Why was Yugoslavia formed in the first place (Short Animated Documentary)
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Date: 2025-01-19
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MiljanGacevic
At the peace conference in Versailles after the end of the war conflicts, Serbia came up with the idea to first limit the area of Greater Serbia, which would include all the historical and ethnically Serbian areas, and only then enter the united state. That idea was expressly rejected by Great Britain, France and the United States. What Serbia was offered was either unification under a Serbian cap, a Serbian dynasty and a Serbian ruling structure in Belgrade, or the restoration of Austria-Hungary with a unified Slavic element based in Zagreb (alongside the Hungarian in Budapest and the German in Vienna. Serbia, after the war and the enormous sacrifices, could not allow the re-creation of the Austro-Hungarian and state border at the Branko bridge, the bridge on the Ada and Sava rivers and the Danube. And that's how the kingdom was founded, mind you that Croats and Slovenes would never have a country if there wasn't for Serbs.
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At the peace conference in Versailles after the end of the war conflicts, Serbia came up with the idea to first limit the area of Greater Serbia, which would include all the historical and ethnically Serbian areas, and only then enter the united state. That idea was expressly rejected by Great Britain, France and the United States. What Serbia was offered was either unification under a Serbian cap, a Serbian dynasty and a Serbian ruling structure in Belgrade, or the restoration of Austria-Hungary with a unified Slavic element based in Zagreb (alongside the Hungarian in Budapest and the German in Vienna. Serbia, after the war and the enormous sacrifices, could not allow the re-creation of the Austro-Hungarian and state border at the Branko bridge, the bridge on the Ada and Sava rivers and the Danube. And that's how the kingdom was founded, mind you that Croats and Slovenes would never have a country if there wasn't for Serbs.
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clayfour9721
I am always surprised why the Albanians never get their deserved place when talking abour Yugoslavia. not only did they make up a huge part of thr country (3rd biggest ethnicity in Yug in the 80s) but also it was them who did not feel included in this idea for the most amount of time PLUS it is their protest and discrimination which began (maybe not began, but at least played an important part) the downwards spiral (e. g. slovenian leaders calling for unity after treatment of Albanian protesters in Trepca mine in late 80s/early 90s, also it was this incident [=their discrimination] which began sovereignity-talks) and many more facts. I realky feel like they've been left out and that through maybe some Orientalist view they are not seen as having got active agency until the mid-90s. Still an informational video!
And yes I know, this video is not about the breakup, but still felt that I have to say this!
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I am always surprised why the Albanians never get their deserved place when talking abour Yugoslavia. not only did they make up a huge part of thr country (3rd biggest ethnicity in Yug in the 80s) but also it was them who did not feel included in this idea for the most amount of time PLUS it is their protest and discrimination which began (maybe not began, but at least played an important part) the downwards spiral (e. g. slovenian leaders calling for unity after treatment of Albanian protesters in Trepca mine in late 80s/early 90s, also it was this incident [=their discrimination] which began sovereignity-talks) and many more facts. I realky feel like they've been left out and that through maybe some Orientalist view they are not seen as having got active agency until the mid-90s. Still an informational video!
And yes I know, this video is not about the breakup, but still felt that I have to say this!
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harbinger200
Western historians seem to not be able to grasp history in Yugoslavia/Serbia because huge amount of knowledge you need to have to understand what happened. Both Yugislavias first - kingdom and Second communist where a western political elites project. It was designed to fail from the start, be kept for some time and then dissolve as needed. First Yugoslavia's king Aleksandar was a European puppet, communist Tito was again UK/US puppet. Main purpose of Yugoslavia is cutting up Serbs that lived historically for at least two thousand years on the territory in to several new nations and ethnically cleansing them. Exactly that happened in ww1 and ww2. Serbs suffered heavy genocide and lost some 3 million people to croats, autrohungarians and germans.
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Western historians seem to not be able to grasp history in Yugoslavia/Serbia because huge amount of knowledge you need to have to understand what happened. Both Yugislavias first - kingdom and Second communist where a western political elites project. It was designed to fail from the start, be kept for some time and then dissolve as needed. First Yugoslavia's king Aleksandar was a European puppet, communist Tito was again UK/US puppet. Main purpose of Yugoslavia is cutting up Serbs that lived historically for at least two thousand years on the territory in to several new nations and ethnically cleansing them. Exactly that happened in ww1 and ww2. Serbs suffered heavy genocide and lost some 3 million people to croats, autrohungarians and germans.
