit, HP made me hate HATE HATE printers so much I stopped using them altogether, not just HP, but EVERY printer. When people would try to ditch their old printer off on me and I saw it was the HP, I'd make the sign of the cross and hiss at it and yell, Get thee behind me Satan! You might think I'm joking on that, No I'm serious. If Satan were a Printer, He'd be an HP hands down. I got a free Epson out of a dumpster a few yrs ago, Epson W3640, it's really nice and there was nothing wrong with it at all AND AND...you can use re-manufactured cartridges which are dirt cheap. It did make a note in memory I was using third party cartridges for warranty info, but it still functioned normally. It didn't HP ya, like disabling the scan feature as well until you bought more ink...that literally caused me to pour gasoline on the damn thing and set it on fire.....despite the environmental harm it caused, I was that freaking pissed off.
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Meditations2024
Intel using TSMC instead of their own EUV fabs is what you call addition by subtraction. Taking up fab space so your competitors cannot use it, and opening opportunities to gain market share in the process.
I don't know what intel's EUV capacity is relative to TSMC, but reports have said Intel has purchased more of the EUV lasers than TSMC, which means sooner or later they could conceivably surpass TSMC in leading edge capacity. Assuming they can get them dialed in as well as TSMC has done.
There are geopolitical forces at play too. TSMC isn't the most secure supplier of wafers right now, & if intel does surpass them, they could become even less secure.
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Intel using TSMC instead of their own EUV fabs is what you call addition by subtraction. Taking up fab space so your competitors cannot use it, and opening opportunities to gain market share in the process.
I don't know what intel's EUV capacity is relative to TSMC, but reports have said Intel has purchased more of the EUV lasers than TSMC, which means sooner or later they could conceivably surpass TSMC in leading edge capacity. Assuming they can get them dialed in as well as TSMC has done.
There are geopolitical forces at play too. TSMC isn't the most secure supplier of wafers right now, & if intel does surpass them, they could become even less secure.
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soundspark
The actual reason for that hotkey to disable E-cores is due to the DRM Denuvo, which until the release of the 12th Gen could have issues because the P-cores and E-cores have slightly different CPUID which because the CPUID is used as part of the decryption key can cause either activation failures or crash the game due to decryption failures.
By forcing P-cores only it would ensure the game only sees one set of CPUID and can properly activate and decrypt. Many games got patched to either remove the DRM, update it to a version that is aware of hybrid CPUs, or get a compatibility shim from the Windows 11 operating system.
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The actual reason for that hotkey to disable E-cores is due to the DRM Denuvo, which until the release of the 12th Gen could have issues because the P-cores and E-cores have slightly different CPUID which because the CPUID is used as part of the decryption key can cause either activation failures or crash the game due to decryption failures.
By forcing P-cores only it would ensure the game only sees one set of CPUID and can properly activate and decrypt. Many games got patched to either remove the DRM, update it to a version that is aware of hybrid CPUs, or get a compatibility shim from the Windows 11 operating system.
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gamersnexus
man, and I only recently bought an intel 12th gen nuc extreme... only to discover the Gigabyte 3070 from my previous build didn't fit (was a matter of a few mm. The measurements in the gpu spec sheet were slightly wrong!). So, I gave that to my wife to replace her RX 580, swapped in my old gtx 1060 as a stop gap and ordered an Asus 4060 on prime day...which had the same issue as the 3070!
I guess my 1060 is stubbornly refusing to die!!!
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Also, your second pronunciation of Panzerlied was right. From what my German wife tells me, it's lied as in to lead. Love your German translation as well! :D
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man, and I only recently bought an intel 12th gen nuc extreme... only to discover the Gigabyte 3070 from my previous build didn't fit (was a matter of a few mm. The measurements in the gpu spec sheet were slightly wrong!). So, I gave that to my wife to replace her RX 580, swapped in my old gtx 1060 as a stop gap and ordered an Asus 4060 on prime day...which had the same issue as the 3070!
I guess my 1060 is stubbornly refusing to die!!!
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Also, your second pronunciation of Panzerlied was right. From what my German wife tells me, it's lied as in to lead. Love your German translation as well! :D
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Meditations2024
I'm Honestly more impressed with Intel's GPU's than AMD's at this point. They are working with the same concept (ASICs) Nvidia is working with essentially, they simply need to improve the basics.
I don't see them abandoning any of it. Gaming isn't the only market for these things. I wouldn't bet on them surpassing Nvidia anytime soon, but it is possible they could surpass AMD should AMD not adapt to the new market dynamics of hardware accelerated upscaling (AI) and Ray Tracing...Game developers are following Nvidia's lead on this. Their market share makes it an obvious course for them.
