It Needs A New Harness! -The Other Shop
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Date: 2025-03-14
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jimhaines8370
A guy I used to work started out in the mechanic world after training in the US Army at a motor pool in Panama for his two years. He said back in that day no mater what if you told the parts guy it needed a part once order it must be installed period no returns. Back then it was Korean war time and all parts came on a boat he said it would take months. Guy's would have electrical problems on the multi light systems truck IE war time night lights and regular running and special type lights etc. on one truck so rather than really find problem if they were to be shipped out soon they would just say it needed a wiring harness knowing they would be gone when it showed up kind of like above case study. He said they would also not take to time to scrape off all the green olive drab paint to be sure the cloth covered wire marking colors could be seen to kit correct circuits and he had to fix those messed wired up trucks as well after new a harness put in wrong. I guess what I am saying is saying something needs a wiring harness when people don't know whats wrong is not new for sure.
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A guy I used to work started out in the mechanic world after training in the US Army at a motor pool in Panama for his two years. He said back in that day no mater what if you told the parts guy it needed a part once order it must be installed period no returns. Back then it was Korean war time and all parts came on a boat he said it would take months. Guy's would have electrical problems on the multi light systems truck IE war time night lights and regular running and special type lights etc. on one truck so rather than really find problem if they were to be shipped out soon they would just say it needed a wiring harness knowing they would be gone when it showed up kind of like above case study. He said they would also not take to time to scrape off all the green olive drab paint to be sure the cloth covered wire marking colors could be seen to kit correct circuits and he had to fix those messed wired up trucks as well after new a harness put in wrong. I guess what I am saying is saying something needs a wiring harness when people don't know whats wrong is not new for sure.
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autos
SO there's one thing about those off Name Brand VOM/DMMs that will really burn your buns- two that I had gave silly readings on AC when the 9V battery was nearly shot. Funny the battery indicator should flash somewhere on these cheapo's
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Yeah Fluke is expensive. even cheap crap is expensive now
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Don't have a Fluke
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Eric knows in the salt belt you'll have all the problems all cars have in this country plus all the extra problems from rust and salt- and a working man has to make that truck run forever
so many will have mucho kms on the drive train, and possibly a vehicle that is known to have many problems from the get-go it's enough to make a man get grey hair and cuss
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SO there's one thing about those off Name Brand VOM/DMMs that will really burn your buns- two that I had gave silly readings on AC when the 9V battery was nearly shot. Funny the battery indicator should flash somewhere on these cheapo's
No
Yeah Fluke is expensive. even cheap crap is expensive now
not a sponsor
Don't have a Fluke
Got one DMM at Lowes, one at Homies
Gift Certificates,
Eric knows in the salt belt you'll have all the problems all cars have in this country plus all the extra problems from rust and salt- and a working man has to make that truck run forever
so many will have mucho kms on the drive train, and possibly a vehicle that is known to have many problems from the get-go it's enough to make a man get grey hair and cuss
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artt3165
My job often involved cars that had been everywhere else in town, including a dealer or three, and often came with several different ideas of what was supposed to be wrong.
The first two rules:
1. Just because it has new parts doesn't mean the parts are good or the correct part for the application.
2. Whoever looked at it couldn't fix it so whatever they found doesn't matter because it didn't fix the customer's complaint.
Based on these rules DO YOUR OWN testing. The sooner you learn these rules the easier you're life will be as diagnostic/drivability specialist.
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My job often involved cars that had been everywhere else in town, including a dealer or three, and often came with several different ideas of what was supposed to be wrong.
The first two rules:
1. Just because it has new parts doesn't mean the parts are good or the correct part for the application.
2. Whoever looked at it couldn't fix it so whatever they found doesn't matter because it didn't fix the customer's complaint.
Based on these rules DO YOUR OWN testing. The sooner you learn these rules the easier you're life will be as diagnostic/drivability specialist.
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calholli
That's how my truck is. and I'm poor. Manual everything. Manual trans. manual windows, seats, locks, mirrors. Manual transfer case. manual locking hubs. rubber floor, extended cab (double bench)- with 9ft flat bed, gooseneck ball in the top and the standard swappable square trailer hitch. 2002 7. 3L Diesel F350, ZF 6spd. Fantastic truck. Doesn't even have tilt or cruise control -- and is basically a Tractor. Probably the best truck Ford ever made-- and now everything has emissions crap on it. So yeah, I'll be driving this thing into my grave.
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That's how my truck is. and I'm poor. Manual everything. Manual trans. manual windows, seats, locks, mirrors. Manual transfer case. manual locking hubs. rubber floor, extended cab (double bench)- with 9ft flat bed, gooseneck ball in the top and the standard swappable square trailer hitch. 2002 7. 3L Diesel F350, ZF 6spd. Fantastic truck. Doesn't even have tilt or cruise control -- and is basically a Tractor. Probably the best truck Ford ever made-- and now everything has emissions crap on it. So yeah, I'll be driving this thing into my grave.
