Yay, we're 'ending the war on protein'
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Date: 2026-01-23
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TimContoveros
This sort of dialogue around on diet is dealing specifically with government recommendations and policy, not what people who are health conscious do on their own. The suggested issues with past recommendations are two-fold. The first was that it discouraged eating red meat and made protein something like 1/4 of your plate. The 2nd comes from the first, which is that this over-empahasis on eating less palatable versions of things and eating a huge amount of fresh fruits and vegetables is simply unrealistic and often not even filling for people. IMO always talking about how people should avoid white rice and white bread and stuff and brown rice and whole grain bread was a sticking point for a lot of people because the refined versions of them taste significantly better and are easier to work with.
What works better IMO is to encourage eating more protein with less restrictions on which meats you should eat, and to encourage eating small portions of any carbs (not sweets tho) on the side. It's much better for someone to eat some red meat, a few carbs, and a moderate amount of vegetables and get full than to eat a little chicken, some brown rice they don't like, and try and eat lots of salad and then get hungry later and eat unhealthy snacks. And people can also get bored with food, especially bland food, and that can drive them towards eating hyperpalatable processed foods which isn't good.
Fundamentally the goal of nutrition guidelines should be, IMO, to present people with a diet that feels achievable and enjoyable but that also works. If you tell people they need to eat lots of veggies and fruits and only a little brown rice and chicken, and then if they get hungry again eat more veggies/fruits. it just isn't going to happen. That's not our culture at all nor is it desirable. But if you tell people they can eat a solid portion of whatever meat they like, plus a small portion of white rice/pasta/potatoes or whatever, and then should have a side of veggies and Fruit as a snack or dessert, I think that sounds a lot more appealing. And from what I understand there's not a big difference between eating red meat vs poultry or brown rice vs white rice in terms of actual health impact. And so let's stop asking people to choose between an unreasonably dull and difficult diet (eat lots of salad with low fat dressing and a side of brown rice and chicken every day) or a fun and exciting (unhealthy) one and give them something that is enjoyable and manageable and works for variety, satiety, and a healthy society
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This sort of dialogue around on diet is dealing specifically with government recommendations and policy, not what people who are health conscious do on their own. The suggested issues with past recommendations are two-fold. The first was that it discouraged eating red meat and made protein something like 1/4 of your plate. The 2nd comes from the first, which is that this over-empahasis on eating less palatable versions of things and eating a huge amount of fresh fruits and vegetables is simply unrealistic and often not even filling for people. IMO always talking about how people should avoid white rice and white bread and stuff and brown rice and whole grain bread was a sticking point for a lot of people because the refined versions of them taste significantly better and are easier to work with.
What works better IMO is to encourage eating more protein with less restrictions on which meats you should eat, and to encourage eating small portions of any carbs (not sweets tho) on the side. It's much better for someone to eat some red meat, a few carbs, and a moderate amount of vegetables and get full than to eat a little chicken, some brown rice they don't like, and try and eat lots of salad and then get hungry later and eat unhealthy snacks. And people can also get bored with food, especially bland food, and that can drive them towards eating hyperpalatable processed foods which isn't good.
Fundamentally the goal of nutrition guidelines should be, IMO, to present people with a diet that feels achievable and enjoyable but that also works. If you tell people they need to eat lots of veggies and fruits and only a little brown rice and chicken, and then if they get hungry again eat more veggies/fruits. it just isn't going to happen. That's not our culture at all nor is it desirable. But if you tell people they can eat a solid portion of whatever meat they like, plus a small portion of white rice/pasta/potatoes or whatever, and then should have a side of veggies and Fruit as a snack or dessert, I think that sounds a lot more appealing. And from what I understand there's not a big difference between eating red meat vs poultry or brown rice vs white rice in terms of actual health impact. And so let's stop asking people to choose between an unreasonably dull and difficult diet (eat lots of salad with low fat dressing and a side of brown rice and chicken every day) or a fun and exciting (unhealthy) one and give them something that is enjoyable and manageable and works for variety, satiety, and a healthy society
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father4732
A lot of people approach change with cynicism, it's something I'm learning to avoid and resist.
Adam and his American pals view all change and progress in a way that allows them to cope with the fact that the change comes from a political movement that they hate personally.