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I'm Honestly more impressed with Intel's GPU's than AMD's at this point. They are working with the same concept (ASICs) Nvidia is working with essentially, they simply need to improve the basics.
I don't see them abandoning any of it. Gaming isn't the only market for these things. I wouldn't bet on them surpassing Nvidia anytime soon, but it is possible they could surpass AMD should AMD not adapt to the new market dynamics of hardware accelerated upscaling (AI) and Ray Tracing...Game developers are following Nvidia's lead on this. Their market share makes it an obvious course for them.
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david6135
Here is the correct translation:
HP and Instant Ink for Laserjet printers are not longer available
A bit over three years ago, HP was introduced. Every Laserjet-printer with the postfix e is required to be registered as well as having access to the internet and original ink (i.e., no third party ink). Those printers and the Instant Inksubscription will soon no longer be purchasable. For existing customers and customers without Laserjet printers will be no changes.
Note: I did some adjustments to make it more understandable, because its not a well written german text.
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Here is the correct translation:
HP and Instant Ink for Laserjet printers are not longer available
A bit over three years ago, HP was introduced. Every Laserjet-printer with the postfix e is required to be registered as well as having access to the internet and original ink (i.e., no third party ink). Those printers and the Instant Inksubscription will soon no longer be purchasable. For existing customers and customers without Laserjet printers will be no changes.
Note: I did some adjustments to make it more understandable, because its not a well written german text.
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toma.3d
I think it is time for a huge class action lawsuit against Intel and many other companies, they continue selling faulty processors despite being fully aware they will fail miserably very soon, leaving users holding their ...insert whatever here... and companies continuing to lie, deceit, rip off, etc, their customers.
If we as users do not start holding those companies accountable, very soon this will become dystopian CyberPunk era.
I am one of the lucky ones as i moved to AMD completely when Zen 2 came out, so i can sleep, for now...
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I think it is time for a huge class action lawsuit against Intel and many other companies, they continue selling faulty processors despite being fully aware they will fail miserably very soon, leaving users holding their ...insert whatever here... and companies continuing to lie, deceit, rip off, etc, their customers.
If we as users do not start holding those companies accountable, very soon this will become dystopian CyberPunk era.
I am one of the lucky ones as i moved to AMD completely when Zen 2 came out, so i can sleep, for now...
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gamersnexus
I once had to euthanase an adult Kangaroo in outback Australia with a HP printer cable I had when I was moving house. I didn't have a knife or any other humane implement. He was hit by a truck and had very damaged legs. The HP cable was surprisingly durable and I actually wrote to them about how durable their cables were, and never received a response. It was better then getting eating alive by wild dogs/dingo's. HP saved the day that day, too bad their printers were terrible.
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I once had to euthanase an adult Kangaroo in outback Australia with a HP printer cable I had when I was moving house. I didn't have a knife or any other humane implement. He was hit by a truck and had very damaged legs. The HP cable was surprisingly durable and I actually wrote to them about how durable their cables were, and never received a response. It was better then getting eating alive by wild dogs/dingo's. HP saved the day that day, too bad their printers were terrible.
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marks9233
Excited about your Ryzen 9000 reviews, especially how they now work with content creation applications. Can I do a new Ryzen 9000 build instead of Intel, despite Intel's longtime integration with content creation apps (Blender, Premiere Pro, Pudget stuff) and Intel's QuickSync and video encoding functionality (and for gaming..heh) Will the Ryzen 9000 improved performance and architecture make up for any of Intel's past application collaboration advantages
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Excited about your Ryzen 9000 reviews, especially how they now work with content creation applications. Can I do a new Ryzen 9000 build instead of Intel, despite Intel's longtime integration with content creation apps (Blender, Premiere Pro, Pudget stuff) and Intel's QuickSync and video encoding functionality (and for gaming..heh) Will the Ryzen 9000 improved performance and architecture make up for any of Intel's past application collaboration advantages
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willsmith8586
Honestly, there aren't enough new games coming out for me to justify building a new rig. Unless this industry fixes itself, I'll continue to use my five year old rig and play five year old and older games. I don't care about how good the graphics are if the game isn't fun. I do digital art and my current rig runs all my old non subscription based software just fine. Another reason not to upgrade.
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Honestly, there aren't enough new games coming out for me to justify building a new rig. Unless this industry fixes itself, I'll continue to use my five year old rig and play five year old and older games. I don't care about how good the graphics are if the game isn't fun. I do digital art and my current rig runs all my old non subscription based software just fine. Another reason not to upgrade.
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GamersNexus
Fun fact: We didn't cover CrowdStrike because the news came out... while we were trying to travel (this was filmed before that). We got delayed in an airport for 9 hours, had all connecting options evaporate, gave up, and went home. Fortunately, we were still at our home airport when it happened, so didn't get stranded. I'll have something to say about that in the next episode!
