What the 5800X Should Have Been: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X CPU Review & Benchmarks
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Date: 2022-04-09
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Pwadigy
Intel vs AMD rn for x370-570 owners:
- Do you want a big upgrade where you mess with a new platform, socket and DDR5, and have a low-end Zen 3? Wait for Zen 4 and get a higher SKU then.
- Do you have a 3xxx or lower CPU and want a sizable performance bump in games? Wait for the 5800x3D and get some top-tier RAM and chill on that chipset for awhile. Wait two-three years until some new novel CPU tech is introduced and DDR5 has matured and can be found in the bargain bins.
- Do you have a 3600x or lower CPU and want to add high-end production but don't need HEDT features or fancy PCIE set-ups? 5950x.
- Do you already have a 5900x or a 5950x? Chill.
- Do you do production and need the PCIE features, DDR5 etc and it would be an absolute benefit right now and money isn't so much an issue? Sure, Alder Lake.
- Are you a software dev or do corpo work and use a combination of proprietary software, New and old? Hardstuck Intel, Alder Lake or wait for Raptor Lake. Also, how did you go this long on AMD without running into weird software bugs?
- x370 and 2xxx buyers who bought the parts well into the Zen 2/3 era because of massive price reduction secondhand who want better single thread and general performance: 12400 and an H series motherboard, cheap out on everything and move your DDR4 over. or wait 5 months until enthusiasts ditch their 5xxx processors for half price.
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Intel vs AMD rn for x370-570 owners:
- Do you want a big upgrade where you mess with a new platform, socket and DDR5, and have a low-end Zen 3? Wait for Zen 4 and get a higher SKU then.
- Do you have a 3xxx or lower CPU and want a sizable performance bump in games? Wait for the 5800x3D and get some top-tier RAM and chill on that chipset for awhile. Wait two-three years until some new novel CPU tech is introduced and DDR5 has matured and can be found in the bargain bins.
- Do you have a 3600x or lower CPU and want to add high-end production but don't need HEDT features or fancy PCIE set-ups? 5950x.
- Do you already have a 5900x or a 5950x? Chill.
- Do you do production and need the PCIE features, DDR5 etc and it would be an absolute benefit right now and money isn't so much an issue? Sure, Alder Lake.
- Are you a software dev or do corpo work and use a combination of proprietary software, New and old? Hardstuck Intel, Alder Lake or wait for Raptor Lake. Also, how did you go this long on AMD without running into weird software bugs?
- x370 and 2xxx buyers who bought the parts well into the Zen 2/3 era because of massive price reduction secondhand who want better single thread and general performance: 12400 and an H series motherboard, cheap out on everything and move your DDR4 over. or wait 5 months until enthusiasts ditch their 5xxx processors for half price.
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D827
The most important factor for price I think with these new amd chips is whether you are building a new system or upgrading an existing ryzen system. If the latter waiting for ryzen 7000 might make sense as we will also know more about 13th gen intel, which is likely to fix a number of the issues 12th can have, mainly faster memory support and possibly gen5 ssd support. So comparing those two before making a decision could prove wise.
However if you have a ryzen system already, especially lower end 1000 or 2000, then the new 5000 chips give an affordable boost in performance without the additional costs to factor for memory, motherboard and so on. Though of course it would have been better to have them sooner, but I have suspicions that amd didn't have capacity to make them and needed to prioritise the server chips as well as the consoles.
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The most important factor for price I think with these new amd chips is whether you are building a new system or upgrading an existing ryzen system. If the latter waiting for ryzen 7000 might make sense as we will also know more about 13th gen intel, which is likely to fix a number of the issues 12th can have, mainly faster memory support and possibly gen5 ssd support. So comparing those two before making a decision could prove wise.
However if you have a ryzen system already, especially lower end 1000 or 2000, then the new 5000 chips give an affordable boost in performance without the additional costs to factor for memory, motherboard and so on. Though of course it would have been better to have them sooner, but I have suspicions that amd didn't have capacity to make them and needed to prioritise the server chips as well as the consoles.
