The True Story Of The Giant Prehistoric Hell Pig
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Date: 2024-03-29
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bkjeong4302
The idea bear-dogs (or carnivorans in general) outcompeted and wiped out entelodonts and hyaenodonts (another, unrelated group) is a very popular one but is actually questionable for several reasons:
- Bear-dogs were actually WORSE at chasing down prey in the open compared to entelodonts or hyaenodonts, being plantigrade and much more specialized for grappling prey into submission in the manner of big cats, while entelodonts were fully unguligrade (much as in living running-adapted hoofed animals) and hyaenodonts were digitigrade or semidigitigrade, with limbs dedicated entirely for walking and running (at the expense of not being able to grapple, but that's why they had those huge jaws instead.
- There is no evidence for the idea of bear-dogs being cooperative pack hunters (there's no evidence AGAINST it either, but see below, and the idea more evolved carnivoran predators took over the world through smarts and social behaviours is based on an extremely flawed understanding of modern animal behaviour; most terrestrial carnivorans, ESPECIALLY those that go after relatively large prey, AREN'T that social and do their hunting alone (and even the few exceptions like wolves and lions can already kill prey larger than themselves without backup, not to mention that we have no way of telling how smart any extinct animal was because brain size (both absolute and relative to body size) and brain anatomy have been shown to give misleading (and often overly low) estimates of intelligence in living animals compared to what behavioural studies have shown them to be capable of
- Bear-dogs were NOT a new invasive threat in North America that North American predators had no idea how to handle; there were already bear-dogs in North America during the Oligocene such as Daphoenus, and the entelodonts coexisted with them just fine at that point (not to mention there were other genera of entelodonts in Eurasia during the Oligocene as well. As for the hyaenodonts, in Eurasia and Africa they ended up coexisting with bear-dogs as apex predators for over half the Miocene (and in fact having a bit of a resurgence as large predators there in spite of said competiton, which puts an end to the idea they couldn't handle the competition.
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The idea bear-dogs (or carnivorans in general) outcompeted and wiped out entelodonts and hyaenodonts (another, unrelated group) is a very popular one but is actually questionable for several reasons:
- Bear-dogs were actually WORSE at chasing down prey in the open compared to entelodonts or hyaenodonts, being plantigrade and much more specialized for grappling prey into submission in the manner of big cats, while entelodonts were fully unguligrade (much as in living running-adapted hoofed animals) and hyaenodonts were digitigrade or semidigitigrade, with limbs dedicated entirely for walking and running (at the expense of not being able to grapple, but that's why they had those huge jaws instead.
- There is no evidence for the idea of bear-dogs being cooperative pack hunters (there's no evidence AGAINST it either, but see below, and the idea more evolved carnivoran predators took over the world through smarts and social behaviours is based on an extremely flawed understanding of modern animal behaviour; most terrestrial carnivorans, ESPECIALLY those that go after relatively large prey, AREN'T that social and do their hunting alone (and even the few exceptions like wolves and lions can already kill prey larger than themselves without backup, not to mention that we have no way of telling how smart any extinct animal was because brain size (both absolute and relative to body size) and brain anatomy have been shown to give misleading (and often overly low) estimates of intelligence in living animals compared to what behavioural studies have shown them to be capable of
- Bear-dogs were NOT a new invasive threat in North America that North American predators had no idea how to handle; there were already bear-dogs in North America during the Oligocene such as Daphoenus, and the entelodonts coexisted with them just fine at that point (not to mention there were other genera of entelodonts in Eurasia during the Oligocene as well. As for the hyaenodonts, in Eurasia and Africa they ended up coexisting with bear-dogs as apex predators for over half the Miocene (and in fact having a bit of a resurgence as large predators there in spite of said competiton, which puts an end to the idea they couldn't handle the competition.
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JADAALLC
Question, if it truly was a creature that lived millions of years ago, can you please explain how you would know how it would actually have acted, and what it actually would have been eating
I get a kick out of how people seem to think they know things that happened millions of years ago, lmfao. And to top it off, people actually believe it.
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Question, if it truly was a creature that lived millions of years ago, can you please explain how you would know how it would actually have acted, and what it actually would have been eating
I get a kick out of how people seem to think they know things that happened millions of years ago, lmfao. And to top it off, people actually believe it.
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btetschner
Having a Weird History drink!
Drinking ROCKSTAR. while watching this Weird History video!
From the Weird History Food video The Speedy Rise of the Energy Drink.
The #1 hit on my 38th birthday was Rockstar by Post Malone and 21 Savage
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Having a Weird History drink!
Drinking ROCKSTAR. while watching this Weird History video!
From the Weird History Food video The Speedy Rise of the Energy Drink.
The #1 hit on my 38th birthday was Rockstar by Post Malone and 21 Savage
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brj_han
Today, the wild boar down in the swamps of Louisiana/Florida, etc. can reach a 1, 000 pounds, over 8 to 9 feet long.
Friend of mine went hunting for one once, said it was the scariest thing he's done. (Can't see 'em in the high grass)
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Today, the wild boar down in the swamps of Louisiana/Florida, etc. can reach a 1, 000 pounds, over 8 to 9 feet long.
Friend of mine went hunting for one once, said it was the scariest thing he's done. (Can't see 'em in the high grass)
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SidewalkCitizenLA
7: 12 The brain size comment is a bit outdated for current science. They know now that size has nothing to do with cognition abilities it's the wrinkles in your brain matter.
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7: 12 The brain size comment is a bit outdated for current science. They know now that size has nothing to do with cognition abilities it's the wrinkles in your brain matter.
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MissKateRaines
seems we're still falling into that 'shrink wrap' bias - these animal's lateral skull protrusions sort of remind me a little of those on a hippopotamus skull/skeleton
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seems we're still falling into that 'shrink wrap' bias - these animal's lateral skull protrusions sort of remind me a little of those on a hippopotamus skull/skeleton
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Psyniku87
Pigs from nightmare of mensis used to scare the shit out of me, so we're they inspired from hell pigs
Big bodies, huge ahole, only multiple eyes are missing
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Pigs from nightmare of mensis used to scare the shit out of me, so we're they inspired from hell pigs
Big bodies, huge ahole, only multiple eyes are missing
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Truckngirl
They weren't tangling with any horses in North America. They didn't appear until the Spanish brought them in the 16th Century.
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They weren't tangling with any horses in North America. They didn't appear until the Spanish brought them in the 16th Century.
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user-wh8mg4gh8d
I've never heard of this before must be an ancestor for the wild boar and our pigs or one of Miss Piggy's relatives
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I've never heard of this before must be an ancestor for the wild boar and our pigs or one of Miss Piggy's relatives
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NewMessage
You can't call something a whale if it has legs.
I hereby retract the 'Yo Mama' joke I made last December. My mistake.
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You can't call something a whale if it has legs.
I hereby retract the 'Yo Mama' joke I made last December. My mistake.
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