20 years vegan, now i fish & eat meat - this is why
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Date: 2025-05-31
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robertorossi4361
I know I’m a bit all over the place herejust thinking out loud and bouncing between pointsbut hopefully it still makes some sense.
I was vegan for three years. My daughter, who’s now 25, has been vegan for over five years. She’s had some health issues during that time, though she didn’t initially connect them to her diet. She’s doing better now, but I personally stopped being vegan because I just feel significantly better eating mostly animal products.
Without diving too deep into the details, I think the logic behind it is fairly simple. My daughter used to have fruit and vegetable shakes with soy or almond milk almost every day, and she frequently complained about stomach pain and bloating. I had similar issues when I was vegan. But since switching to a diet based on eggs, meat, and other animal products, those issues have completely disappeared. Why keep eating things that make you feel bloated or uncomfortable That’s your body telling you something’s not right. It really can be that simple.
Also, just seeing how people on keto or carnivore diets seem to thrive makes this way of eating even more compelling. I’m convinced that animal-based diets lead to less plaque buildup and better overall health. Refined carbs, in particular, seem to be a major factor behind many modern diseasesespecially when overconsumed, which is all too common in the West.
And the thing is, overconsuming carbs is just so easy. Your body doesn’t always send clear signals to stop. Take this as an example: I can drink a liter of orange juice and still not feel like my thirst is quenched, but half a liter of water usually does the trick. If I drink a full liter of water, I feel full and definitely not thirsty anymore. Even when the carbs aren’t refined, they can still mess with your body’s signals and make you eat or drink more than you need.
It’s the same with food. When I eat fatty meat, I reach a natural stopping point where I’m full and don’t want another bite. But with foods like pizza, burgers, or rice and sauce, I can keep eating until I feel completely stuffed. On a carnivore diet, I could eat until satisfied, every day, without issuesand still lose excess weight. But on a so-called normal diet, I tend to overeat and gain weight really quickly.
Of course, I understand that everyone’s body is different and there’s no one-size-fits-all solution. But honestly, I find it hard to believe that cutting out carbs could make anyone less healthy. If anything, it seems to do the opposite.
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I know I’m a bit all over the place herejust thinking out loud and bouncing between pointsbut hopefully it still makes some sense.
I was vegan for three years. My daughter, who’s now 25, has been vegan for over five years. She’s had some health issues during that time, though she didn’t initially connect them to her diet. She’s doing better now, but I personally stopped being vegan because I just feel significantly better eating mostly animal products.
Without diving too deep into the details, I think the logic behind it is fairly simple. My daughter used to have fruit and vegetable shakes with soy or almond milk almost every day, and she frequently complained about stomach pain and bloating. I had similar issues when I was vegan. But since switching to a diet based on eggs, meat, and other animal products, those issues have completely disappeared. Why keep eating things that make you feel bloated or uncomfortable That’s your body telling you something’s not right. It really can be that simple.
Also, just seeing how people on keto or carnivore diets seem to thrive makes this way of eating even more compelling. I’m convinced that animal-based diets lead to less plaque buildup and better overall health. Refined carbs, in particular, seem to be a major factor behind many modern diseasesespecially when overconsumed, which is all too common in the West.
And the thing is, overconsuming carbs is just so easy. Your body doesn’t always send clear signals to stop. Take this as an example: I can drink a liter of orange juice and still not feel like my thirst is quenched, but half a liter of water usually does the trick. If I drink a full liter of water, I feel full and definitely not thirsty anymore. Even when the carbs aren’t refined, they can still mess with your body’s signals and make you eat or drink more than you need.
It’s the same with food. When I eat fatty meat, I reach a natural stopping point where I’m full and don’t want another bite. But with foods like pizza, burgers, or rice and sauce, I can keep eating until I feel completely stuffed. On a carnivore diet, I could eat until satisfied, every day, without issuesand still lose excess weight. But on a so-called normal diet, I tend to overeat and gain weight really quickly.
Of course, I understand that everyone’s body is different and there’s no one-size-fits-all solution. But honestly, I find it hard to believe that cutting out carbs could make anyone less healthy. If anything, it seems to do the opposite.
