HW News - AMD 9800X3D, GN Updates, x86 Intel & AMD Partnership, EK Bank Accounts Blocked
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Date: 2024-10-23
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kevito666
During the 1980s and early 1990s, AMD and Intel had a complex relationship that ranged from collaboration to rivalry. They worked together under specific licensing agreements, which allowed AMD to produce Intel-compatible processors. Here's a breakdown of their collaboration during that era:
1. Intel's x86 Licensing to AMD (1982)
The most significant collaboration began in 1982 when Intel and AMD signed a technology exchange agreement. This was a requirement imposed by IBM, which wanted to ensure a second source for Intel's microprocessors. The deal allowed AMD to produce exact replicas of Intel’s 8086, 8088, 80286, and eventually, the 80386 microprocessors, ensuring that IBM and other companies could continue to get x86 processors even if Intel couldn’t meet demand.
AMD 8086/8088 Processors (early 1980s): AMD was licensed to produce clones of Intel's 8086/8088 processors, which were the brains behind early IBM-compatible PCs.
AMD 80286 and 80386 (mid-1980s to early 1990s): AMD also made its versions of these chips, which powered more advanced IBM-compatible PCs.
2. The End of the Agreement and Legal Battles (Late 1980s - Early 1990s)
The collaboration ended in the late 1980s when Intel decided to stop allowing AMD to clone its 80386 microprocessor. Intel had transitioned to producing its 80486 chip and sought to keep control over its technological advances. AMD, feeling it still had rights under the original agreement, began reverse-engineering Intel's chips to continue making x86-compatible processors.
This resulted in a lengthy legal battle, AMD v. Intel, which culminated in 1994 with AMD gaining the legal right to continue making x86-compatible processors, though without access to Intel's proprietary designs.
3. Post-Collaboration Era (Early 1990s)
After the partnership formally ended and the legal battle concluded, AMD began developing its own versions of x86 processors. This led to the creation of the AMD Am386 and Am486 chips, which were not just clones but offered competitive alternatives to Intel's processors. This competition set the stage for the fierce rivalry between the two companies that continues today.
Key Takeaways:
In the early 1980s, Intel licensed AMD to produce exact copies of its processors to meet IBM's demands for second-source suppliers.
AMD produced Intel-compatible chips (8086, 8088, 80286, and 80386) during this period.
The agreement ended in the late 1980s, leading to legal battles in the early 1990s, after which AMD moved on to design its own x86-compatible processors.
This early collaboration was critical in setting up AMD as a long-term competitor to Intel in the CPU market.
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During the 1980s and early 1990s, AMD and Intel had a complex relationship that ranged from collaboration to rivalry. They worked together under specific licensing agreements, which allowed AMD to produce Intel-compatible processors. Here's a breakdown of their collaboration during that era:
1. Intel's x86 Licensing to AMD (1982)
The most significant collaboration began in 1982 when Intel and AMD signed a technology exchange agreement. This was a requirement imposed by IBM, which wanted to ensure a second source for Intel's microprocessors. The deal allowed AMD to produce exact replicas of Intel’s 8086, 8088, 80286, and eventually, the 80386 microprocessors, ensuring that IBM and other companies could continue to get x86 processors even if Intel couldn’t meet demand.
AMD 8086/8088 Processors (early 1980s): AMD was licensed to produce clones of Intel's 8086/8088 processors, which were the brains behind early IBM-compatible PCs.
AMD 80286 and 80386 (mid-1980s to early 1990s): AMD also made its versions of these chips, which powered more advanced IBM-compatible PCs.
2. The End of the Agreement and Legal Battles (Late 1980s - Early 1990s)
The collaboration ended in the late 1980s when Intel decided to stop allowing AMD to clone its 80386 microprocessor. Intel had transitioned to producing its 80486 chip and sought to keep control over its technological advances. AMD, feeling it still had rights under the original agreement, began reverse-engineering Intel's chips to continue making x86-compatible processors.
