HW News - AMD 7600X3D & Intel 285K Leaks, Misleading RTX 4070, Black Myth Wukong Breaks Record
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Date: 2024-08-27
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lexzbuddy
Will Intel still exist in 5 years Will it be the victim of an aggressive take over Big tech giants have come and gone over the years. Intel can fail and the way they are going, they either need to entirely rethink their strategy or vanish. Brute force will no longer work, the laws of physics won't let them do it. They now need to be smart, develop things that people want and need and listen to their customers. That last one is more important than all else, if they don't, they will fail. I do not want them to fail, I want them to still be around in 10 years and be relevant. I don't want people at Intel to loose their jobs. I want them to fix their problems. They need to look at themselves, figure out what they need to do, reorganize and get back on track. It's sad to see but a long time in the making too so, it's hard to feel pity for them. They have always been an aggressive company and have never listened to their customers. They treat the law with contempt and behave in a very poor way professionally, both inwardly with their staff and outwardly with customers. Unless you have very deep pockets, they don't really care.
Rather than sort out their house, they've been trying to brute force their chips to keep up. That has failed. Now they need to do what they should have done 5 years ago, and that is going to hurt a lot. They still have money and resources so, they can do it. The question is, do they have the guts and tenacity to do it.
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Will Intel still exist in 5 years Will it be the victim of an aggressive take over Big tech giants have come and gone over the years. Intel can fail and the way they are going, they either need to entirely rethink their strategy or vanish. Brute force will no longer work, the laws of physics won't let them do it. They now need to be smart, develop things that people want and need and listen to their customers. That last one is more important than all else, if they don't, they will fail. I do not want them to fail, I want them to still be around in 10 years and be relevant. I don't want people at Intel to loose their jobs. I want them to fix their problems. They need to look at themselves, figure out what they need to do, reorganize and get back on track. It's sad to see but a long time in the making too so, it's hard to feel pity for them. They have always been an aggressive company and have never listened to their customers. They treat the law with contempt and behave in a very poor way professionally, both inwardly with their staff and outwardly with customers. Unless you have very deep pockets, they don't really care.
Rather than sort out their house, they've been trying to brute force their chips to keep up. That has failed. Now they need to do what they should have done 5 years ago, and that is going to hurt a lot. They still have money and resources so, they can do it. The question is, do they have the guts and tenacity to do it.
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GGigabiteM
Video card manufacturers have been guilty for fiddling memory for decades now. It was a really bad problem in the 90s when there were so many different competing memory standards that all had different characteristics.
To name a few: FPM, EDO, BEDO, VRAM, WRAM, SDRAM, SGRAM, DDR.
In the mid 2000s, both ATI and Nvidia were promoting crippled cards using buzzwords like TurboCache (Nvidia) and HyperMemory (ATI). DRAM was starting to get more expensive at the time, and the PCIe bus had just been released. So someone came up with the bright idea to include the barest of minimum memory on the card for a frame buffer and parasite a large chunk of system memory for texture storage when needed by games.
Both Nvidia and ATI preyed on the buzzwords to sell to unsuspecting buyers and minimized the language about the TCache and HMemory cards being much slower than their full counterparts. Instead of pointing out the cards as being crippled, they compared them to then Intel IGPs and how they were faster, instead of how crippled they actually were to full versions of those cards.
It never stopped being a problem.
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Video card manufacturers have been guilty for fiddling memory for decades now. It was a really bad problem in the 90s when there were so many different competing memory standards that all had different characteristics.
To name a few: FPM, EDO, BEDO, VRAM, WRAM, SDRAM, SGRAM, DDR.
In the mid 2000s, both ATI and Nvidia were promoting crippled cards using buzzwords like TurboCache (Nvidia) and HyperMemory (ATI). DRAM was starting to get more expensive at the time, and the PCIe bus had just been released. So someone came up with the bright idea to include the barest of minimum memory on the card for a frame buffer and parasite a large chunk of system memory for texture storage when needed by games.
Both Nvidia and ATI preyed on the buzzwords to sell to unsuspecting buyers and minimized the language about the TCache and HMemory cards being much slower than their full counterparts. Instead of pointing out the cards as being crippled, they compared them to then Intel IGPs and how they were faster, instead of how crippled they actually were to full versions of those cards.