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jake_nicolle
I have been vegan for 18 years. In your case, it makes sense to not be vegan since you live in the wilderness, have access to the ocean and consume just for yourself rather than consuming transformed vegan products. The problem with consuming fish for the average person is that it comes from overfishing trolling boats that kill the ocean floor along with all kinds of sea creatures that agonize on the boat. I do not see the point of eating meat, even grass fed meat, if you have fish already. Those cows all end up in the same sad slaughterhouse. And What are you going to do with the male goats for the goat milk you want the female goats to produce Are you going to kill them yourself or send them to slaughter
Not everyone can and will leave in the wild like you do. There is a reason why Oxford University has deemed a vegan diet the most environmental friendly diet. Think about all those cereals or plants to feed the cattle destined to be slaughtered and all animals killed either in that process or all the wild animals killed to protect the animals people want to eat. This is the main reason of deforestation in Brazil: meat and soy beans destined to those animals. And if everyone was consuming grass fed meat, we would need another planet.
So in conclusion, for you, it makes sense not to be vegan anymore. For me, it doesn’t. ( I grow some of my food, I compost, and I have no health issues or symptoms.
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I have been vegan for 18 years. In your case, it makes sense to not be vegan since you live in the wilderness, have access to the ocean and consume just for yourself rather than consuming transformed vegan products. The problem with consuming fish for the average person is that it comes from overfishing trolling boats that kill the ocean floor along with all kinds of sea creatures that agonize on the boat. I do not see the point of eating meat, even grass fed meat, if you have fish already. Those cows all end up in the same sad slaughterhouse. And What are you going to do with the male goats for the goat milk you want the female goats to produce Are you going to kill them yourself or send them to slaughter
Not everyone can and will leave in the wild like you do. There is a reason why Oxford University has deemed a vegan diet the most environmental friendly diet. Think about all those cereals or plants to feed the cattle destined to be slaughtered and all animals killed either in that process or all the wild animals killed to protect the animals people want to eat. This is the main reason of deforestation in Brazil: meat and soy beans destined to those animals. And if everyone was consuming grass fed meat, we would need another planet.
So in conclusion, for you, it makes sense not to be vegan anymore. For me, it doesn’t. ( I grow some of my food, I compost, and I have no health issues or symptoms.
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dddiaz-velez3630
Fascinating conversation! I understood so much of the vegan theology w/this honest conversation. Thank you.
I'm familiar with some of these cult-ish things you mention: dont have kids, humans are bad. are all demonic (if you ask me.
I found it so impressive how you described eating that halibut as a spiritual, corporal, orgasmic, emotional experience. wow! Regardless of your belief in God or not, he created us to rule over the animals and populate the earth, so those terms are very atheistic & anti God's purposes for the human race. Its sad. God created all things so perfectly with the intention to procreate, reproduce & multiply its so scientifically proven, but above all is the human, his most precious creation. just look at the 2 miracles you're holding, which didnt come from nothing. Wonderfully created by God. I loved River's participation, she's def the chattiest one, how precious are they both! I love to see how different they are from each other. Stay safe out there!
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Fascinating conversation! I understood so much of the vegan theology w/this honest conversation. Thank you.
I'm familiar with some of these cult-ish things you mention: dont have kids, humans are bad. are all demonic (if you ask me.
I found it so impressive how you described eating that halibut as a spiritual, corporal, orgasmic, emotional experience. wow! Regardless of your belief in God or not, he created us to rule over the animals and populate the earth, so those terms are very atheistic & anti God's purposes for the human race. Its sad. God created all things so perfectly with the intention to procreate, reproduce & multiply its so scientifically proven, but above all is the human, his most precious creation. just look at the 2 miracles you're holding, which didnt come from nothing. Wonderfully created by God. I loved River's participation, she's def the chattiest one, how precious are they both! I love to see how different they are from each other. Stay safe out there!
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carladowell5475
I went vegan in 2012. My slender, marathon running husband needed a stint in his heart that same year, so I convinced him to not only go vegan but completely give up all fats: no avocado, no nuts, no seeds, no olive oil. I got this from Caldwell Esselstyne’s books. A few years later after being on a very strict, whole food, plant based diet, he needed open heart surgery. Still he stuck with it. Now 13 years in he has been diagnosed with Parkinson’s. I strongly suspect the lack of fat in his diet has played a contributing factor. His dementia worsens daily. I gave up on being a vegan after 10 years. Like you, I thought I was saving the world. Now I feel like I drank the cool aid. My husband does eat salmon and tuna now and fats, but no butter. He will eat egg if it is cooked in stir fry but won’t eat an egg cooked for breakfast. However, now he also eats all the fake meats which I am convinced are no good for you at all.
