Tesla, Waymo, Android Auto Privacy and Security Fears? - Rob Braxman Tech
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Date: 2022-03-20
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Very good subject to discuss! For the past 25 years beginning with Onstar in GM telematics has been a fact of life. In most modern cars and light duty trucks the infotainment systems include a 3G/4G modem which is connected to the CAN bus, meaning all sensors and systems. The potential for remote modification of the CAN connected systems is not often discussed. Even less discussed is the data collected by the manufacturers/parties unknown. Bluetooth and wifi as also often included in auto infotainment and are almost -always on-, meaning the user cannot disable it and the user does not have access to the full capability of any of the RF systems. Linux based can-utils and Wireshark CAN dissectors can provide insight into what is taking place on the CAN bus. It may be possible to remove individual components from the infotainment center which is normally the radio. A Fakra to SMA dummy load or broadband noise source combined with RF shielding are a few possibilities to disable or reduce the RF capabilities of these telematics RF systems. Using an RF jammer is not advised because it is so easy to cause unintended harm and get caught.
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Very good subject to discuss! For the past 25 years beginning with Onstar in GM telematics has been a fact of life. In most modern cars and light duty trucks the infotainment systems include a 3G/4G modem which is connected to the CAN bus, meaning all sensors and systems. The potential for remote modification of the CAN connected systems is not often discussed. Even less discussed is the data collected by the manufacturers/parties unknown. Bluetooth and wifi as also often included in auto infotainment and are almost -always on-, meaning the user cannot disable it and the user does not have access to the full capability of any of the RF systems. Linux based can-utils and Wireshark CAN dissectors can provide insight into what is taking place on the CAN bus. It may be possible to remove individual components from the infotainment center which is normally the radio. A Fakra to SMA dummy load or broadband noise source combined with RF shielding are a few possibilities to disable or reduce the RF capabilities of these telematics RF systems. Using an RF jammer is not advised because it is so easy to cause unintended harm and get caught.
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springer
Please stop spouting Musk non-sense. Tesla does not have full self driving defined by SAS (Level 5. Not even close. And No, Tesla computers are not clsoe to human brain. That's just nuts. Tesla car computers are at slug level of intelligence (with monocular vision. Try to drive with one eye closed and see how hard it is to get depth perception. And do you relly want to trust your life to a slug? As far as full level self driving is concerned, last 1% takes 99% of the time and effort. Where is Tesla? Honestly only level 3. Tesla does not even have external mike necessary to listen for Sirens from emergency vehicles and move out of the way. Why don't you try making your -full self drive- Tesla car do full self driving and go into back seat and take a nap. Before Tesla cars can wend through downtown Mumbai at height of rush hour with no driver but with Musk blind-folded in back seat, don't talk about Musk Level 5! LOL
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Please stop spouting Musk non-sense. Tesla does not have full self driving defined by SAS (Level 5. Not even close. And No, Tesla computers are not clsoe to human brain. That's just nuts. Tesla car computers are at slug level of intelligence (with monocular vision. Try to drive with one eye closed and see how hard it is to get depth perception. And do you relly want to trust your life to a slug? As far as full level self driving is concerned, last 1% takes 99% of the time and effort. Where is Tesla? Honestly only level 3. Tesla does not even have external mike necessary to listen for Sirens from emergency vehicles and move out of the way. Why don't you try making your -full self drive- Tesla car do full self driving and go into back seat and take a nap. Before Tesla cars can wend through downtown Mumbai at height of rush hour with no driver but with Musk blind-folded in back seat, don't talk about Musk Level 5! LOL
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Joel
say you bought a ubi key, now they have your data. say they use a delivery service like ups. now they have your data. they sell it to advertisers who know now have your identity/govt agencies and they want to know what youve got to hide. they change the information you see online so now you dont trust your wife. shes sleeping with a ubi key govt spy employee. she gets pregnant. Hes not allowed to make contact with people hes spying on. he changes the content you see online you take your wife back. shes having a baby at 6 months. youre suspicious. you ask to do a test. it destroys your marriage a second time. the spy changes your content online again. this time for good. you stumble onto a subreddit with people who are talking about how they lost loved ones to suicide. you get inspired. as you hang from the branch in your ex wifes front yard, you wonder to yourself. was it really worth it to order that ubi key?