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Fun fact: We didn't cover CrowdStrike because the news came out... while we were trying to travel (this was filmed before that). We got delayed in an airport for 9 hours, had all connecting options evaporate, gave up, and went home. Fortunately, we were still at our home airport when it happened, so didn't get stranded. I'll have something to say about that in the next episode!
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HXRDWIREDGaming
The BBB isn't a bureau, never has been. It's not official.
However, there is room here to corner the company - ethics sector. You could stand to help customers and make money with a satellite company that interfaces with product/service providers esp with your reach. While I know you're in tech, this could be a legacy IMO.
Happy to chat if you need.
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The BBB isn't a bureau, never has been. It's not official.
However, there is room here to corner the company - ethics sector. You could stand to help customers and make money with a satellite company that interfaces with product/service providers esp with your reach. While I know you're in tech, this could be a legacy IMO.
Happy to chat if you need.
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Aotearas
Regarding the HP statement machine translation, I went and found the original article and had a read through it. The machine translation by the HP statement is reasonably accurate (though a better translation would be appreciated instead of embraced). And yeah, it's corpospeak so your summary of the statement is true.
Also, Jimmy is good. Continue!
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Regarding the HP statement machine translation, I went and found the original article and had a read through it. The machine translation by the HP statement is reasonably accurate (though a better translation would be appreciated instead of embraced). And yeah, it's corpospeak so your summary of the statement is true.
Also, Jimmy is good. Continue!
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CalgarGTX
Ive been saying E cores on desktop was a fkin useless idea for 99% of users since day 1 of them announcing it. I had made my peace with the fact that if I ever go back intel id just have to turn them off in BIOS and have to pay for some waste of die space and sand.
A 8 P-core i5 sounds good and probably what virtually every gamer would ever need.
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Ive been saying E cores on desktop was a fkin useless idea for 99% of users since day 1 of them announcing it. I had made my peace with the fact that if I ever go back intel id just have to turn them off in BIOS and have to pay for some waste of die space and sand.
A 8 P-core i5 sounds good and probably what virtually every gamer would ever need.
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gamersnexus
Yay good on asus. Happy I went with them and stuck through the thick of it lol. I've got to say forums aren't flooded with asus issues. If anything it's mostly gigabyte and msi issues. Now maybe people can stop flooding comments oh don't get asus! When we are all buying asus anyways. Still no1 gpu for nvidia even this generation.
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Yay good on asus. Happy I went with them and stuck through the thick of it lol. I've got to say forums aren't flooded with asus issues. If anything it's mostly gigabyte and msi issues. Now maybe people can stop flooding comments oh don't get asus! When we are all buying asus anyways. Still no1 gpu for nvidia even this generation.
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xanthonjp
A news just dropped these 2 days about how all Nvidia GPU partners uses the same cheap thermal paste that degrades in months. Really hope GN will cover this as the article claims that it affects all non founder RTX 4000 GPUs.
It's a great concern of mine right now since I just bought a Zotac 4070 Super.
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A news just dropped these 2 days about how all Nvidia GPU partners uses the same cheap thermal paste that degrades in months. Really hope GN will cover this as the article claims that it affects all non founder RTX 4000 GPUs.
It's a great concern of mine right now since I just bought a Zotac 4070 Super.
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KtotheL
just once... JUST ONCE !!! i would like to tune in expecting to see HW NEWS but instead it was a COOKING SHOW. it would be even BETTER if Steve cooked the meal with a CPU and GPU. i would accept even a GRILLED CHEESE ( CPU ) with B A C O N !!! maybe some FRIES ( GPU ) with a touch of salty OC'n :) GG !!!
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just once... JUST ONCE !!! i would like to tune in expecting to see HW NEWS but instead it was a COOKING SHOW. it would be even BETTER if Steve cooked the meal with a CPU and GPU. i would accept even a GRILLED CHEESE ( CPU ) with B A C O N !!! maybe some FRIES ( GPU ) with a touch of salty OC'n :) GG !!!
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waste_of_time-1-
RTX 5090 with a GB202 Die - 20480 cores, 640 TMUS, 192ROPS, 28GB GDDR7, 448 bit Bus Width, and PCIe 5 x16 lane connection with a 500w TDP.
Cant wait to see what it has in stock whenever Jensen Huang decides to put his leather jacket on and walk across stage
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RTX 5090 with a GB202 Die - 20480 cores, 640 TMUS, 192ROPS, 28GB GDDR7, 448 bit Bus Width, and PCIe 5 x16 lane connection with a 500w TDP.
Cant wait to see what it has in stock whenever Jensen Huang decides to put his leather jacket on and walk across stage
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