Can LInux Phones Succeed? - Rob Braxman Tech
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Date: 2022-03-20
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Andrew
I agree on privacy. I like convergence - I even have a sentio notebook with my android. Terminustest makes a good comment on convergence below (though I'd like to add the ability to pop the -core- phone device into a destop with additional processing and gpu capability. But as much as I want convergence, I also appreciate some of the -1 package power- capabilities of IOS or Android. My current Android will help me navigate (and is waterproof, sort of, it will scan a document and do ocr, it is a surprisingly good camera. It takes dictation. It translates (sort of. I'd prefer to move to some kind of nextcloud/linux set up that protects my privacy manages my files on the go and does computational chores. But I also am unwilling to give up navigation and office tasks on the go- or even a good enough camera to take on vacation and be happy about when I got home. It's all entirely possible- but the question remains whether the convenient execution of these kinds of tasks will see prioritization enough to make a linux phone my personal daily driver. I hope so.
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I agree on privacy. I like convergence - I even have a sentio notebook with my android. Terminustest makes a good comment on convergence below (though I'd like to add the ability to pop the -core- phone device into a destop with additional processing and gpu capability. But as much as I want convergence, I also appreciate some of the -1 package power- capabilities of IOS or Android. My current Android will help me navigate (and is waterproof, sort of, it will scan a document and do ocr, it is a surprisingly good camera. It takes dictation. It translates (sort of. I'd prefer to move to some kind of nextcloud/linux set up that protects my privacy manages my files on the go and does computational chores. But I also am unwilling to give up navigation and office tasks on the go- or even a good enough camera to take on vacation and be happy about when I got home. It's all entirely possible- but the question remains whether the convenient execution of these kinds of tasks will see prioritization enough to make a linux phone my personal daily driver. I hope so.
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bennypr0fane
For me, the first reason for adopting Linux was to get a longer life and better performance out of aging computer hardware. Next, the Nokia N900 drew me further into the Linux world with its promise of being an actual mobile computer. I loved the feeling of being -fully equipped- with it in my pocket. While my efforts of adopting Linux on my various PCs progressed, I became increasingly aware of the main topic of it all, and that is the Freedom. Linux is Free software, and Free software is about Freedom. The Freedom -to- do what you want with your devices and your software, and the Freedom -from- exploitation, lock-in, spying and increasing control over one's life that manufacturers and softwaremakers have made it their goal to gain.
So, tl; dr: It's all about the Freedom (privacy includes that for me, for there is no true Freedom without the privacy.
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For me, the first reason for adopting Linux was to get a longer life and better performance out of aging computer hardware. Next, the Nokia N900 drew me further into the Linux world with its promise of being an actual mobile computer. I loved the feeling of being -fully equipped- with it in my pocket. While my efforts of adopting Linux on my various PCs progressed, I became increasingly aware of the main topic of it all, and that is the Freedom. Linux is Free software, and Free software is about Freedom. The Freedom -to- do what you want with your devices and your software, and the Freedom -from- exploitation, lock-in, spying and increasing control over one's life that manufacturers and softwaremakers have made it their goal to gain.
So, tl; dr: It's all about the Freedom (privacy includes that for me, for there is no true Freedom without the privacy.
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phillippi2
I'm interested in not just a -linux phone- but an open-source (read: free software-, open-hardware (free hardware-) mobile computer. This is primarily fueled by my recent discovery of OpenAPS (Open-source Artificial Pancreas, which uses your computer to process insulin delivery via a pump, similar to how your body does it naturally.
There are two primary computers in this project. One is the Intel Edison (which is no longer being manufactured and, is not to be confused with the intel edison shield for Arduino) The other is the Raspberry Pi 3b. Unfortunately, that is not entirely open source. Much of the firmware regarding the mathematics is proprietary.
-Free as in Libre (the American term Liberty is derived from that word); not Gratis. Or, if you prefer; Free Speech, not free beer.
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I'm interested in not just a -linux phone- but an open-source (read: free software-, open-hardware (free hardware-) mobile computer. This is primarily fueled by my recent discovery of OpenAPS (Open-source Artificial Pancreas, which uses your computer to process insulin delivery via a pump, similar to how your body does it naturally.
There are two primary computers in this project. One is the Intel Edison (which is no longer being manufactured and, is not to be confused with the intel edison shield for Arduino) The other is the Raspberry Pi 3b. Unfortunately, that is not entirely open source. Much of the firmware regarding the mathematics is proprietary.
-Free as in Libre (the American term Liberty is derived from that word); not Gratis. Or, if you prefer; Free Speech, not free beer.
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-rjan
My servers are Linux, my Laptop is Linux and I want my phone to be Linux so I can use all the all the Linux tools and ssh when I don't have my laptop.
I absolutely loved my Nokia N900, that was Linux and had a slide out keyboard. Also, I would like to be able to repair my phone, or at least change battery.
But I have to admit, the reason I would pay $1000+ for Librem 5 is mainly privacy. Google has stepped way over the line with Android. The straw was the Android 9 automatic update that broke my CAT S61 for a week. While I finally got it to work, I was stuck with the Google search bad on the home page. That alone is so annoying I decided to never buy another Android phone again. (Needless to say, Apple is not an option)
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My servers are Linux, my Laptop is Linux and I want my phone to be Linux so I can use all the all the Linux tools and ssh when I don't have my laptop.