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Tech RIP
It's funny reading the comments with people just mimicking tech tubers. These cpu's are not late. AMD didn't need to release these a year ago. They just announced 300 support recently....hence the lower priced cpu's now. People being able to upgrade to these that have a 300 series mobo is a good thing. There's nothing negative to say. What tech tubers say are only their opinions and should not be taken as gospel. A ton of people are excited about this. If their mobo holds up, they'll be good to go for another 3+ years. What's the best Intel CPU from 5 years ago and imagine what it would be like 3 years from now. It seems only tech tubers are shitting on these for whatever reason. Same with the 6500XT. That card helped a shit ton of people. Nothing was wrong with it.
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It's funny reading the comments with people just mimicking tech tubers. These cpu's are not late. AMD didn't need to release these a year ago. They just announced 300 support recently....hence the lower priced cpu's now. People being able to upgrade to these that have a 300 series mobo is a good thing. There's nothing negative to say. What tech tubers say are only their opinions and should not be taken as gospel. A ton of people are excited about this. If their mobo holds up, they'll be good to go for another 3+ years. What's the best Intel CPU from 5 years ago and imagine what it would be like 3 years from now. It seems only tech tubers are shitting on these for whatever reason. Same with the 6500XT. That card helped a shit ton of people. Nothing was wrong with it.
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MasonISGaming522
I have purchased for myself a 5900x and a 5800x as well as building two 5600g non gpu setups for resale during the graphics card crunch at its peak. And i can say that all of them are just really good chips. Price is the only thing that really is the determining factor. 5700g is now a superb option if you still plan on adding a gpu later on. 5800x has come down quite a bit in price. The 5700x is kinda like a chip standing out on an island all by itself. You have the 5700g if you want the integrated setup. And the 5800x very close already in price. Seems the only reason i would ever go for this cpu myself is only if i was looking for a very specific thermal solution. Which is kinda niche.
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I have purchased for myself a 5900x and a 5800x as well as building two 5600g non gpu setups for resale during the graphics card crunch at its peak. And i can say that all of them are just really good chips. Price is the only thing that really is the determining factor. 5700g is now a superb option if you still plan on adding a gpu later on. 5800x has come down quite a bit in price. The 5700x is kinda like a chip standing out on an island all by itself. You have the 5700g if you want the integrated setup. And the 5800x very close already in price. Seems the only reason i would ever go for this cpu myself is only if i was looking for a very specific thermal solution. Which is kinda niche.
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Charles
Regarding gaming power consumption, perhaps there should be a separate comparison segment for it instead of an efficiency statement getting lumped together while comparing consumption during Blender, which is not at all representative how much power is being drawn for Intel for most gaming workloads.
As already demonstrated by Igor's Lab, full-bore usage is what allows the unlimited Tau of Alder Lake to make it eat so much power, but gaming (and any non-maxed usage) makes it go roughly to the tune of 50-60W, or similar to the 5600X or below. It also performs generally faster thus perf/W is also higher.
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Regarding gaming power consumption, perhaps there should be a separate comparison segment for it instead of an efficiency statement getting lumped together while comparing consumption during Blender, which is not at all representative how much power is being drawn for Intel for most gaming workloads.
As already demonstrated by Igor's Lab, full-bore usage is what allows the unlimited Tau of Alder Lake to make it eat so much power, but gaming (and any non-maxed usage) makes it go roughly to the tune of 50-60W, or similar to the 5600X or below. It also performs generally faster thus perf/W is also higher.
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Romeo
0:45 I feel attacked. I kid... (as an X370 owner who just got a recent BIOS update for 5000 series) but your observation is on point. I was already shopping around for X570/B550's boards prior to this current batch of CPU releases but the pricing just didn't make it worth while, until now. There's been some big discounts on X570 boards... probably a sign that they'll be deprecated soon for X6xx boards and add to that, there's more CPU's to choose from. Not sure what I'm going to do, so many more options now. More than likely I'll just keep my X370 board and get the fastest CPU that I'm willing to afford.