I think you have to resist the urge and try to understand that change is good, whether or not it corresponds with progress is a different issue, and hopefully, it is a productive step forward, but you know. sometimes, it's worth being optimistic when change is manifest
I grew up in the 2000's and the food pyramid, from the 70's as you say, was taught to me, in fact there was no consensus on what a basic diet should be, or what dietary changes people should make to optimize their health to align better with their lifestyle. I saw all the adults I grew up around consult nutritionists and indulge in fad health foods and adopt strange diets, and yet. I found that it is a result of TikTok and only TikTok, that everyone I know now, today, understands that calories in/out determine weight loss/gain. I see a lot of people now extremely conscious of the fact that a high protein diet is difficult to manage without going above their maintainence threshold in terms of caloric intake.
I see the trend growing now, that people should consume a higher proportion of protein in general, this wasnt so common outside of health and fitness bubbles, now its mainstream and although the scientific basis for why we ought to do it might lag for some time, we can allocate more space in our plates for protein for intuitive reasons which are conpelling enough. not everything in life must be rational for us to embrace it.
Edit: I just heard the last minute of the video, very nice to hear this.
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A lot of people approach change with cynicism, it's something I'm learning to avoid and resist.
Adam and his American pals view all change and progress in a way that allows them to cope with the fact that the change comes from a political movement that they hate personally.
I think you have to resist the urge and try to understand that change is good, whether or not it corresponds with progress is a different issue, and hopefully, it is a productive step forward, but you know. sometimes, it's worth being optimistic when change is manifest
I grew up in the 2000's and the food pyramid, from the 70's as you say, was taught to me, in fact there was no consensus on what a basic diet should be, or what dietary changes people should make to optimize their health to align better with their lifestyle. I saw all the adults I grew up around consult nutritionists and indulge in fad health foods and adopt strange diets, and yet. I found that it is a result of TikTok and only TikTok, that everyone I know now, today, understands that calories in/out determine weight loss/gain. I see a lot of people now extremely conscious of the fact that a high protein diet is difficult to manage without going above their maintainence threshold in terms of caloric intake.
I see the trend growing now, that people should consume a higher proportion of protein in general, this wasnt so common outside of health and fitness bubbles, now its mainstream and although the scientific basis for why we ought to do it might lag for some time, we can allocate more space in our plates for protein for intuitive reasons which are conpelling enough. not everything in life must be rational for us to embrace it.
Edit: I just heard the last minute of the video, very nice to hear this.
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poofygoof
I wonder how much of RFK's rejection of enriching foods (like the folic acid masa) is attributable to serving the vitamins and supplements grifters -- rich people can afford better diets or (more likely) any necessary supplements. that the poors are the most likely to suffer is a bonus.
I grew up with vitamin-loving parents, saw a chiropractor, but after leaving for college decades ago never felt the need to take any sort of supplements or chiropracty. Visiting my father's home the last couple years, supplement-mania has only increased, and he has an entire counter full of not only standard alphabet vitamins, but various extracts from edible foodstuffs. I pressed him specifically about various vegetable extracts, suggesting if he had concerns he should eat an artichoke, or cook with some turmeric, or garlic, and his response was that he didn't want to do that, a pill was easier.
pressing further I asked him why he felt all these supplements were necessary, and it came down to a belief that he is avoiding the fate of his father who died of pancreatic cancer. that the vast amount of supplements are warding off his suffering at the same disease. he's retired, on a fixed income, and he hands a significant portion of it over to these grifters playing off his fear.
The required FDA disclaimer of This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease, is obviously being ignored. The intent is already there, I don't understand why there is no liability.
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I wonder how much of RFK's rejection of enriching foods (like the folic acid masa) is attributable to serving the vitamins and supplements grifters -- rich people can afford better diets or (more likely) any necessary supplements. that the poors are the most likely to suffer is a bonus.
I grew up with vitamin-loving parents, saw a chiropractor, but after leaving for college decades ago never felt the need to take any sort of supplements or chiropracty. Visiting my father's home the last couple years, supplement-mania has only increased, and he has an entire counter full of not only standard alphabet vitamins, but various extracts from edible foodstuffs. I pressed him specifically about various vegetable extracts, suggesting if he had concerns he should eat an artichoke, or cook with some turmeric, or garlic, and his response was that he didn't want to do that, a pill was easier.
pressing further I asked him why he felt all these supplements were necessary, and it came down to a belief that he is avoiding the fate of his father who died of pancreatic cancer. that the vast amount of supplements are warding off his suffering at the same disease. he's retired, on a fixed income, and he hands a significant portion of it over to these grifters playing off his fear.