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I went vegan in 2012. My slender, marathon running husband needed a stint in his heart that same year, so I convinced him to not only go vegan but completely give up all fats: no avocado, no nuts, no seeds, no olive oil. I got this from Caldwell Esselstyne’s books. A few years later after being on a very strict, whole food, plant based diet, he needed open heart surgery. Still he stuck with it. Now 13 years in he has been diagnosed with Parkinson’s. I strongly suspect the lack of fat in his diet has played a contributing factor. His dementia worsens daily. I gave up on being a vegan after 10 years. Like you, I thought I was saving the world. Now I feel like I drank the cool aid. My husband does eat salmon and tuna now and fats, but no butter. He will eat egg if it is cooked in stir fry but won’t eat an egg cooked for breakfast. However, now he also eats all the fake meats which I am convinced are no good for you at all.
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snowflake2061
I am not vegan, but i dont eat red meat. I dont want to kill a big animal so i can eat it. I eat a little bit bird and fish, for my health, but i dont like the thought that they had to give up their life for me. I dont like the meat industry. how can we call killing animals as an industry Not everybody is in your situation so they can grow their own food, but i am shore that many people dream of it. I support that people dont want to kill animals. And i think many are vegans because at least they are doing something in a world when its easy to feel powerless. And its up to others what they eat or not. When you live the way you do i think it is very natural that you get food from the nature around you. But in the city i would not go to a store and by it. You know what you eat comes from, you know how it lost its life, but in the city you dont know.
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I am not vegan, but i dont eat red meat. I dont want to kill a big animal so i can eat it. I eat a little bit bird and fish, for my health, but i dont like the thought that they had to give up their life for me. I dont like the meat industry. how can we call killing animals as an industry Not everybody is in your situation so they can grow their own food, but i am shore that many people dream of it. I support that people dont want to kill animals. And i think many are vegans because at least they are doing something in a world when its easy to feel powerless. And its up to others what they eat or not. When you live the way you do i think it is very natural that you get food from the nature around you. But in the city i would not go to a store and by it. You know what you eat comes from, you know how it lost its life, but in the city you dont know.
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Darlamagster
Can’t relate at all. I’ve been vegan over 40 yrs. I grew 4 kids had 4 home births and I run a petsitting service upon where I walk anywhere from 5-15 miles per day 7 days a week. I’m 65. Not my experience at all nor any of my earth mama friends either. I love transporting abused animals to sanctuaries and giving them a new life. Plus my 68 yr old husband is stronger than ever and beat his cancer since he became plant based. I honestly couldn’t disagree more. What you are saying is not scientific evidence either. I am so grateful I’m vegan and I’m so connected to animals with such purpose. . I’d love to see you debate Ed Winters ( earthling ed, Dr Neal Bernard, or The legendary Gene Baur from farm sanctuary. It’s just your opinion your viewpoint. You make vegan lifestyle sound so negative so dangerous so ridiculous. Ugh
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Can’t relate at all. I’ve been vegan over 40 yrs. I grew 4 kids had 4 home births and I run a petsitting service upon where I walk anywhere from 5-15 miles per day 7 days a week. I’m 65. Not my experience at all nor any of my earth mama friends either. I love transporting abused animals to sanctuaries and giving them a new life. Plus my 68 yr old husband is stronger than ever and beat his cancer since he became plant based. I honestly couldn’t disagree more. What you are saying is not scientific evidence either. I am so grateful I’m vegan and I’m so connected to animals with such purpose. . I’d love to see you debate Ed Winters ( earthling ed, Dr Neal Bernard, or The legendary Gene Baur from farm sanctuary. It’s just your opinion your viewpoint. You make vegan lifestyle sound so negative so dangerous so ridiculous. Ugh
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mary4fun02
I appreciate this so much. My brother, who used to be my best friend, recently cut me out of his life because I told him I didn’t like how he was treating my family because they weren’t vegan.
He doesn’t go to any events with animal products. Because of this, he hasn’t seen my 85 year old grandma for years. She lives 15 minutes away.
He tells my parents that they don’t love him if they eat a steak.
He openly posts on social media about how everyone that eats meat is worse than a nazi.