It never stopped being a problem.
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yourmetalgod69
Maybe someone here can answer a question. Why are m-atx and Itx boards more than full size atx boards I get ITX kinda as it is far more complicated to make and may require more layers, but M-ATX should be cheaper with overall less parts on it due to the smaller size like the lack of all the PCIe slots and traces need for those. I want to do an M-ATX build but I am looking at mid grade boards like the TUF and similar types from Asrock and others. We all know we don't need the High-end MB to build gaming rigs as long as the power stages for the CPU are solid and stable. I am not even going to shoot for 670-E but keep things in the X50 levels for AMD boards. I dunno I get most price differences for products but not for the MB side of things.
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Maybe someone here can answer a question. Why are m-atx and Itx boards more than full size atx boards I get ITX kinda as it is far more complicated to make and may require more layers, but M-ATX should be cheaper with overall less parts on it due to the smaller size like the lack of all the PCIe slots and traces need for those. I want to do an M-ATX build but I am looking at mid grade boards like the TUF and similar types from Asrock and others. We all know we don't need the High-end MB to build gaming rigs as long as the power stages for the CPU are solid and stable. I am not even going to shoot for 670-E but keep things in the X50 levels for AMD boards. I dunno I get most price differences for products but not for the MB side of things.
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MxMoondoggie
Steve, of course does not mention the Chinese developer giving a list of demands to reviewers to not mention anything critical of China or unfavourable to them in reviews. Like most China apologists with something to gain from good relations, he'd rather go after Taiwanese companies or American ones to improve the Chinese government's image. Journalism that asks the hard questions and is on the side of the consumer....Unless it's critical of the Chinese government, Steve understands how to treat carefully for his benefactors. Gotta take care of those investments.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Gamers Nexus is being used for corporate espionage along with other China apologists who seem to be invited to China constantly.
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Steve, of course does not mention the Chinese developer giving a list of demands to reviewers to not mention anything critical of China or unfavourable to them in reviews. Like most China apologists with something to gain from good relations, he'd rather go after Taiwanese companies or American ones to improve the Chinese government's image. Journalism that asks the hard questions and is on the side of the consumer....Unless it's critical of the Chinese government, Steve understands how to treat carefully for his benefactors. Gotta take care of those investments.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Gamers Nexus is being used for corporate espionage along with other China apologists who seem to be invited to China constantly.
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Tenelia
RE: Wukong, please do not buy the game on console. As you all know, fast action games need to have extremely low latency inputs, but the game is so poorly optimized on PC and PS5 that it can't even manage consistent framerates. When mini-bosses or bosses use new movesets, the game hangs up for precious seconds. When you move into a new area with new assets, the game stutters. Even on my PC system with 32 GB ram and a 6950 xt, the game just does not load in the assets ahead of time or process it in a way that minimizes latency from start-to-end. If you're playing on console, you do NOT have options to tune specific settings. As of the current time, there's still no performance patches. Wait for that and ignore the astroturfing.
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RE: Wukong, please do not buy the game on console. As you all know, fast action games need to have extremely low latency inputs, but the game is so poorly optimized on PC and PS5 that it can't even manage consistent framerates. When mini-bosses or bosses use new movesets, the game hangs up for precious seconds. When you move into a new area with new assets, the game stutters. Even on my PC system with 32 GB ram and a 6950 xt, the game just does not load in the assets ahead of time or process it in a way that minimizes latency from start-to-end. If you're playing on console, you do NOT have options to tune specific settings. As of the current time, there's still no performance patches. Wait for that and ignore the astroturfing.
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gamersnexus
The CS2 keyboard thing -
As far as the last part goes -
If you have a keyboard that includes an input-automation feature (e.g., Snap Tap Mode), be sure to disable the feature before you join a match in order to avoid any interruption to your matches.
Sounds more like the SOCD feature is banned in matches, not devices. SOCD has also been a thing for years and it was Razer's attempt to bring it to market by their boards that got this whole thing rolling. Wooting released theirs which they had completed a long time ago, after Razer brought theirs to market and saw no repercussions, Wooting followed and basically flipped the on switch in a driver update.