This resulted in a lengthy legal battle, AMD v. Intel, which culminated in 1994 with AMD gaining the legal right to continue making x86-compatible processors, though without access to Intel's proprietary designs.
3. Post-Collaboration Era (Early 1990s)
After the partnership formally ended and the legal battle concluded, AMD began developing its own versions of x86 processors. This led to the creation of the AMD Am386 and Am486 chips, which were not just clones but offered competitive alternatives to Intel's processors. This competition set the stage for the fierce rivalry between the two companies that continues today.
Key Takeaways:
In the early 1980s, Intel licensed AMD to produce exact copies of its processors to meet IBM's demands for second-source suppliers.
AMD produced Intel-compatible chips (8086, 8088, 80286, and 80386) during this period.
The agreement ended in the late 1980s, leading to legal battles in the early 1990s, after which AMD moved on to design its own x86-compatible processors.
This early collaboration was critical in setting up AMD as a long-term competitor to Intel in the CPU market.
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gamersnexus
Jeez Steve..... I am not even ten minutes in and I see that I absolutely must re-up my patreon contribution. I stopped it when there was a bit of a rough patch and that is just life. But things have improved and I cannot justify not supporting the things you and your team do. I endorse all of these data preservation efforts. That is near and dear to my heart. Permanent URLs for everything and every effort you make for transparency and supporting the consumer is incredibly important. And KITTIES! You support kitties. I have given to Cat Angels a few times and now I am going to restart my tiny little support to another cause I actually want to succeed. Kudos to you and the entire team. Not guilt, just providing great examples of exemplary behavior. THAT is how motivation should be done. You and Louis surely know how to motivate positive behavior.
Peaceful Skies
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Jeez Steve..... I am not even ten minutes in and I see that I absolutely must re-up my patreon contribution. I stopped it when there was a bit of a rough patch and that is just life. But things have improved and I cannot justify not supporting the things you and your team do. I endorse all of these data preservation efforts. That is near and dear to my heart. Permanent URLs for everything and every effort you make for transparency and supporting the consumer is incredibly important. And KITTIES! You support kitties. I have given to Cat Angels a few times and now I am going to restart my tiny little support to another cause I actually want to succeed. Kudos to you and the entire team. Not guilt, just providing great examples of exemplary behavior. THAT is how motivation should be done. You and Louis surely know how to motivate positive behavior.
Peaceful Skies
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acidstorm001
AMD and Intel teaming up means they feel the heat. x86 architecture is old. It should have been laid to rest a long time ago. How much further can they push it I don't think the architecture has many years left in it. RISC and more recently, ARM have been nipping at the heels of the x86.
I can see this as being a good thing. Hopefully, compatibility between chips will tighten up as we always have this issue of (usually AMD) having problems with Windows and how their chip prefers to work. Seeing how Microsoft is a part of EAG maybe this will make things run a lot smoother in the near future with less hiccups between hardware and software for x86 CPUs no matter which companies CPUs you are buying.
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AMD and Intel teaming up means they feel the heat. x86 architecture is old. It should have been laid to rest a long time ago. How much further can they push it I don't think the architecture has many years left in it. RISC and more recently, ARM have been nipping at the heels of the x86.
I can see this as being a good thing. Hopefully, compatibility between chips will tighten up as we always have this issue of (usually AMD) having problems with Windows and how their chip prefers to work. Seeing how Microsoft is a part of EAG maybe this will make things run a lot smoother in the near future with less hiccups between hardware and software for x86 CPUs no matter which companies CPUs you are buying.
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Lurch-Bot
I think if you combined the macroarchitecture developments of intel CPUs with a Ryzen based microarchitecture and 3D cache, you would have a Super x86 CPU. It would hardly be a new thing for intel and AMD to be building essentially the same CPUs.
The logical evolution of the x86 duopoly would be to combine the best features of the two brands.
Introducing: The 'Ryzen Core Ultra 398X3D', lol.