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happyswift
Serbia didn't do well militarily. It did well politically. It barely won any major battles as its Allies bore the brunt of the war during the Balkan wars and the WW1. It just ended up on the winning side. When WW1 was over nobody in Paris or London really cared about the Balkans. The big issues at that time were the Soviet revolution, division of Ottoman territory in the Middle East, what to do with Germany. Yugoslavia happened as a gift from the Entente to Serbia for being on their side during the war. Once geopolitics changed in the 1990s, the very same allies of Serbia bombed it back to the stone age.
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Serbia didn't do well militarily. It did well politically. It barely won any major battles as its Allies bore the brunt of the war during the Balkan wars and the WW1. It just ended up on the winning side. When WW1 was over nobody in Paris or London really cared about the Balkans. The big issues at that time were the Soviet revolution, division of Ottoman territory in the Middle East, what to do with Germany. Yugoslavia happened as a gift from the Entente to Serbia for being on their side during the war. Once geopolitics changed in the 1990s, the very same allies of Serbia bombed it back to the stone age.
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AttilatheNun-xv6kc
There was a religious dimension to this which the video failed to address. The Slovenes and Croats were Catholic and were far more comfortable being ruled from Vienna and Budapest than from Orthodox Belgrade. The majority Muslim inhabitants of Bosnia-Herzegovina, don't forget, enjoyed full religious freedom under Habsburg rule but were far from certain they'd have the same degree of religious freedom under Serb rule.
The formation of Yugoslavia was less like a cozy and happy agreement and more like a shotgun wedding with Serbia acting as both the groom and as the father of the bride.
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There was a religious dimension to this which the video failed to address. The Slovenes and Croats were Catholic and were far more comfortable being ruled from Vienna and Budapest than from Orthodox Belgrade. The majority Muslim inhabitants of Bosnia-Herzegovina, don't forget, enjoyed full religious freedom under Habsburg rule but were far from certain they'd have the same degree of religious freedom under Serb rule.
The formation of Yugoslavia was less like a cozy and happy agreement and more like a shotgun wedding with Serbia acting as both the groom and as the father of the bride.
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AhahhhOhogo
Hi, Grest video and I do enjoy it but just a slight corrections. Map at 1: 27 makes it seem like Slovene and Croat populations were not present in Istria and what is today Littoral Slovenia when majority of the population other than in coastal cities was Slavic. On another note Slovenes did want to be ruled from Vienna. They (part of political Elite that also met on Corfu) wanted better representation and more rights and being equal to Hungarians and Austrians. Such example is May Declaration in 1917 presented to the pairlament. Thank you and keep up the good work. :)
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Hi, Grest video and I do enjoy it but just a slight corrections. Map at 1: 27 makes it seem like Slovene and Croat populations were not present in Istria and what is today Littoral Slovenia when majority of the population other than in coastal cities was Slavic. On another note Slovenes did want to be ruled from Vienna. They (part of political Elite that also met on Corfu) wanted better representation and more rights and being equal to Hungarians and Austrians. Such example is May Declaration in 1917 presented to the pairlament. Thank you and keep up the good work. :)
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darkozver5801
I was reading some slovene newspaper from before the formation of SHS kingdom. There was significant slovene pushback to it. It was clear to the intellectuals that the Serbs want to make a great Serbia and want to assimilate the nations into its. Newspapers after ww2 confirmed that, but was written that the Serbs promised they wouldn’t do it again in the newly formed Republic of Yugoslavia. As we learned in history, they did the same thing again. Seems like they have this tendency deeply rooted. Different generations but same mentality.
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I was reading some slovene newspaper from before the formation of SHS kingdom. There was significant slovene pushback to it. It was clear to the intellectuals that the Serbs want to make a great Serbia and want to assimilate the nations into its. Newspapers after ww2 confirmed that, but was written that the Serbs promised they wouldn’t do it again in the newly formed Republic of Yugoslavia. As we learned in history, they did the same thing again. Seems like they have this tendency deeply rooted. Different generations but same mentality.
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history_matters
It's a story as old as history. When fighting for independence against a larger empire, the rebels are desperate enough for friends that the cause of independence is all that matters. They will work with anyone, even people with whom they agree on nothing else, if it gives hope to their uphill battle for freedom.
But once Independence is achieved, and these disparate groups no longer have a common enemy, they realize that they never really had anything else in common, and they remember that they don't like each other very much.