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The CS2 keyboard thing -
As far as the last part goes -
If you have a keyboard that includes an input-automation feature (e.g., Snap Tap Mode), be sure to disable the feature before you join a match in order to avoid any interruption to your matches.
Sounds more like the SOCD feature is banned in matches, not devices. SOCD has also been a thing for years and it was Razer's attempt to bring it to market by their boards that got this whole thing rolling. Wooting released theirs which they had completed a long time ago, after Razer brought theirs to market and saw no repercussions, Wooting followed and basically flipped the on switch in a driver update.
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gamersnexus
Alex kowaliuk here, i dont know if you have time to read the comments but just in case you do iv been watching you because i didn't know anything about computers and now i know enough to buy my first real computer i had a Chromebook and i didn't understand why you could not game with it and i learned it didn't have a GPU or windows i think it had an old soc chip but im about to get an msi laptop with a 2000 or 3000 series GPU so that i can play stuff like Forza.
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Alex kowaliuk here, i dont know if you have time to read the comments but just in case you do iv been watching you because i didn't know anything about computers and now i know enough to buy my first real computer i had a Chromebook and i didn't understand why you could not game with it and i learned it didn't have a GPU or windows i think it had an old soc chip but im about to get an msi laptop with a 2000 or 3000 series GPU so that i can play stuff like Forza.
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gamersnexus
Ding ding ding
Potential for Corporate Welfare
One of the most prominent criticisms of the CHIPS Act is that it may amount to corporate welfare. The Act provides substantial subsidies to already profitable companies, raising concerns about the efficient use of taxpayer money. Critics argue that these companies, such as Intel, which have a history of outsourcing jobs and closing U.S. plants, are now being rewarded with government funds.
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Ding ding ding
Potential for Corporate Welfare
One of the most prominent criticisms of the CHIPS Act is that it may amount to corporate welfare. The Act provides substantial subsidies to already profitable companies, raising concerns about the efficient use of taxpayer money. Critics argue that these companies, such as Intel, which have a history of outsourcing jobs and closing U.S. plants, are now being rewarded with government funds.
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gamersnexus
The snap tap thing is dumb, especially when you consider the advantage only exists because valve screwed the pooch in porting CS to the new engine. Does rollover get you banned from CS now
What about all those accessibility controllers that are all just macros
Banning macros is always a dumb solution because it's the most accessible form of scripting that that takes 4 clicks to get going.
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The snap tap thing is dumb, especially when you consider the advantage only exists because valve screwed the pooch in porting CS to the new engine. Does rollover get you banned from CS now
What about all those accessibility controllers that are all just macros
Banning macros is always a dumb solution because it's the most accessible form of scripting that that takes 4 clicks to get going.
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tvance03
I build PCs and Thermal Grizzley Hydronaught is my go-to thermal paste. Also used and promoted by GN. It's in the middle of not cheap, not expensive, but it performs well and lasts for years. I’ve used it on many Ryzen 9 and i9 CPUs, and it does well. It also spreads easily out of the tube, which is something to consider, and im glad Jay noted this aspect in his discussion.
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I build PCs and Thermal Grizzley Hydronaught is my go-to thermal paste. Also used and promoted by GN. It's in the middle of not cheap, not expensive, but it performs well and lasts for years. I’ve used it on many Ryzen 9 and i9 CPUs, and it does well. It also spreads easily out of the tube, which is something to consider, and im glad Jay noted this aspect in his discussion.
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joeschmoe5009
I really wish zotac would do 24 or 32gbs of ram. 16 just isnt enough for a handheld. Thats the reason i sadly wont buy it. I was really excited for it too. But if you guys get 1 and review it, thatd be awesome. I feel zotac could do well in handhelds since theyre already 1 of the best mini pc makers, and i personally like their products
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I really wish zotac would do 24 or 32gbs of ram. 16 just isnt enough for a handheld. Thats the reason i sadly wont buy it. I was really excited for it too. But if you guys get 1 and review it, thatd be awesome. I feel zotac could do well in handhelds since theyre already 1 of the best mini pc makers, and i personally like their products
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azazelleblack
Bartlett Lake has nothing to do with replacements for Raptor Lake or whatever. Bartlett Lake is developed by Intel's NEX division; it's intended for edge compute systems in telecommunications. It is not intended for the consumer market and will not be launched to retail. It probably also won't be sold in consumer systems from OEMs.