Maybe they'll merge their CPU businesses to form 'intelligent Microdynamics', or iMD for short
Anybody else think it is supposed to be pronounced 'risen', as in 'AMD has risen from the dead'
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I think if you combined the macroarchitecture developments of intel CPUs with a Ryzen based microarchitecture and 3D cache, you would have a Super x86 CPU. It would hardly be a new thing for intel and AMD to be building essentially the same CPUs.
The logical evolution of the x86 duopoly would be to combine the best features of the two brands.
Introducing: The 'Ryzen Core Ultra 398X3D', lol.
Maybe they'll merge their CPU businesses to form 'intelligent Microdynamics', or iMD for short
Anybody else think it is supposed to be pronounced 'risen', as in 'AMD has risen from the dead'
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paulboyce8537
Arrow Lake is wasted if there is no Battlemage.
1. CUDIMM (10000 speed plus) would give 10-15% gains
2. PCIe 5.0 direct to CPU (REBAR on steroids) big jump
3. Selected motherboards with 8 pin power to PCIe 5.0 (extra power/buffer)
4. Intel Application Optimization (APO) has a promise 10-50% gains that would age like fine wine
5. Higher performance on E Cores and huge potential for overclocking tailor made for ARC architecture
6. XeSS XMX on par with DLSS
This is potentially 5080 performance if not better on a new build and you save fair bit.
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Arrow Lake is wasted if there is no Battlemage.
1. CUDIMM (10000 speed plus) would give 10-15% gains
2. PCIe 5.0 direct to CPU (REBAR on steroids) big jump
3. Selected motherboards with 8 pin power to PCIe 5.0 (extra power/buffer)
4. Intel Application Optimization (APO) has a promise 10-50% gains that would age like fine wine
5. Higher performance on E Cores and huge potential for overclocking tailor made for ARC architecture
6. XeSS XMX on par with DLSS
This is potentially 5080 performance if not better on a new build and you save fair bit.
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WochateStopy
If Microsoft makes CPU with Snapdragon/fixes software to work with it (since now its emulation mostly), i bet every other company's CPUs will get, accidentally, slowed down on Windows.
Then, depending on how fast courts work, this could be the end of x86.
Or maybe there will be two types of Windows 12, x86 and ARM (and since MS works with Snap - then ARM will be cheaper).
Personaly I don't care, as long as I can get a better product - so all that commotion may be a good thing.
PS. Will Intel and AMD merge in the future ;)
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If Microsoft makes CPU with Snapdragon/fixes software to work with it (since now its emulation mostly), i bet every other company's CPUs will get, accidentally, slowed down on Windows.
Then, depending on how fast courts work, this could be the end of x86.
Or maybe there will be two types of Windows 12, x86 and ARM (and since MS works with Snap - then ARM will be cheaper).
Personaly I don't care, as long as I can get a better product - so all that commotion may be a good thing.
PS. Will Intel and AMD merge in the future ;)
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CoffeeKittyGrey
Last thing we need is Intel ditching Arc. AMD aren't cutting it. NVidia GPU's are in the AMD CPU position of being able to offer very little value because the competition isn't viable.
Consumers need Intel Arc to compete, consumers need ARM (and even Apple) to compete in CPU space, 2024 so far has been awful. I'm not even interested in the 9800X3D tbh. Gonna sit on my current systems and wait for Zen6/Intel 16 in the hope something interesting happens.
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Last thing we need is Intel ditching Arc. AMD aren't cutting it. NVidia GPU's are in the AMD CPU position of being able to offer very little value because the competition isn't viable.
Consumers need Intel Arc to compete, consumers need ARM (and even Apple) to compete in CPU space, 2024 so far has been awful. I'm not even interested in the 9800X3D tbh. Gonna sit on my current systems and wait for Zen6/Intel 16 in the hope something interesting happens.
