Details About King Edward I We Didn't See In 'Braveheart'
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Date: 2022-12-29
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Jon
As a number of people have commented Edward was a loyal and loving husband. But the most obvious fact about Edward is his greatness. Among Medieval English monarchs only Edward III rivals him. He spent almost all his reign under canvas on campaign. He was a great military leader and understood the importance of maintaining control over conquered lands by means of bastides and planted towns. He was also a gifted politician. When the conquered Welsh said they would never accept a Prince of Wales who had spoken English, he presented his six month old son. His greatest monument is Caernafon castle. It abandons the rules of castle building (learned from the Crusades) in favour of a single curtain wall, 30 feet thick in places. The towers are octangular and banded to mimic the walls of Constantinople. This was a nod to the Welsh who were still Romanised and therefore thought themselves culturally superior on account of higher standards of personal hygiene, among other things. Edwards great symbol of English domination over the Welsh at Caernafon is now for many Welsh people, a great symbol of the nation. The town itself is the heartland if Welsh nationalism with virtually everyone a first language Welsh speaker.
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As a number of people have commented Edward was a loyal and loving husband. But the most obvious fact about Edward is his greatness. Among Medieval English monarchs only Edward III rivals him. He spent almost all his reign under canvas on campaign. He was a great military leader and understood the importance of maintaining control over conquered lands by means of bastides and planted towns. He was also a gifted politician. When the conquered Welsh said they would never accept a Prince of Wales who had spoken English, he presented his six month old son. His greatest monument is Caernafon castle. It abandons the rules of castle building (learned from the Crusades) in favour of a single curtain wall, 30 feet thick in places. The towers are octangular and banded to mimic the walls of Constantinople. This was a nod to the Welsh who were still Romanised and therefore thought themselves culturally superior on account of higher standards of personal hygiene, among other things. Edwards great symbol of English domination over the Welsh at Caernafon is now for many Welsh people, a great symbol of the nation. The town itself is the heartland if Welsh nationalism with virtually everyone a first language Welsh speaker.
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Carl
The 'details' you didn't see in 'Braveheart' was anything even remotely resembling historical fact.
'Braveheart' was an entertaining movie, entertaining enough that I own it. But it and its contemporary 'Rob Roy' took the historical record, whitewashed over it and then did finger paints over top of that. It doesn't even rise to the historical accuracy of 'Hurt Locker', and EVERY Iraq War veteran will tell you just how much that movie was full of shit. 'Band of Brothers' this ain't.
On a scale of 1 to 10, one being a 'She Wore a Yellow Ribbon' and ten being 'Downfall' or 'Lincoln', 'Braveheart' comes in at about a 6. about the same level as 'Kingdom of Heaven'.
This isn't to say that any of these movies are not entertaining or are not well-made. There's some extraordinary work in these films. But most of these are not accurate in a historical sense, and that's the standard being judged here.
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The 'details' you didn't see in 'Braveheart' was anything even remotely resembling historical fact.
'Braveheart' was an entertaining movie, entertaining enough that I own it. But it and its contemporary 'Rob Roy' took the historical record, whitewashed over it and then did finger paints over top of that. It doesn't even rise to the historical accuracy of 'Hurt Locker', and EVERY Iraq War veteran will tell you just how much that movie was full of shit. 'Band of Brothers' this ain't.
On a scale of 1 to 10, one being a 'She Wore a Yellow Ribbon' and ten being 'Downfall' or 'Lincoln', 'Braveheart' comes in at about a 6. about the same level as 'Kingdom of Heaven'.
This isn't to say that any of these movies are not entertaining or are not well-made. There's some extraordinary work in these films. But most of these are not accurate in a historical sense, and that's the standard being judged here.
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education
_The expulsion of Jewish communities was unfortunately common in medieval Europe. _
_unfortunately_ -?
I really wish people would think about this - they were kicked out of over 100 lands OVER 1, 000 times!
You call that unfortunate? Geez. when are you people going to wake the fck up? They were kicked out because they were hated for GOOD REASON! You can't talk about this on JewTube, but there's a reason people are exiled and if you're exiled 1, 000+ times, then there's a BLOODY good reason! _Oh it's because they persecute the jews for killing Christ. _ really? Were that the case, they would never have been let in.
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_The expulsion of Jewish communities was unfortunately common in medieval Europe. _
_unfortunately_ -?
I really wish people would think about this - they were kicked out of over 100 lands OVER 1, 000 times!
You call that unfortunate? Geez. when are you people going to wake the fck up? They were kicked out because they were hated for GOOD REASON! You can't talk about this on JewTube, but there's a reason people are exiled and if you're exiled 1, 000+ times, then there's a BLOODY good reason! _Oh it's because they persecute the jews for killing Christ. _ really? Were that the case, they would never have been let in.