The required FDA disclaimer of This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease, is obviously being ignored. The intent is already there, I don't understand why there is no liability.
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blubblurb
I didn't watch the whole video. But as someone who did Keto and then Carnivore and not doing it anymore. Health wise, I have never been better then by only eating meat. I wouldn't go as far as to say this will apply to anyone. But no one will ever talk me into the saturated fats are unhealthy for me. The more I ate the better I felt both physically and mentally.
Though I like the creator this video is bad. Try to overeat meat, try to overeat carbs. The latter is way easier. I just couldn't overeat on either Keto nor Carnivore.
And then on the take that the food pyramid was created that way because grain is cheep and scalable. I think the food pyramid should represent what is healthiest (though I think no one really knows) and not on what can be scaled the easiest.
Edit: Adam also hasn't understood that if you eat fat together with carbo hydrates it has a very different effect then if you eat fat seperate from carbo hydrates. The problem is fat will block the glycogen from entering the cells and because of that it will trigger a higher insulin response than if eaten seperate (seperate meaning at different times. You can look up Randle Cycle. And thus RFK claiming the meat is not the problem is a response to many studies that claim red meat is bad being done on the basis of red meat often being eaten with a lot of carbo hydrates.
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I didn't watch the whole video. But as someone who did Keto and then Carnivore and not doing it anymore. Health wise, I have never been better then by only eating meat. I wouldn't go as far as to say this will apply to anyone. But no one will ever talk me into the saturated fats are unhealthy for me. The more I ate the better I felt both physically and mentally.
Though I like the creator this video is bad. Try to overeat meat, try to overeat carbs. The latter is way easier. I just couldn't overeat on either Keto nor Carnivore.
And then on the take that the food pyramid was created that way because grain is cheep and scalable. I think the food pyramid should represent what is healthiest (though I think no one really knows) and not on what can be scaled the easiest.
Edit: Adam also hasn't understood that if you eat fat together with carbo hydrates it has a very different effect then if you eat fat seperate from carbo hydrates. The problem is fat will block the glycogen from entering the cells and because of that it will trigger a higher insulin response than if eaten seperate (seperate meaning at different times. You can look up Randle Cycle. And thus RFK claiming the meat is not the problem is a response to many studies that claim red meat is bad being done on the basis of red meat often being eaten with a lot of carbo hydrates.
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aragusea
second comment cause new rant Also for what its worth 'carbs' is a trash term and we really need to update the terminology, we got to 3 macros and decided that's good and never moved past it, its basically fat, proteins and everything else. Fiber, starch, sugar, etc are not all exactly the same thing. Yes your body can turn starch into blood glucose, but it can do that with protein as well, hell you might be able to argue that it sort of does that with fat in a pinch as well, cause that big brain needs its glucose to work. I don't think you can meaningfully argue the 'carbs' from broccoli are even related to the 'carbs' in bread either chemically or nutritionally they do not function in the body in the same way, they do not function in the diet the same way. Just like I don't think we can meaningfully argue the protein in most plants functions in the body the same way animal protein does, the body does not digest it the same, or use it the same, for better or worse, these are meaningfully 2 different nutrients, though seitan is marginally more interchangeable with steak nutritionally than broccoli is with rice, its still disengenoise to act like these are all the same thing.
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second comment cause new rant Also for what its worth 'carbs' is a trash term and we really need to update the terminology, we got to 3 macros and decided that's good and never moved past it, its basically fat, proteins and everything else. Fiber, starch, sugar, etc are not all exactly the same thing. Yes your body can turn starch into blood glucose, but it can do that with protein as well, hell you might be able to argue that it sort of does that with fat in a pinch as well, cause that big brain needs its glucose to work. I don't think you can meaningfully argue the 'carbs' from broccoli are even related to the 'carbs' in bread either chemically or nutritionally they do not function in the body in the same way, they do not function in the diet the same way. Just like I don't think we can meaningfully argue the protein in most plants functions in the body the same way animal protein does, the body does not digest it the same, or use it the same, for better or worse, these are meaningfully 2 different nutrients, though seitan is marginally more interchangeable with steak nutritionally than broccoli is with rice, its still disengenoise to act like these are all the same thing.