He’s a bipolar alcoholic that can’t hold down a job because he’s always either drunk or hungover, but he won’t go to an in patient or out patient center because they don’t offer a vegan menu. Not just for him, but at all.
Horrible.
I just want my brother back.
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I appreciate this so much. My brother, who used to be my best friend, recently cut me out of his life because I told him I didn’t like how he was treating my family because they weren’t vegan.
He doesn’t go to any events with animal products. Because of this, he hasn’t seen my 85 year old grandma for years. She lives 15 minutes away.
He tells my parents that they don’t love him if they eat a steak.
He openly posts on social media about how everyone that eats meat is worse than a nazi.
He’s a bipolar alcoholic that can’t hold down a job because he’s always either drunk or hungover, but he won’t go to an in patient or out patient center because they don’t offer a vegan menu. Not just for him, but at all.
Horrible.
I just want my brother back.
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dobakildiko7968
I have been a vegetarian for 25 years, which means I eat eggs and dairy products. A few months ago I started not eating on Mondays. When people ask me how long I'll do these things, I usually say until I change my mind or until I think of something better. I think our personal evolution comes through experience and understanding. Anytime you can say you have tried something, your intentions were noble, but I have gained so much experience that I am now changing something, choosing a different path. After all, discovering and understanding ourselves and our world is the hardest path we walk. Life itself. Especially if we intend to surpass ourselves.
Jake, congratulations. Greetings from Hungary
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I have been a vegetarian for 25 years, which means I eat eggs and dairy products. A few months ago I started not eating on Mondays. When people ask me how long I'll do these things, I usually say until I change my mind or until I think of something better. I think our personal evolution comes through experience and understanding. Anytime you can say you have tried something, your intentions were noble, but I have gained so much experience that I am now changing something, choosing a different path. After all, discovering and understanding ourselves and our world is the hardest path we walk. Life itself. Especially if we intend to surpass ourselves.
Jake, congratulations. Greetings from Hungary
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adeleburford
I think there's more nuance to the subject than you have covered in this talk. There are indeed a lot of vegans who don't grow their own food, but most meat eaters don't raise their own food. Both industries have their own issues. I think if you are a vegan who eats whole foods with limited ultra processed products, it's very healthy.
I also think if you eat minimally processed animal products, alongside plants, its healthy.
Perhaps we should stop focusing on what diet a person chooses, and move our focus towards the sourcing and quality of the ingredients, because ultimately the issue at large is all the fillers, additives, pesticides and sugar in most food.
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I think there's more nuance to the subject than you have covered in this talk. There are indeed a lot of vegans who don't grow their own food, but most meat eaters don't raise their own food. Both industries have their own issues. I think if you are a vegan who eats whole foods with limited ultra processed products, it's very healthy.
I also think if you eat minimally processed animal products, alongside plants, its healthy.
Perhaps we should stop focusing on what diet a person chooses, and move our focus towards the sourcing and quality of the ingredients, because ultimately the issue at large is all the fillers, additives, pesticides and sugar in most food.
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nightringer9815
Here's my honest comment. I have never been a vegan nor a vegetarian. I'm a meat eater. I live in Asia.
You mentioned you went to China and met vegan monks, but you didn't even go to traditional Chinese medicine practitioners. If you did, you'll find out sooner that what you eat and what you do and what you contribute needs balance. Balance of everything that comes NATURALLY from earth. No chemicals you can't read, no dangerous commercial seed oil, no unnecessary supplements, no unnatural food. I've not eaten any sugar in almost 10 years, the last 1 kg of sugar lasted 5 years to be used for cooking.
Better late than never. Welcome back to nature
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Here's my honest comment. I have never been a vegan nor a vegetarian. I'm a meat eater. I live in Asia.
You mentioned you went to China and met vegan monks, but you didn't even go to traditional Chinese medicine practitioners. If you did, you'll find out sooner that what you eat and what you do and what you contribute needs balance. Balance of everything that comes NATURALLY from earth. No chemicals you can't read, no dangerous commercial seed oil, no unnecessary supplements, no unnatural food. I've not eaten any sugar in almost 10 years, the last 1 kg of sugar lasted 5 years to be used for cooking.