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SouthMainAuto
The customer just wanted it diagnosed, and all repairs were denied. Hope you enjoy the process and understand the approach in either case. We do more diagnosing than we do actual repairing in our shop because we are usually the last place to look at a vehicle after it has been bounced around shop to shop. At this point the other shops have wallet flushed all of their money and there's nothing left to get it fixed for real. It's how the cookie crumbles and I see it here day in and day out unfortunately.
-Eric O.
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The customer just wanted it diagnosed, and all repairs were denied. Hope you enjoy the process and understand the approach in either case. We do more diagnosing than we do actual repairing in our shop because we are usually the last place to look at a vehicle after it has been bounced around shop to shop. At this point the other shops have wallet flushed all of their money and there's nothing left to get it fixed for real. It's how the cookie crumbles and I see it here day in and day out unfortunately.
-Eric O.
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dragonslair59
Love Virginia but worked at a shop and used car lot and if it was in coal mine areas the rust out bad just like up in the in the rust belt. A buddy worked at Dodge and a 2 yr old mine company truck came in and he showed me after they washed the inches of mine dirt and caked on mud every suspension part was ready to fall off and the frame was just about to break. I have seen a lot of employees used cars with no floors and Sunday frames and minimum body rust, them coal mines and roads are brutal
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Love Virginia but worked at a shop and used car lot and if it was in coal mine areas the rust out bad just like up in the in the rust belt. A buddy worked at Dodge and a 2 yr old mine company truck came in and he showed me after they washed the inches of mine dirt and caked on mud every suspension part was ready to fall off and the frame was just about to break. I have seen a lot of employees used cars with no floors and Sunday frames and minimum body rust, them coal mines and roads are brutal
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patricklanigan
I work as a fleet mechanic in the Canadian salt belt, and see lots of electrical problems too. I also get ones that other people have taken a shot at diagnosing and given up on. They always want you to follow them down the same rabbit hole. I let them tell me what their theory is, what they did and so on. Then when they are gone I go right back to square one and start my diagnosis my way. I tip my cap to you Eric O, you are one of the best I have seen in the biz.
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I work as a fleet mechanic in the Canadian salt belt, and see lots of electrical problems too. I also get ones that other people have taken a shot at diagnosing and given up on. They always want you to follow them down the same rabbit hole. I let them tell me what their theory is, what they did and so on. Then when they are gone I go right back to square one and start my diagnosis my way. I tip my cap to you Eric O, you are one of the best I have seen in the biz.
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todaysproject6788
Seems to be a growing aversion to actual diagnostics these days, maybe due to how some shops are managed If my experience with this is of any substance it seems that the expectation is the diag tool should produce a detailed explanation of what is broken and a step by step walk through of how to fix it. If it doesn't then it needs a harness or its some unsolved mystery that will only be corrected through the magic of the parts cannon.
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Seems to be a growing aversion to actual diagnostics these days, maybe due to how some shops are managed If my experience with this is of any substance it seems that the expectation is the diag tool should produce a detailed explanation of what is broken and a step by step walk through of how to fix it. If it doesn't then it needs a harness or its some unsolved mystery that will only be corrected through the magic of the parts cannon.
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Big_Loo
Thay very well could be a Virginia truck, probably a municipal vehicle. We have rust here, but it's different. Out west, in the mountains, it snows more, and the rust looks like yours, just less of it. Where I live, we are surrounded on 3 sides by salt water. There is salt in the air all year long. The rust will be somewhat lighter, but all over (more body, less chassis) and electrical/electronic modules.
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Thay very well could be a Virginia truck, probably a municipal vehicle. We have rust here, but it's different. Out west, in the mountains, it snows more, and the rust looks like yours, just less of it. Where I live, we are surrounded on 3 sides by salt water. There is salt in the air all year long. The rust will be somewhat lighter, but all over (more body, less chassis) and electrical/electronic modules.
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autorepair
I learned a lesson don't ever go long distance chasing a particular vehicle you see online. There are tons of Southern vehicles, take a trip to the South and shop around. VA is not far enough. Eastern NC is as far north as you should go. And no mountain towns, it snows a lot and their cars are as bad as the North. If palms can survive you are in the right area.
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I learned a lesson don't ever go long distance chasing a particular vehicle you see online. There are tons of Southern vehicles, take a trip to the South and shop around. VA is not far enough. Eastern NC is as far north as you should go. And no mountain towns, it snows a lot and their cars are as bad as the North. If palms can survive you are in the right area.
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deniscarr469
I could watch this guy doing diagnosis all day but like he says '' If I can do it you can do it ''.
He's right of course but you need all the correct tools, wiring diagrams and service data etc. Eric shines because he keeps cool, and follows the data without getting distracted. Plus he had years of experience. But most of all he's a genius!
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I could watch this guy doing diagnosis all day but like he says '' If I can do it you can do it ''.
He's right of course but you need all the correct tools, wiring diagrams and service data etc. Eric shines because he keeps cool, and follows the data without getting distracted. Plus he had years of experience. But most of all he's a genius!