I absolutely loved my Nokia N900, that was Linux and had a slide out keyboard. Also, I would like to be able to repair my phone, or at least change battery.
But I have to admit, the reason I would pay $1000+ for Librem 5 is mainly privacy. Google has stepped way over the line with Android. The straw was the Android 9 automatic update that broke my CAT S61 for a week. While I finally got it to work, I was stuck with the Google search bad on the home page. That alone is so annoying I decided to never buy another Android phone again. (Needless to say, Apple is not an option)
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Ph42oN
I ordered pinephone braveheart edition. I decided to buy it when i found about it, because im getting sick of my huawei that cant even be rooted, and i never really liked android anyway.
I have broken nokia N900, and i would say that was best phone. It was released in 2009, not 2011 like you said. One thing i miss is keyboard, i hope someone will make keyboard for pinephone.
I think if nokia didn't make deal with microsoft, and kept making linux phones they would have done much better.
I think that pinephone specs are enough for me, no need for anything more especially when i will not use bloated android.
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I ordered pinephone braveheart edition. I decided to buy it when i found about it, because im getting sick of my huawei that cant even be rooted, and i never really liked android anyway.
I have broken nokia N900, and i would say that was best phone. It was released in 2009, not 2011 like you said. One thing i miss is keyboard, i hope someone will make keyboard for pinephone.
I think if nokia didn't make deal with microsoft, and kept making linux phones they would have done much better.
I think that pinephone specs are enough for me, no need for anything more especially when i will not use bloated android.
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TheSulross
Want a Linux phone alternative for the same reasons you state - privacy concerns. The big tech companies have completely betrayed any public trust and are the major threats to be fearful of in our use of Internet connectedness. They spy, they censor, they propagandize, they even conspire together (Google Android and Facebook phone app. Companies are hip deep aligned with communist China, attempting to implement the same totalitarianism in the US that they have assisted communist China implementing in China. Facebook has murky origins as a DARPA project (Lifelog.
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Want a Linux phone alternative for the same reasons you state - privacy concerns. The big tech companies have completely betrayed any public trust and are the major threats to be fearful of in our use of Internet connectedness. They spy, they censor, they propagandize, they even conspire together (Google Android and Facebook phone app. Companies are hip deep aligned with communist China, attempting to implement the same totalitarianism in the US that they have assisted communist China implementing in China. Facebook has murky origins as a DARPA project (Lifelog.
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Kenneth
Although I appreciate your insights on privacy and security, I'm not into Linux phones for privacy. I've been a desktop Linux user for 20 years and have appreciated the stability, security, calmness and the virus-free experience of it. I have also seen the power of the Open source community which is bringing the whole world together as Internet makes it possible to collaborate in projects no matter where or who you are. I have flashed Ubuntu touch on one of my old phones and have ordered a Pinephone als I want to support and follow the Linux phone development.
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Although I appreciate your insights on privacy and security, I'm not into Linux phones for privacy. I've been a desktop Linux user for 20 years and have appreciated the stability, security, calmness and the virus-free experience of it. I have also seen the power of the Open source community which is bringing the whole world together as Internet makes it possible to collaborate in projects no matter where or who you are. I have flashed Ubuntu touch on one of my old phones and have ordered a Pinephone als I want to support and follow the Linux phone development.
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praetorxyn
Very unlikely. The people who care enough about privacy / Linux to buy a Linux phone have probably already just put it on an old Android phone anyway, and those people were a very miniscule number to begin with.
Most people simply don't care about privacy, and you need -most people- for mainstream success. It doesn't help that most companies pushing Linux tens to be piss poor at marketing Linux.
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Very unlikely. The people who care enough about privacy / Linux to buy a Linux phone have probably already just put it on an old Android phone anyway, and those people were a very miniscule number to begin with.
Most people simply don't care about privacy, and you need -most people- for mainstream success. It doesn't help that most companies pushing Linux tens to be piss poor at marketing Linux.
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Johann
I am in it for the geekdom.
Ubuntu touch on Android phones is the most exciting. They need to port Ubuntu to more modern and bigger screen phones.
Personally,
I don't care much about privacy, simply because 98% of phone users are compromised and I have no incentive to make that extra effort to hide my totally legitimate activities. TO each his own though.
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I am in it for the geekdom.
Ubuntu touch on Android phones is the most exciting. They need to port Ubuntu to more modern and bigger screen phones.
Personally,
I don't care much about privacy, simply because 98% of phone users are compromised and I have no incentive to make that extra effort to hide my totally legitimate activities. TO each his own though.
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Sanjay
I think we don't only need a phone with kill switches but apps that would change our wifi name, device ID, location etc, randomly everytime it's queried.
It should have some sort of vm capability to run Android apps, so one can run banking/OTP apps more securely on a minimalist install. Banks will never issue Linux apps so a wrapper is needed.
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I think we don't only need a phone with kill switches but apps that would change our wifi name, device ID, location etc, randomly everytime it's queried.
It should have some sort of vm capability to run Android apps, so one can run banking/OTP apps more securely on a minimalist install. Banks will never issue Linux apps so a wrapper is needed.
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