Better late than never. Welcome back to nature
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krystle1018
I’ve never been vegan. I believe in the circle of life, one animal needs another animal to survive. With that said I don’t believe we should waste and try to use every part on that animal that was sacrificed to feed another animal. If people weren’t so wasteful that alone would help our environment flourish. I think what’s beneficial to the environment is cutting down our plastic and paper goods waste. Trying to find a job closer to home instead of commuting so far into work, which yes, I’m guilty of have doing for many years. I live near NYC, and when I go into the city the air pollution is so bad, I find it hard to breathe.
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I’ve never been vegan. I believe in the circle of life, one animal needs another animal to survive. With that said I don’t believe we should waste and try to use every part on that animal that was sacrificed to feed another animal. If people weren’t so wasteful that alone would help our environment flourish. I think what’s beneficial to the environment is cutting down our plastic and paper goods waste. Trying to find a job closer to home instead of commuting so far into work, which yes, I’m guilty of have doing for many years. I live near NYC, and when I go into the city the air pollution is so bad, I find it hard to breathe.
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roblow5522
You reminded me of the problem I have with the Lion King movie. It's the fantasy of life. Animals living together in harmony and the only animals that want to eat other animals are mean and evil, as portrayed. All animals eat and the ones that coexist probably figured out that they are not on the menu. What do the children that watch this movie think all them animals eat They wouldn't know from this movie because nobody eats. Lol that's my little rant for the day.
My Sister recently stopped being vegan. When I asked her why, she said because of brain fog. I don't know if that was something she experienced or something she read.
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You reminded me of the problem I have with the Lion King movie. It's the fantasy of life. Animals living together in harmony and the only animals that want to eat other animals are mean and evil, as portrayed. All animals eat and the ones that coexist probably figured out that they are not on the menu. What do the children that watch this movie think all them animals eat They wouldn't know from this movie because nobody eats. Lol that's my little rant for the day.
My Sister recently stopped being vegan. When I asked her why, she said because of brain fog. I don't know if that was something she experienced or something she read.
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Jan-nu6zc
That’s not accurate. You can buy real tofu without seven additivesjust as you can find plant-based milks made with only a few ingredientsat least here in the EU. And no, not everyone has the option to purchase land and grow their own food. To feed the world’s meat-eating population, we’d need massive tracts of farmland to cultivate wheat and soy just for animal feedmost livestock aren’t grazing on natural pasture. Scientifically, the most effective approach is to reduce our consumption of these products. Living completely off-grid is a different mattergreat if it works for you, but not a practical solution for most people.
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That’s not accurate. You can buy real tofu without seven additivesjust as you can find plant-based milks made with only a few ingredientsat least here in the EU. And no, not everyone has the option to purchase land and grow their own food. To feed the world’s meat-eating population, we’d need massive tracts of farmland to cultivate wheat and soy just for animal feedmost livestock aren’t grazing on natural pasture. Scientifically, the most effective approach is to reduce our consumption of these products. Living completely off-grid is a different mattergreat if it works for you, but not a practical solution for most people.
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StefaniStevensBand
I agree. On my little 6k sq. ’ property, two compost/worm bins where every peel is consumed by worms, microbes and becomes the valuable resource for my gardens! The avocado tree produces 200 plus avos and I found a surprising thingthe roots go into my compost. it’s exciting to see what’s growing every morning. It’s open communication to each plant, leaf and thanking them is important. Not a vegan. Was vegetarian for 8 years but it’s very hard to do it right.
You’re doing life with excellence as usual! Feeling the energy the fish is and gives is very important! I hope many will consider your lessons!
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I agree. On my little 6k sq. ’ property, two compost/worm bins where every peel is consumed by worms, microbes and becomes the valuable resource for my gardens! The avocado tree produces 200 plus avos and I found a surprising thingthe roots go into my compost. it’s exciting to see what’s growing every morning. It’s open communication to each plant, leaf and thanking them is important. Not a vegan. Was vegetarian for 8 years but it’s very hard to do it right.
You’re doing life with excellence as usual! Feeling the energy the fish is and gives is very important! I hope many will consider your lessons!
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marykubasak
I’ve said for most of my life that I’m only willing to buy meat to eat because if I needed to I am also willing to go out and hunt it, if I felt that I couldn’t kill an animal, I wouldn’t be able to ask someone to do it for me. I’m slowly leaning towards carnivore for my diet, because experimenting with a variety of diets, including only a short period of time as vegan, I experience so little pain and inflammation from a meat based diet in comparison to a plant based one, that it only makes sense to feed my body what it craves.