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lukesaosky1860
When should I replace my power supply I’ve been using the same Corsair AX850 since 2012. It and my main bulk storage hard drive are the only things that have stayed constant since I built my PC (as a side to the PSU thing, crystal disk says my HDD is in good health but is there another metric I should use for when to migrate a drive). I think if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, but is there a good reason to buy new PC parts when they seem to work fine
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When should I replace my power supply I’ve been using the same Corsair AX850 since 2012. It and my main bulk storage hard drive are the only things that have stayed constant since I built my PC (as a side to the PSU thing, crystal disk says my HDD is in good health but is there another metric I should use for when to migrate a drive). I think if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, but is there a good reason to buy new PC parts when they seem to work fine
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Artanis667
X86 is doomed... not only with the lingering threat of ARM and RISC-V (though lets be real, ARM has already won despite it being so early in the race), when it comes to big data and supercomputers, there's likely going to emerge an architecture based on 0-3 bit coding, a quantum computing CPU. X86 just cannot compete, neither ARM or RISC-V, which may end up being computational slaves to Q-bit supercomputers / databases
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X86 is doomed... not only with the lingering threat of ARM and RISC-V (though lets be real, ARM has already won despite it being so early in the race), when it comes to big data and supercomputers, there's likely going to emerge an architecture based on 0-3 bit coding, a quantum computing CPU. X86 just cannot compete, neither ARM or RISC-V, which may end up being computational slaves to Q-bit supercomputers / databases
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savagezerox
Wait.....Are you going Al Borland and making a Jumanji with Snowflakes moving around the board on their own, like in the Jumanji and Al's Tool Time games
Or you making a custom Snowflake Commander with her own Artifact-themed EDH/cEDH deck Maybe The Professor or Brian Kibler can help. And if they're unavailable, there's always Temu Kibler, aka Make-a-Wish Thor, aka Chris Hemsworth's ASL Voice Actor, Kyle Hill.
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Wait.....Are you going Al Borland and making a Jumanji with Snowflakes moving around the board on their own, like in the Jumanji and Al's Tool Time games
Or you making a custom Snowflake Commander with her own Artifact-themed EDH/cEDH deck Maybe The Professor or Brian Kibler can help. And if they're unavailable, there's always Temu Kibler, aka Make-a-Wish Thor, aka Chris Hemsworth's ASL Voice Actor, Kyle Hill.
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Jacob-kd3oe
Hey all, figured this would be the most informed comment section for this question I have. I've got a MSI Mag b660m mortar wifi ddr4 Motherboard and I'm thinking of upgrading my CPU from i7-12700k to a i9-14900k, would this be a bad idea with the newer Intel chips supposedly still having issues or have they been fixed for the most part (Thought I'd add here that I don't do any overclocking on any of my hardware)
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Hey all, figured this would be the most informed comment section for this question I have. I've got a MSI Mag b660m mortar wifi ddr4 Motherboard and I'm thinking of upgrading my CPU from i7-12700k to a i9-14900k, would this be a bad idea with the newer Intel chips supposedly still having issues or have they been fixed for the most part (Thought I'd add here that I don't do any overclocking on any of my hardware)
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masterluckyluke
I will always go for x86 for compatibility reasons. It would be a shame if the standard would vanish, only because other companies want to produce some competition. If x86 gets the right treatment it has absolutely no disadvantages over ARM or other standards no matter whart some PR people say. It's a good thing that AMD and Intel work together for the standard.
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I will always go for x86 for compatibility reasons. It would be a shame if the standard would vanish, only because other companies want to produce some competition. If x86 gets the right treatment it has absolutely no disadvantages over ARM or other standards no matter whart some PR people say. It's a good thing that AMD and Intel work together for the standard.
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endlosschleife
Thank you for the reminder for the charity shirt. I ordered one just before this came out but it was almost off my mind again. Too far away, I guess -.- Also thank you for the mega charts, I used them to put together a new system for a friend, it was soooo helpful! Looking forward to get the GN gear, it's great seeing you help people and animals near and far.