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say you bought a ubi key, now they have your data. say they use a delivery service like ups. now they have your data. they sell it to advertisers who know now have your identity/govt agencies and they want to know what youve got to hide. they change the information you see online so now you dont trust your wife. shes sleeping with a ubi key govt spy employee. she gets pregnant. Hes not allowed to make contact with people hes spying on. he changes the content you see online you take your wife back. shes having a baby at 6 months. youre suspicious. you ask to do a test. it destroys your marriage a second time. the spy changes your content online again. this time for good. you stumble onto a subreddit with people who are talking about how they lost loved ones to suicide. you get inspired. as you hang from the branch in your ex wifes front yard, you wonder to yourself. was it really worth it to order that ubi key?
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RohanOf
I can already see in the future a bunch of people making new emails and google accounts to start up their cars, refusing to link all their devices together: ) taking your mates car to buy some more beer because he drank some already? You cant use his google acc. Because its linked to his thumb/face so you have to make a new one but you refuse to use the one already existent in your car so you make a brand new acc. for a drive then ghost it forever lol
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I can already see in the future a bunch of people making new emails and google accounts to start up their cars, refusing to link all their devices together: ) taking your mates car to buy some more beer because he drank some already? You cant use his google acc. Because its linked to his thumb/face so you have to make a new one but you refuse to use the one already existent in your car so you make a brand new acc. for a drive then ghost it forever lol
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You
They have killed journalists in their own cars. drive older paid off cars without spywear; do not rent cars as well so frustrating and dangerous. Many people have been killed by this pushed, unwanted cars. Oh by way they can only go 100miles. no thanks. I will stick with older cars I own and maintain. and they so quiet inside car, can hear my own thoughts and no one yelling at me or interferring with my drive.
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They have killed journalists in their own cars. drive older paid off cars without spywear; do not rent cars as well so frustrating and dangerous. Many people have been killed by this pushed, unwanted cars. Oh by way they can only go 100miles. no thanks. I will stick with older cars I own and maintain. and they so quiet inside car, can hear my own thoughts and no one yelling at me or interferring with my drive.
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OLD
All cars from somewhere around 1986 or so can be remotely controlled or at least shut down. There was a test in AZ on a remote road all cars on that road were remotely shut down for an hour by a signal to built system, later that became something that can be done to an individual car and the codes stored by manufacturer and shared with repo people and cops (and who knows who else )
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All cars from somewhere around 1986 or so can be remotely controlled or at least shut down. There was a test in AZ on a remote road all cars on that road were remotely shut down for an hour by a signal to built system, later that became something that can be done to an individual car and the codes stored by manufacturer and shared with repo people and cops (and who knows who else )
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cjay2
The ONLY reason self-driving is being developed is to be able to control where you can go and where you are not allowed to go. Simple. If you are so lazy or enamoured with automation, then you will be a sucker for this crap, and you will give up your freedom sooner than the rest of the populace.
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The ONLY reason self-driving is being developed is to be able to control where you can go and where you are not allowed to go. Simple. If you are so lazy or enamoured with automation, then you will be a sucker for this crap, and you will give up your freedom sooner than the rest of the populace.
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Kimo
FYI - FoMoCo in the 1990s developed centralized clandestine monitoring of new product car models. They eventually got busted by the Justice department for violating privacy laws. Apparently since then current privacy laws have been further eroded and severely loosened jeopardizing your privacy.
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FYI - FoMoCo in the 1990s developed centralized clandestine monitoring of new product car models. They eventually got busted by the Justice department for violating privacy laws. Apparently since then current privacy laws have been further eroded and severely loosened jeopardizing your privacy.
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Jackson
my understanding is that tesla cars running autopilot are forwarding that data to a central neural net in order to improve the autopilot ai. So, tesla is collecting this data, however, im not sure if this is data only regarding autopilot, or if it includes other (personal) data as well.
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my understanding is that tesla cars running autopilot are forwarding that data to a central neural net in order to improve the autopilot ai. So, tesla is collecting this data, however, im not sure if this is data only regarding autopilot, or if it includes other (personal) data as well.
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Carl
I am not sure about the US or Canada, but here in the UK, your vehicle registration document known as a V5 lists the vehicle owner as the 'keeper'. So if you were to delve into the law, sheeple really own their vehicles. Like they don't own the homes.
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I am not sure about the US or Canada, but here in the UK, your vehicle registration document known as a V5 lists the vehicle owner as the 'keeper'. So if you were to delve into the law, sheeple really own their vehicles. Like they don't own the homes.
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