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I’ve said for most of my life that I’m only willing to buy meat to eat because if I needed to I am also willing to go out and hunt it, if I felt that I couldn’t kill an animal, I wouldn’t be able to ask someone to do it for me. I’m slowly leaning towards carnivore for my diet, because experimenting with a variety of diets, including only a short period of time as vegan, I experience so little pain and inflammation from a meat based diet in comparison to a plant based one, that it only makes sense to feed my body what it craves.
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donnavickery9623
You have no idea what you are talking about. Plants do not defalcate or urineate. That is what makes commercial farming so damaging to the environment. When you have thousands of animals pooping and peeing - that is what is polluting our fresh water supply and our oceans. These animals are resided in horrific conditions. These are not animals that are out in the sunshine eating grass in beautiful green pastures. Slaughter houses also traumatize animals and treat them horribly.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Plants do not defalcate or urineate. That is what makes commercial farming so damaging to the environment. When you have thousands of animals pooping and peeing - that is what is polluting our fresh water supply and our oceans. These animals are resided in horrific conditions. These are not animals that are out in the sunshine eating grass in beautiful green pastures. Slaughter houses also traumatize animals and treat them horribly.
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shalometyson9862
I'm a meatovegetarian. If I like it I eat it. All things must be eaten in moderation. Too much of anything is good for nothing. I'm all about the circle of life. That's how it was intended. Stop turning your food into pets. Stop naming your food only to turn around and process it for food. That speaks volumes about who you are and what you are capable of.
Let's see. hey I had Becky for lunch. yummy. eat safely, healthy. Just don't eat Becky the frog or the pig or cow. etc.
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I'm a meatovegetarian. If I like it I eat it. All things must be eaten in moderation. Too much of anything is good for nothing. I'm all about the circle of life. That's how it was intended. Stop turning your food into pets. Stop naming your food only to turn around and process it for food. That speaks volumes about who you are and what you are capable of.
Let's see. hey I had Becky for lunch. yummy. eat safely, healthy. Just don't eat Becky the frog or the pig or cow. etc.
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donnavickery9623
You have no idea what you are talking about. Plants do not defalcate or urineate. That is what makes commercial farming so damaging to the environment. When you have thousands of animals pooping and peeing - that is what is polluting our fresh water supply and our oceans. These animals are resided in horrific conditions. These are not animals that are out in the sunshine eating grass in beautiful green pastures. Slaughter houses also traumatize animals and treat them horribly.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Plants do not defalcate or urineate. That is what makes commercial farming so damaging to the environment. When you have thousands of animals pooping and peeing - that is what is polluting our fresh water supply and our oceans. These animals are resided in horrific conditions. These are not animals that are out in the sunshine eating grass in beautiful green pastures. Slaughter houses also traumatize animals and treat them horribly.
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kathyd8846
Look Jake. You had a big bite of halibut, and decided you wanted to eat meat again. That’s your choice and no one should have an opinion about how you eat. But, don’t go into shaming vegetarians and vegans with religious references, or waste of water or land. I can’t eat animals because they have to die for me. I can’t do that. I just can’t. So I won’t condemn you for your lifestyle if you don’t condemn me for mine. I haven’t eaten meat for over 30 years.
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Look Jake. You had a big bite of halibut, and decided you wanted to eat meat again. That’s your choice and no one should have an opinion about how you eat. But, don’t go into shaming vegetarians and vegans with religious references, or waste of water or land. I can’t eat animals because they have to die for me. I can’t do that. I just can’t. So I won’t condemn you for your lifestyle if you don’t condemn me for mine. I haven’t eaten meat for over 30 years.
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jake_nicolle
Thanks for sharing this. I ran into the same cultish attitude among vegans when I was practicing veganism. I didn't do it for the virtue-signalling reasons others were, but because of a belief I would be healthier. Then, I found out I needed to supplement B12 going vegan. Still, getting adequate calories was tough, so I tended to binge on vegan sweets. My skin was dry, my hair was brittle. I thought, I'm eating all this produce, why am I so sick
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Thanks for sharing this. I ran into the same cultish attitude among vegans when I was practicing veganism. I didn't do it for the virtue-signalling reasons others were, but because of a belief I would be healthier. Then, I found out I needed to supplement B12 going vegan. Still, getting adequate calories was tough, so I tended to binge on vegan sweets. My skin was dry, my hair was brittle. I thought, I'm eating all this produce, why am I so sick
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