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Jon
I don't think this type of Faction is harmless. I was an English student at Glasgow University working in the Grosvenor Cinema in Ashton Lane when this film came out. I was subjected to abuse and racial hatred. One time one of three guys spat on me as I left work after the film. I cant help but think they had missed the point of the film as I chased them down Bryres Road. I was also told, I always hated the English but did not know why till I saw Braveheart, My wife is Scottish as is my lovely daughter but we don't live in Scotland anymore and I have no desire to return.
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I don't think this type of Faction is harmless. I was an English student at Glasgow University working in the Grosvenor Cinema in Ashton Lane when this film came out. I was subjected to abuse and racial hatred. One time one of three guys spat on me as I left work after the film. I cant help but think they had missed the point of the film as I chased them down Bryres Road. I was also told, I always hated the English but did not know why till I saw Braveheart, My wife is Scottish as is my lovely daughter but we don't live in Scotland anymore and I have no desire to return.
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Will
What do I think. Well I have always and still do read about my countries history, as if you do not know where your heritage comes from who do you know who you are, and why your country is as it is.
I think this is one of the best chats about long shanks, Wallace, and the rest. At last someone who has told the true story, and put Gibson and his rubbish film where it belongs in the Hollywood fiction department. I do await the day when someone makes a movie about English history that is accurate and true, alas I feel this is asking too much
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What do I think. Well I have always and still do read about my countries history, as if you do not know where your heritage comes from who do you know who you are, and why your country is as it is.
I think this is one of the best chats about long shanks, Wallace, and the rest. At last someone who has told the true story, and put Gibson and his rubbish film where it belongs in the Hollywood fiction department. I do await the day when someone makes a movie about English history that is accurate and true, alas I feel this is asking too much
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nobby
My favourite story of Longshanks is when on crusade in Palestine as a young man he was courted by 2 Muslim emissaries, after a period of time he got to know them and let his guard down and agreed to a meeting alone with them anyways it was a ruse and when alone without guards these Assassins attacked with poisoned daggers but Edward who was a massive man managed to fight back and kill both of them. he was badly wounded and his devoted wife nursed him back to health
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My favourite story of Longshanks is when on crusade in Palestine as a young man he was courted by 2 Muslim emissaries, after a period of time he got to know them and let his guard down and agreed to a meeting alone with them anyways it was a ruse and when alone without guards these Assassins attacked with poisoned daggers but Edward who was a massive man managed to fight back and kill both of them. he was badly wounded and his devoted wife nursed him back to health
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Alba
If you are going to talk about king Edward the 1st you need to talk about the Sack of Berwick (1296) numbers slain are between 4, 000 to 17, 000 which doesn't include the atrocious committed on civilians of Berwick brave heart definitely wasn't accurate but Edward was definitely no saint he killed hundreds of people in the persuade of more power just like any other king at the time.
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If you are going to talk about king Edward the 1st you need to talk about the Sack of Berwick (1296) numbers slain are between 4, 000 to 17, 000 which doesn't include the atrocious committed on civilians of Berwick brave heart definitely wasn't accurate but Edward was definitely no saint he killed hundreds of people in the persuade of more power just like any other king at the time.
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Robert.
If l had a time machine l would go back to his reign and say. Even though you wanted to erase us Scots we got the last laugh. King Robert the Bruce beat your gay son in 1314 at Bannockburn Stirling. Also no English monarch ever sat on our throne but a Scottish monarch sat on the throne of England, when King James the 6th became James the 1st of England. So up you.
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If l had a time machine l would go back to his reign and say. Even though you wanted to erase us Scots we got the last laugh. King Robert the Bruce beat your gay son in 1314 at Bannockburn Stirling. Also no English monarch ever sat on our throne but a Scottish monarch sat on the throne of England, when King James the 6th became James the 1st of England. So up you.
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Alan
You nailed it - Braveheart is the biggest load of fictional nonsense ever.
I defy anyone to provide one shred of evidence that William Wallace existed.
It is all based on a tale by Bland Harry 200 years after the events and then 200 odd years later Walter Scott really blew it out of proportion. Long before Gibson made a total hash of it.
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You nailed it - Braveheart is the biggest load of fictional nonsense ever.
I defy anyone to provide one shred of evidence that William Wallace existed.
It is all based on a tale by Bland Harry 200 years after the events and then 200 odd years later Walter Scott really blew it out of proportion. Long before Gibson made a total hash of it.
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Steve
By the way the Eileen Donan castle you showed was built in 1912. Also the kilt was invented by an English man ( Thomas Rawlinson )who ran a iron foundry in Scotland, who did not want the safety of his workmen compromised by the full belted plaid worn at the time. It was then improved upon by the British Army to what we see today.