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thomasleblanc4228
The more sensors there are, the more the customer won't understand the diagnosis, and the door is then wide open to tell the customer it needs all kinds of stuff. Mam your windshield fluid sensor is bad. I always knew I was out of fluid when it didn't spray before, if I was lucky enough to afford a newer car with washer fluid.
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The more sensors there are, the more the customer won't understand the diagnosis, and the door is then wide open to tell the customer it needs all kinds of stuff. Mam your windshield fluid sensor is bad. I always knew I was out of fluid when it didn't spray before, if I was lucky enough to afford a newer car with washer fluid.
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quantumleap359
Your remark about the quality ) of that multimeter rang so true with me! Whenever I'm under the car or under the hood, my trusty Fluke meter is hanging on the pin on my bench, my cheap (free) Harbor Junk multimeter is in my hand! It's good enough to trust, but no tears shed if it falls and shatters! Great video Dr. O.
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Your remark about the quality ) of that multimeter rang so true with me! Whenever I'm under the car or under the hood, my trusty Fluke meter is hanging on the pin on my bench, my cheap (free) Harbor Junk multimeter is in my hand! It's good enough to trust, but no tears shed if it falls and shatters! Great video Dr. O.
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autorepair
Thank you for the greatest words of encouragement, but honestly all you have seen me do is give you a thumbs or two, but i have seen with my own eyes how you have helped me with servicing my 2002 LS 6. 0 silverado. So, one more question. How can we stop LS from leaking like a seav. Or does it work like a rust inhibitor.
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Thank you for the greatest words of encouragement, but honestly all you have seen me do is give you a thumbs or two, but i have seen with my own eyes how you have helped me with servicing my 2002 LS 6. 0 silverado. So, one more question. How can we stop LS from leaking like a seav. Or does it work like a rust inhibitor.
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Phuckseeds
I've done a few harnesses at a Hyundai dealer. Warranty sometimes doesn't allow wire repair (airbag circuits, coax cables) ive also seen rats or squirrels eat through whole sections of harness. I've seen junction blocks, with the whole engine control harness integrated, cooked.
Sometimes, it does just need a harness.
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I've done a few harnesses at a Hyundai dealer. Warranty sometimes doesn't allow wire repair (airbag circuits, coax cables) ive also seen rats or squirrels eat through whole sections of harness. I've seen junction blocks, with the whole engine control harness integrated, cooked.
Sometimes, it does just need a harness.
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johnibbertson2960
love to watch your vids eric but i do like to see them fixed for proof of your deductions. not that youre wrong of course, the bloke still has to get his car fixed, so this will be his third payment, blimey why does he not let you get a known good module from scrappy and let you finnish job
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love to watch your vids eric but i do like to see them fixed for proof of your deductions. not that youre wrong of course, the bloke still has to get his car fixed, so this will be his third payment, blimey why does he not let you get a known good module from scrappy and let you finnish job
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gtpforever
I went to Boston and picked up a Florida 2004 Chevy Avalanche like 8 years ago. She was rust free.
But then again I also went to New York and picked up a 1998 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP like 14 years ago and it was my first car purchase from that area and the underside of it was almost PAINT free
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I went to Boston and picked up a Florida 2004 Chevy Avalanche like 8 years ago. She was rust free.
But then again I also went to New York and picked up a 1998 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP like 14 years ago and it was my first car purchase from that area and the underside of it was almost PAINT free
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Ken-wu6hr
I never use anyone’s diagnosis. Never don’t trust nobody. Learned that lesson years ago. Virginia still has snow. northern DC area. & coastal area. Sometimes a vehicle on the coast is as bad or worse than north. Wisconsin Michigan probably as bad as Ny. Ie why I’ve been in Texas so long
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I never use anyone’s diagnosis. Never don’t trust nobody. Learned that lesson years ago. Virginia still has snow. northern DC area. & coastal area. Sometimes a vehicle on the coast is as bad or worse than north. Wisconsin Michigan probably as bad as Ny. Ie why I’ve been in Texas so long
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oliver_klozoff
They probably seen the wires left over from whatever they cut out from it being a service vehicle. You mentioned the extra switches and everything, it probably had some sort equipment that was taken out. All the other shop seen was extra wires and decided they didn't want no part of it.
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They probably seen the wires left over from whatever they cut out from it being a service vehicle. You mentioned the extra switches and everything, it probably had some sort equipment that was taken out. All the other shop seen was extra wires and decided they didn't want no part of it.
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markallen. 891
I just like straight up fix it or junk it guys. Especially when I can learn from them. Electronics are a pain in the arse. I long for the good ole days. Don't trust modern vehicles. They have a kill switch in the CPU since 96 or so. Always have an alternative means of transportation.
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I just like straight up fix it or junk it guys. Especially when I can learn from them. Electronics are a pain in the arse. I long for the good ole days. Don't trust modern vehicles. They have a kill switch in the CPU since 96 or so. Always have an alternative means of transportation.
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