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jonas. lun. 94
The official presentation of the new food pyramid had associated with it a PDF with more detailed information on what are the new dietary guidelines. They are actually pretty good; for example, in the section about fats, they promote using olive oil, and recommend limiting the intake of saturated fats to levels that, I believe, are mostly in line with what other countries suggest. Of course, they do not mention classics like canola oil, instead recommending avocado oil, butter, tallow and lard, which means it would be very hard for anyone following their food recommendations to satisfy the nutrition recommendations.
In other words, the pyramid does not represent a radical departure from sensible dietary guidelines. It represents. nothing, really. It does not reflect the guidelines well at all, someone who only looks at the pyramid will have a warped sense of what they're meant to be eating. It is nothing more than a publicity stunt, albeit a very harmful one. Then again, I suspect people who know better will ignore it, and the kinds of people who will follow the new pyramid are those who merely want justification for their already excessive meat consumption.
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The official presentation of the new food pyramid had associated with it a PDF with more detailed information on what are the new dietary guidelines. They are actually pretty good; for example, in the section about fats, they promote using olive oil, and recommend limiting the intake of saturated fats to levels that, I believe, are mostly in line with what other countries suggest. Of course, they do not mention classics like canola oil, instead recommending avocado oil, butter, tallow and lard, which means it would be very hard for anyone following their food recommendations to satisfy the nutrition recommendations.
In other words, the pyramid does not represent a radical departure from sensible dietary guidelines. It represents. nothing, really. It does not reflect the guidelines well at all, someone who only looks at the pyramid will have a warped sense of what they're meant to be eating. It is nothing more than a publicity stunt, albeit a very harmful one. Then again, I suspect people who know better will ignore it, and the kinds of people who will follow the new pyramid are those who merely want justification for their already excessive meat consumption.
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zors3y
Licensed NDTR here!
the main benefit of switching from the food pyramid to MyPlate in 2011 was it's visual clarity as an education tool.
When developing these kinds of tools it's important to understand that the general reading level and reading comprehension is around 5th to 7th grade reading and they're designed with the majority in mind. Being able to point to MyPlate and advise visually build your plate with these ratios in mind is much easier to remember than eyeballing from the pyramid.
The actual written guidelines on dietary recommendations really hasn't changed with the new upside down pyramid especially with saturated fats. The biggest issue with the new guidelines is the graphical design nightmare that makes it appear that almost half your diet should be red meats. It removes the educational ability of the guidelines for the sake of cheap shock value and enraging headlines before lifting the hood and seeing that nothing really changed.
There is no war on protein in ba sing se
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Licensed NDTR here!
the main benefit of switching from the food pyramid to MyPlate in 2011 was it's visual clarity as an education tool.
When developing these kinds of tools it's important to understand that the general reading level and reading comprehension is around 5th to 7th grade reading and they're designed with the majority in mind. Being able to point to MyPlate and advise visually build your plate with these ratios in mind is much easier to remember than eyeballing from the pyramid.
The actual written guidelines on dietary recommendations really hasn't changed with the new upside down pyramid especially with saturated fats. The biggest issue with the new guidelines is the graphical design nightmare that makes it appear that almost half your diet should be red meats. It removes the educational ability of the guidelines for the sake of cheap shock value and enraging headlines before lifting the hood and seeing that nothing really changed.
There is no war on protein in ba sing se
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ancatdal
Vegan here. I know we get a bad rep for being holier than thou, and some of us certainly are. But thankfully, many of us know that we aren't the pinnacle of humanity, and that the desire to see the world a better place exist outside our circle of immediately like-minded people, and that we can work with, and learn from, others to all do better. Personally, I really want to work with people who don't necessarily agree with my ethical beliefs all the way, but agree that the world would be better if we (not all, but on average) ate more plant-based protein for health, climate, and to reduce the immense suffering of animals in modern industrial factory farms. If anyone has ideas for how to spread know-how about using plant-based proteins, how to show that it can be delicious as well as nutritious, and how to best combat misconceptions, then I would love to hear your thoughts!