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It's a story as old as history. When fighting for independence against a larger empire, the rebels are desperate enough for friends that the cause of independence is all that matters. They will work with anyone, even people with whom they agree on nothing else, if it gives hope to their uphill battle for freedom.
But once Independence is achieved, and these disparate groups no longer have a common enemy, they realize that they never really had anything else in common, and they remember that they don't like each other very much.
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dudoboi
Not recently Bosnians - we were here all along. It's our peaceful neighbours that tried to wipe out our identity, language and religion. And for a certain part of the 19th and 20th century, we weren't allowed to call ourselves Bosnians or speak Bosnian officially (a decision of the Austria-Hungary government. That's why there are only mentions of Serbs and Croats in Yugoslavia, and the so called Serbo-Croatian language. Bosnian language existed for just as long as the other two and there is plenty of evidence of it.
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Not recently Bosnians - we were here all along. It's our peaceful neighbours that tried to wipe out our identity, language and religion. And for a certain part of the 19th and 20th century, we weren't allowed to call ourselves Bosnians or speak Bosnian officially (a decision of the Austria-Hungary government. That's why there are only mentions of Serbs and Croats in Yugoslavia, and the so called Serbo-Croatian language. Bosnian language existed for just as long as the other two and there is plenty of evidence of it.
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slothfulcobra
It made a lot of sense that in a Europe defined by large, powerful, united nations, that most of the smaller nations should join together to be able to hold their ground against their large neighbors. That was why Italy happened, disunited Italy was just a playground for the other Great Powers, but united Italy could do more on its own.
And it worked for a little while until it didn't.
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It made a lot of sense that in a Europe defined by large, powerful, united nations, that most of the smaller nations should join together to be able to hold their ground against their large neighbors. That was why Italy happened, disunited Italy was just a playground for the other Great Powers, but united Italy could do more on its own.
And it worked for a little while until it didn't.
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NekiLik2351
Fun fact: There actually were plans to incorporate Bulgaria into Yugoslavia after WW1. It was supposed to be done peacefully over time by improving relations and spreading South Slavic nationalism. But WW2 and the rise of fascism stopped this. Afterwards Bulgaria fell into Soviet hands and the idea was dead.
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Fun fact: There actually were plans to incorporate Bulgaria into Yugoslavia after WW1. It was supposed to be done peacefully over time by improving relations and spreading South Slavic nationalism. But WW2 and the rise of fascism stopped this. Afterwards Bulgaria fell into Soviet hands and the idea was dead.
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juicebox6581
If it had stayed unified, europe likely would have been a whole lot more peaceful and productive. But right now that region hates each other and it's a real shame. It could be a decent European power. Instead it's part of a very balkanized region with nobody having any power and everyone being equally weak
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If it had stayed unified, europe likely would have been a whole lot more peaceful and productive. But right now that region hates each other and it's a real shame. It could be a decent European power. Instead it's part of a very balkanized region with nobody having any power and everyone being equally weak
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selimcelik3494
For some reason it just hit me that the Ottomans and Austro Hungarians, after fighting each other for centuries, ultimately collapsed at the same time for the same reasons (losing the Great War and subjects rebelling against them) fighting alongside each other. Rather poetic.
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For some reason it just hit me that the Ottomans and Austro Hungarians, after fighting each other for centuries, ultimately collapsed at the same time for the same reasons (losing the Great War and subjects rebelling against them) fighting alongside each other. Rather poetic.
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jannepeltonen2036
I think, or at least how I understood it at the time, was that there were some specific leaders who raised the flames of ethno-nationalism in order to get power. So saying that it was ethnic tensions that resulted in it breaking apart is, I don't know, a bit simplistic.
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I think, or at least how I understood it at the time, was that there were some specific leaders who raised the flames of ethno-nationalism in order to get power. So saying that it was ethnic tensions that resulted in it breaking apart is, I don't know, a bit simplistic.
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history_matters
As Radovan Karadzic said, Yugoslavia shouldn't ever be created, it was doomed from inception. The Serbs were promised Croatia and Slovenia by Antanta during WW1. The problem was the way it disintegrated, it broke up exactly like Tito put the borders.
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As Radovan Karadzic said, Yugoslavia shouldn't ever be created, it was doomed from inception. The Serbs were promised Croatia and Slovenia by Antanta during WW1. The problem was the way it disintegrated, it broke up exactly like Tito put the borders.
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