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Thank you for the reminder for the charity shirt. I ordered one just before this came out but it was almost off my mind again. Too far away, I guess -.- Also thank you for the mega charts, I used them to put together a new system for a friend, it was soooo helpful! Looking forward to get the GN gear, it's great seeing you help people and animals near and far.
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RiiiceCrackerr
AMD did not stepp back from making High end GPUs imo, they got kicked out.
i guess they will still do 7900XTX GPUs and better but they know they just cant compete with 4090 which is the high end, so they just say we are stepping back.
It's like you get fired from your job and then you say: im stepping back from my job, nah you got kicked :P
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AMD did not stepp back from making High end GPUs imo, they got kicked out.
i guess they will still do 7900XTX GPUs and better but they know they just cant compete with 4090 which is the high end, so they just say we are stepping back.
It's like you get fired from your job and then you say: im stepping back from my job, nah you got kicked :P
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gamersnexus
Alex kowaliuk here what Intel and AMD are teaming up for is x86 is ancient technology and the new architecture will be so different that they want to agree to work together to agree on the next generation CPU so that an entire company doesn't get left to die. In my humble opinion I believe the new tech will use light instead of electricity.
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Alex kowaliuk here what Intel and AMD are teaming up for is x86 is ancient technology and the new architecture will be so different that they want to agree to work together to agree on the next generation CPU so that an entire company doesn't get left to die. In my humble opinion I believe the new tech will use light instead of electricity.
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kevito666
Would be good for the tourist and new subs to have definitions of words on the website with hyperlinks, ie: SOP, so they can just click and look up the jargon. Keep up the good work everyone! I look forward to this year's disappointment shirt. I think you should have the intel LGA substrate/package at a 30 degree angle for me angst ;)
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Would be good for the tourist and new subs to have definitions of words on the website with hyperlinks, ie: SOP, so they can just click and look up the jargon. Keep up the good work everyone! I look forward to this year's disappointment shirt. I think you should have the intel LGA substrate/package at a 30 degree angle for me angst ;)
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JaenEngineering
I'm wondering if the plan is to open up x86 licensing. The original patents are well and truly expired and there's only so many upgrades you can make to keep a hold of them.
EDIT: It looks like the the x86-64 (AMD64) architecture that was developed in '99 are about to reach the end of their 25 year exclusivity limit.
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I'm wondering if the plan is to open up x86 licensing. The original patents are well and truly expired and there's only so many upgrades you can make to keep a hold of them.
EDIT: It looks like the the x86-64 (AMD64) architecture that was developed in '99 are about to reach the end of their 25 year exclusivity limit.
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Artista_Frustrado
the US really needs to start making a Lawset that makes it so Higher Ups can only get people unemployed if they pay out of pocket
Disove the studio Golden Parachute for everyone! Mass Layoffs not until you cut your entire board's salary! Expulsion Rooms to make employees quit Therapy check included
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the US really needs to start making a Lawset that makes it so Higher Ups can only get people unemployed if they pay out of pocket
Disove the studio Golden Parachute for everyone! Mass Layoffs not until you cut your entire board's salary! Expulsion Rooms to make employees quit Therapy check included
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PiroteusGaming
So the EAG or however it is called seasm to me, a desperate play to asure users that TPM is not there to take controll from you for the bought and payd for personal property. Damn PC users... why can't they be like Mobile users and just give up everything and their firstborn to the companies
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So the EAG or however it is called seasm to me, a desperate play to asure users that TPM is not there to take controll from you for the bought and payd for personal property. Damn PC users... why can't they be like Mobile users and just give up everything and their firstborn to the companies
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influentialgurning
Consolidation, regulation and homogenisation need some of the fanciest half-baked pabulum from the ecotechnocracystem to bamboozle and beguile the programmed programmers into believing that they will be happy, comfy and secure without competition.
Conform to supply, or don't even try.
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Consolidation, regulation and homogenisation need some of the fanciest half-baked pabulum from the ecotechnocracystem to bamboozle and beguile the programmed programmers into believing that they will be happy, comfy and secure without competition.
Conform to supply, or don't even try.
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