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Vegan here. I know we get a bad rep for being holier than thou, and some of us certainly are. But thankfully, many of us know that we aren't the pinnacle of humanity, and that the desire to see the world a better place exist outside our circle of immediately like-minded people, and that we can work with, and learn from, others to all do better. Personally, I really want to work with people who don't necessarily agree with my ethical beliefs all the way, but agree that the world would be better if we (not all, but on average) ate more plant-based protein for health, climate, and to reduce the immense suffering of animals in modern industrial factory farms. If anyone has ideas for how to spread know-how about using plant-based proteins, how to show that it can be delicious as well as nutritious, and how to best combat misconceptions, then I would love to hear your thoughts!
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aragusea
It's so consistently frustrating how the food system is simplified in political discourse. The line about whether people were healthier in the pre-industrial food system is so necessary.
The advancements to population-level health and longevity in the 20th century are mind-boggling. However, those extraordinary advancements came with an extraordinary price, which we see play out in ecosystems, planetary health and, yes, human bodies today. But part of the reason food system change is so difficult is because more sustainable systems are expensive in the short-term, and the risks of getting it wrong can literally cost lives.
But it's much easier to fictionalise reality 50 years' ago, than it is to imagine something genuinely new which maintains the benefits of widespread nutrition whilst creating more sustainable systems of living.
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It's so consistently frustrating how the food system is simplified in political discourse. The line about whether people were healthier in the pre-industrial food system is so necessary.
The advancements to population-level health and longevity in the 20th century are mind-boggling. However, those extraordinary advancements came with an extraordinary price, which we see play out in ecosystems, planetary health and, yes, human bodies today. But part of the reason food system change is so difficult is because more sustainable systems are expensive in the short-term, and the risks of getting it wrong can literally cost lives.
But it's much easier to fictionalise reality 50 years' ago, than it is to imagine something genuinely new which maintains the benefits of widespread nutrition whilst creating more sustainable systems of living.
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AndreasK-b3j
Seeing the US governments extreme anti-climate stance, actively doing things because its bad for the environment and not even economically viable (for the government and country as a whole, very proftibale for the oil oligarchs lobbying for this behaviour, I would actually say the war on protein RFK Jr is talking about is veganism. Our diets (and the system behind feeding these diets) are enormously responsible for the environmental crises we're going through right now and veganism is the only viable solution as of right now, therefore if you want to destroy the climate movement you must destroy veganism. This is also supported by the fact that the only vegan protein shown in his food pyramid is whole grains which he is essentially advising against eating.
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Seeing the US governments extreme anti-climate stance, actively doing things because its bad for the environment and not even economically viable (for the government and country as a whole, very proftibale for the oil oligarchs lobbying for this behaviour, I would actually say the war on protein RFK Jr is talking about is veganism. Our diets (and the system behind feeding these diets) are enormously responsible for the environmental crises we're going through right now and veganism is the only viable solution as of right now, therefore if you want to destroy the climate movement you must destroy veganism. This is also supported by the fact that the only vegan protein shown in his food pyramid is whole grains which he is essentially advising against eating.
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lisabromley6824
Please don't lump all of us baby bloomers with RFK. Some of us, most of us, have some common sense. Also we predate the food pyramid and were taught the basic 4 food groups, meat, dairy, fruits and vegetables, and grains. No emphasis on amounts, but eat all everyday for a balanced diet. Not perfect but more toward a diet that had variety and not heavy on one part. I am 68 years old and have a degree in food science, so I also have seen this go around multiple times. My take is don't over eat and eat a variety of different kinds of food. Simple, but that's not what we want to hear and not what we do.
Thank you for your insightful podcasts, I do appreciate and enjoy them.
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Please don't lump all of us baby bloomers with RFK. Some of us, most of us, have some common sense. Also we predate the food pyramid and were taught the basic 4 food groups, meat, dairy, fruits and vegetables, and grains. No emphasis on amounts, but eat all everyday for a balanced diet. Not perfect but more toward a diet that had variety and not heavy on one part. I am 68 years old and have a degree in food science, so I also have seen this go around multiple times. My take is don't over eat and eat a variety of different kinds of food. Simple, but that's not what we want to hear and not what we do.