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Bartlett Lake has nothing to do with replacements for Raptor Lake or whatever. Bartlett Lake is developed by Intel's NEX division; it's intended for edge compute systems in telecommunications. It is not intended for the consumer market and will not be launched to retail. It probably also won't be sold in consumer systems from OEMs.
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gamersnexus
11:01 soooooo im guessing those 2 sentences are run on... also does this X3D look like a topless bikini emoji the d is the bikini , the x is the shoulders and arms and the 3 is the ... shoulder blades... it also looks like someone with there eyes closed kissing a big D... since were on the topic of emojis
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11:01 soooooo im guessing those 2 sentences are run on... also does this X3D look like a topless bikini emoji the d is the bikini , the x is the shoulders and arms and the 3 is the ... shoulder blades... it also looks like someone with there eyes closed kissing a big D... since were on the topic of emojis
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colossalcubes
Zotac REALLY needs to change the name of their program. One launcher is way too close in name to 'one launch' the browser hijacker. If a consumer needs to redownload and install the program, say after an OS reinstall, it is incredibly likely they will download the hijacker by mistake.
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Zotac REALLY needs to change the name of their program. One launcher is way too close in name to 'one launch' the browser hijacker. If a consumer needs to redownload and install the program, say after an OS reinstall, it is incredibly likely they will download the hijacker by mistake.
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Neonmirrorblack
I really don't understand this new race for the handheld market. I'd imagine the R&D and manufacturing on them isn't cheap, and you'd need to sell a lot of units to see any kind of profit. Who was wanting a handheld that didn't already have either a Switch, a Steam Deck, or both
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I really don't understand this new race for the handheld market. I'd imagine the R&D and manufacturing on them isn't cheap, and you'd need to sell a lot of units to see any kind of profit. Who was wanting a handheld that didn't already have either a Switch, a Steam Deck, or both
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tab8201
We've been using null-movement scripts in Source games for a decade now so it's a bit silly to see Valve take action on it this late, but I guess it makes sense to have every player on an even playing field without changing in-game settings or adding a script file to your game directory.
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We've been using null-movement scripts in Source games for a decade now so it's a bit silly to see Valve take action on it this late, but I guess it makes sense to have every player on an even playing field without changing in-game settings or adding a script file to your game directory.
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gamersnexus
Until Intel offers a no questions asked money back 10 year warranty on every CPU they sell from now on they can get .
Oooh, awesome benchmarks. 10 minutes later, flames. But think about all those performance metrics when operating under real world liquid helium cooled conditions.
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Until Intel offers a no questions asked money back 10 year warranty on every CPU they sell from now on they can get .
Oooh, awesome benchmarks. 10 minutes later, flames. But think about all those performance metrics when operating under real world liquid helium cooled conditions.
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dslynx
Intel naming convention: Taking notes from AMD Get rid of the generation number so no-one can keep track, remarket old chips as new and provide a spinning wheel to be able to determine how old the processor you just got in that brand new laptop and learn it's 5 year old technology
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Intel naming convention: Taking notes from AMD Get rid of the generation number so no-one can keep track, remarket old chips as new and provide a spinning wheel to be able to determine how old the processor you just got in that brand new laptop and learn it's 5 year old technology
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Serketry88
I'm still waiting for a double X3D chip; why bother with core parking when they're all vcache cores Sure, that cache is temperature-sensitive, but the massive drops in wattage mean those CPUs aren't generating quite as much heat (that 150W 7950X3D over the 250W 7950X).
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I'm still waiting for a double X3D chip; why bother with core parking when they're all vcache cores Sure, that cache is temperature-sensitive, but the massive drops in wattage mean those CPUs aren't generating quite as much heat (that 150W 7950X3D over the 250W 7950X).
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Heakz
To be fair to Intel, I would be cutting down or replacing my sales and marketing group if everyone hated my company and yet they only manage to make everything worse; plus I just don't really think a lot of sales and marketing exists for any good reason the the first place.
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To be fair to Intel, I would be cutting down or replacing my sales and marketing group if everyone hated my company and yet they only manage to make everything worse; plus I just don't really think a lot of sales and marketing exists for any good reason the the first place.
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