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0:45 I feel attacked. I kid... (as an X370 owner who just got a recent BIOS update for 5000 series) but your observation is on point. I was already shopping around for X570/B550's boards prior to this current batch of CPU releases but the pricing just didn't make it worth while, until now. There's been some big discounts on X570 boards... probably a sign that they'll be deprecated soon for X6xx boards and add to that, there's more CPU's to choose from. Not sure what I'm going to do, so many more options now. More than likely I'll just keep my X370 board and get the fastest CPU that I'm willing to afford.
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Anthony
What if your running about 3 or 4 game launchers and at least one of them is downloading, and your talking on discord and maybe streaming your game or watching your friends game on your 2nd monitor? And in the meantime windows may be doing God knows what in the background ? Maybe there's some chrome tabs open as you're looking stuff up? I think there's many people that aren't just running a game in perfect conditions as benchmarks show. I have a feeling that any of these things may benefit from a better CPU. It would also be cool if people did some benchmarks like this
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What if your running about 3 or 4 game launchers and at least one of them is downloading, and your talking on discord and maybe streaming your game or watching your friends game on your 2nd monitor? And in the meantime windows may be doing God knows what in the background ? Maybe there's some chrome tabs open as you're looking stuff up? I think there's many people that aren't just running a game in perfect conditions as benchmarks show. I have a feeling that any of these things may benefit from a better CPU. It would also be cool if people did some benchmarks like this
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Idhalar
Very interesting review! can't wait to see what next gen puts on the table.
I have found these high-ish core count cpus very nice when you have to run two or three virtual machines at home for work, you need them to run well and still want to be able to use your host OS without pulling your hair out.
Got my 5800x when it was released because it was the only thing available at a normal price and had a lot of doubts about it, but can't be happier about the purchase after year and a half of use. I think I'll never again buy anything under 8 cores and 32 gb of ram.
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Very interesting review! can't wait to see what next gen puts on the table.
I have found these high-ish core count cpus very nice when you have to run two or three virtual machines at home for work, you need them to run well and still want to be able to use your host OS without pulling your hair out.
Got my 5800x when it was released because it was the only thing available at a normal price and had a lot of doubts about it, but can't be happier about the purchase after year and a half of use. I think I'll never again buy anything under 8 cores and 32 gb of ram.
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Canadian
The 5700X has better performance per watt compared to the 12600K and is a good choice for a new build if you can get ahold of a B550 motherboard for cheap. By cheap, I mean around 100-150. You get to stick with Windows 10 for the next 3 years with no worries about performance issues unlike the 12Th Gen Intel CPUs on Windows 10. You also get stable and mature chipset drivers. An 8 core 65 watt TDP CPU like the 5700X will be more than fine for the years and years to come and is only about 20 more than the 12600K.
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The 5700X has better performance per watt compared to the 12600K and is a good choice for a new build if you can get ahold of a B550 motherboard for cheap. By cheap, I mean around 100-150. You get to stick with Windows 10 for the next 3 years with no worries about performance issues unlike the 12Th Gen Intel CPUs on Windows 10. You also get stable and mature chipset drivers. An 8 core 65 watt TDP CPU like the 5700X will be more than fine for the years and years to come and is only about 20 more than the 12600K.
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ThatOneChannel
Looking at the numbers, my 3700x is still relevant and I probably won't upgrade for a good couple of years. Just looking at my 2060 super if it'll make it a couple more years with the way graphics and RAM are slowly becoming demanding. Looks like the 5800x is 319 at my local store while he 5700x is 299.. 20 isn't much of a difference overall but the used market may like the higher number. (depending on intelligence and understanding of the buyer)
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Looking at the numbers, my 3700x is still relevant and I probably won't upgrade for a good couple of years. Just looking at my 2060 super if it'll make it a couple more years with the way graphics and RAM are slowly becoming demanding. Looks like the 5800x is 319 at my local store while he 5700x is 299.. 20 isn't much of a difference overall but the used market may like the higher number. (depending on intelligence and understanding of the buyer)
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