Thank you for your insightful podcasts, I do appreciate and enjoy them.
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tktyga77
Adam, assuming you aren't allergic to shellfish (sea bugs, have you ever taken on land & sky bugs It turns out those have a similar kind of range & versatility (from flavor & texture to powder) to sea bugs while having a bunch of micronutes & proteins for the resources they would need, often able to raise many of them in one garage or even a room. Bugs have been arguably as significant a part of humanity feeding as starches like grains & still is in most world parts, especially if you include shellfish (hence sea bugs) among them & the only real cause for concern & reservations one should have regarding rating them would already apply to shellfish
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Adam, assuming you aren't allergic to shellfish (sea bugs, have you ever taken on land & sky bugs It turns out those have a similar kind of range & versatility (from flavor & texture to powder) to sea bugs while having a bunch of micronutes & proteins for the resources they would need, often able to raise many of them in one garage or even a room. Bugs have been arguably as significant a part of humanity feeding as starches like grains & still is in most world parts, especially if you include shellfish (hence sea bugs) among them & the only real cause for concern & reservations one should have regarding rating them would already apply to shellfish
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aragusea
The number of sick, disabled, and bead babies on these men's hands will be a matter of historical fact once this is all done, in this country and others. Just from policy here, they are suggesting an set of infant immunizations that now prevent almost 100 percent of infant TB tranasmitions be stopped because its preventative not treatment. Folic acid deficiency in babies of mothers denied healthcare, pre-natal vitamins, and supplemented food trying to follow their recommendations, railing against iodized salt for people probably not eating any seafoods will lead to goiter and brain damage, and that's all just this weeks announcements.
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The number of sick, disabled, and bead babies on these men's hands will be a matter of historical fact once this is all done, in this country and others. Just from policy here, they are suggesting an set of infant immunizations that now prevent almost 100 percent of infant TB tranasmitions be stopped because its preventative not treatment. Folic acid deficiency in babies of mothers denied healthcare, pre-natal vitamins, and supplemented food trying to follow their recommendations, railing against iodized salt for people probably not eating any seafoods will lead to goiter and brain damage, and that's all just this weeks announcements.
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andyl980
Absolutely true! Great Protein Purge reached its peak when the previous Democratic Administrations deployed the US Marines to conduct high-stakes amphibious raids on local brunch spots to neutralize unauthorized omelets. Delta Force was frequently called in for surgical strikes on GNC warehouses, though most analysts agree these covert ops needed whey more attention to be truly effective. Not to be outdone, the Navy maintained a constant blockade, depth-charging schools of tuna to ensure that no seaside proteinor even a stray shrimp cocktailcould ever infiltrate our shores and threaten the national carb supply.
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Absolutely true! Great Protein Purge reached its peak when the previous Democratic Administrations deployed the US Marines to conduct high-stakes amphibious raids on local brunch spots to neutralize unauthorized omelets. Delta Force was frequently called in for surgical strikes on GNC warehouses, though most analysts agree these covert ops needed whey more attention to be truly effective. Not to be outdone, the Navy maintained a constant blockade, depth-charging schools of tuna to ensure that no seaside proteinor even a stray shrimp cocktailcould ever infiltrate our shores and threaten the national carb supply.
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killiemon
14: 19 actually I think the fact that it communicates very little makes it superior. Remembering a hierarchy with specific ideal ratios of food groups is just not realistic for most folks. The food pyramid in all its forms over the years has been remarkably ineffective on its own lol, so the specifics isn't important anyway. I'd argue the my plate was the best version yet as the only thing it communicates clearly is that you should have a varied diet of colorful whole food, and that's easy enough to remember and will get you like 90% of the way to an ideal diet right there lol
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14: 19 actually I think the fact that it communicates very little makes it superior. Remembering a hierarchy with specific ideal ratios of food groups is just not realistic for most folks. The food pyramid in all its forms over the years has been remarkably ineffective on its own lol, so the specifics isn't important anyway. I'd argue the my plate was the best version yet as the only thing it communicates clearly is that you should have a varied diet of colorful whole food, and that's easy enough to remember and will get you like 90% of the way to an ideal diet right there lol
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janxl. 8025
Im mid 20s now and since kindergarten thru elemantary and basically my whole school life the ppl with authority told us that eating meat isnt healthy, red meat is bad, pork is bad, chicken is bad, humans arent made for digesting meat, eat seed oils eat fruits, 30 percent of your diet should be carbs and so on.