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By the way the Eileen Donan castle you showed was built in 1912. Also the kilt was invented by an English man ( Thomas Rawlinson )who ran a iron foundry in Scotland, who did not want the safety of his workmen compromised by the full belted plaid worn at the time. It was then improved upon by the British Army to what we see today.
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Jason
Braveheart is almost total fiction, with actual events and people completely different from how things happened. The battles were nothing like how they were shown with the first big battle actually being fought on and around a bridge at Stirling and the English withdrew in good order, not being annihilated as it says in the film.
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Braveheart is almost total fiction, with actual events and people completely different from how things happened. The battles were nothing like how they were shown with the first big battle actually being fought on and around a bridge at Stirling and the English withdrew in good order, not being annihilated as it says in the film.
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Phil
What else do you expect from a IRA supporter and a supporter of anti semitism. Plus, I may add, a Irish actor, playing a medieval English king. The good news is, there is a very good chance, that in the General Election in two years time, the Scots will vote for independence, and England will be finally rid of them.
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What else do you expect from a IRA supporter and a supporter of anti semitism. Plus, I may add, a Irish actor, playing a medieval English king. The good news is, there is a very good chance, that in the General Election in two years time, the Scots will vote for independence, and England will be finally rid of them.
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Raquel
He was a great king and a typical 13th century monarch. The Scots raided, plundered, raped, slaughtered, destroyed more than the English ever did. They were a vicious sadistic brutal tribe and pretty much needed discipline. Edward I did that; he was not a monster. Braveheart was a fun movie but SO WRONG.
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He was a great king and a typical 13th century monarch. The Scots raided, plundered, raped, slaughtered, destroyed more than the English ever did. They were a vicious sadistic brutal tribe and pretty much needed discipline. Edward I did that; he was not a monster. Braveheart was a fun movie but SO WRONG.
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Peter
Longshanks was a devoted family man, he loved his wife and theres no evidence that he hated his son or that his son was gay for that matter. Personally I think Wallace was brutal medieval warlord who got what he had coming. Not that Longshanks was any better but, he was at least on par with Wallace.
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Longshanks was a devoted family man, he loved his wife and theres no evidence that he hated his son or that his son was gay for that matter. Personally I think Wallace was brutal medieval warlord who got what he had coming. Not that Longshanks was any better but, he was at least on par with Wallace.
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Stefan
Edward's expulsion of the parasites always made him a hero in my book. It took the brutal orchestrated Civil War under the paid traitor Cromwell, whose first act was to allow the return of said parasites which led to the complete destruction and degradation of the English culture we see today.
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Edward's expulsion of the parasites always made him a hero in my book. It took the brutal orchestrated Civil War under the paid traitor Cromwell, whose first act was to allow the return of said parasites which led to the complete destruction and degradation of the English culture we see today.
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Helen
There's a house in Romsey, England, I believe it's called King John's house but it has nothing to do with King John. However troops of Edward I were once stationed there and one drew a cartoon image of Edward I on the wall. It was a profile view and he drew him with a big nose.
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There's a house in Romsey, England, I believe it's called King John's house but it has nothing to do with King John. However troops of Edward I were once stationed there and one drew a cartoon image of Edward I on the wall. It was a profile view and he drew him with a big nose.
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Jacqueline
History is always fun to learn about.
Just a shame when a film like Brave Heart is made it doesn't stick to the Historical facts and has to try and twist everything.
King Edward the 1st was a Catholic Prince strong in his faith. A strong King much needed.
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History is always fun to learn about.
Just a shame when a film like Brave Heart is made it doesn't stick to the Historical facts and has to try and twist everything.
King Edward the 1st was a Catholic Prince strong in his faith. A strong King much needed.
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Julie
He's one of my ancestors. Funnily enough, I once heard the historical/ legendary Robin Hood actually was fighting against Edward Longshanks and his taxes, rather than the more romantic story where he went against Prince John and sided with King Richard.
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He's one of my ancestors. Funnily enough, I once heard the historical/ legendary Robin Hood actually was fighting against Edward Longshanks and his taxes, rather than the more romantic story where he went against Prince John and sided with King Richard.
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derek
Can you tell me why with so many mistakes in the film Did the scots stand up in cinemas and start singing. Flower of Scotland. Also. What about Mel Gibson father moving is family from America. So is son never got drafted to Vietnam. Ok for some.
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Can you tell me why with so many mistakes in the film Did the scots stand up in cinemas and start singing. Flower of Scotland. Also. What about Mel Gibson father moving is family from America. So is son never got drafted to Vietnam. Ok for some.
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666toysoldier
Patrick McGoohan's performance may not have been very historical, but it was magnificent. It should have earned him an Oscar nomination, but since his on-screen character threw a gay man out a window, that wasn't going to happen
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Patrick McGoohan's performance may not have been very historical, but it was magnificent. It should have earned him an Oscar nomination, but since his on-screen character threw a gay man out a window, that wasn't going to happen
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