This is the german experience, so Ill admit that, but with that past, Im glad mr kennedy tries to uncover the meddling of the industry in science over the past.
Im not saying his side doesnt participate in the same corruption, just that I dont care how it ends
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Im mid 20s now and since kindergarten thru elemantary and basically my whole school life the ppl with authority told us that eating meat isnt healthy, red meat is bad, pork is bad, chicken is bad, humans arent made for digesting meat, eat seed oils eat fruits, 30 percent of your diet should be carbs and so on.
This is the german experience, so Ill admit that, but with that past, Im glad mr kennedy tries to uncover the meddling of the industry in science over the past.
Im not saying his side doesnt participate in the same corruption, just that I dont care how it ends
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RubyJamez
The absence of deserts and sugar makes it confusing, because we'll, dry beans and cucumbers aren't on the chart, should we not be eating those either
And of course the price of it all is terrible. Do I want to eat ribye for dinner Sure. But even being a relatively well off person I can only afford to buy ribye for special occasions.
Really, nothing on this graph is cheap with exception of canned beans, potatoes, apples and grains, which, funny enough, are carb heavy products, and maybe also the ground considering it's the cheapest red meat.
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The absence of deserts and sugar makes it confusing, because we'll, dry beans and cucumbers aren't on the chart, should we not be eating those either
And of course the price of it all is terrible. Do I want to eat ribye for dinner Sure. But even being a relatively well off person I can only afford to buy ribye for special occasions.
Really, nothing on this graph is cheap with exception of canned beans, potatoes, apples and grains, which, funny enough, are carb heavy products, and maybe also the ground considering it's the cheapest red meat.
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joelpettlon9650
It's more that it was an encouragement of eating starches and sugars to than a war against protein, which ended up with insulin resistance and diabetes and weight gain, but it ends up similar. (edit: also, grass fed meats and eggs have much higher omega 3 levels than we've been getting from factory farmed meats for the past few decades and vegetable protein concentrates have their own health problems) The processed seed oils that are often in products are also a big issue for the inflammation and other problems they cause.
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It's more that it was an encouragement of eating starches and sugars to than a war against protein, which ended up with insulin resistance and diabetes and weight gain, but it ends up similar. (edit: also, grass fed meats and eggs have much higher omega 3 levels than we've been getting from factory farmed meats for the past few decades and vegetable protein concentrates have their own health problems) The processed seed oils that are often in products are also a big issue for the inflammation and other problems they cause.
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1911-f8h
MyPlate looks alright, I learned the food pyramid and I can't recall it even after seeing it again in your video, but MyPlate is very visual and really just teaches about diversification and de-emphasises careful weighing cause every slice looks kinda the same. The basics is eat a diverse diet (check, don't eat too many calories (check, if you actually eat 1/2 fruits and vegetables it will be very hard to eat to overshoot calories, less processed ingredients are better (only thing MyPlate misses.
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MyPlate looks alright, I learned the food pyramid and I can't recall it even after seeing it again in your video, but MyPlate is very visual and really just teaches about diversification and de-emphasises careful weighing cause every slice looks kinda the same. The basics is eat a diverse diet (check, don't eat too many calories (check, if you actually eat 1/2 fruits and vegetables it will be very hard to eat to overshoot calories, less processed ingredients are better (only thing MyPlate misses.
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gabsay
another point about plant protein in the future is that if we want to shift to a less chemical fertilizer heavy mode of agriculture, we will produce a lot more legumes, as they are needed as nitrogen fixers. So thats beans, lentil, chickpeas and split peas. So as petrol derived products get more expensive and we are increasingly aware of system damages through eutrophication etc we will see this shift of the grain to legume ratio regardless, better build the habits now to actually use that.
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another point about plant protein in the future is that if we want to shift to a less chemical fertilizer heavy mode of agriculture, we will produce a lot more legumes, as they are needed as nitrogen fixers. So thats beans, lentil, chickpeas and split peas. So as petrol derived products get more expensive and we are increasingly aware of system damages through eutrophication etc we will see this shift of the grain to legume ratio regardless, better build the habits now to actually use that.
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