7800X3D Reviews, Core Count Wars, Optane Afterlife & More The Full Nerd ep. 252
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Date: 2023-04-12
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Ben
I don't know why the tech press keeps saying the X3D CPUS are gaming only ... People seem to forget that most mid tier 8 cores now are on par with first gen thread ripper. The only people who NEED more than 8 cores 16 threads for anything at this time are likely using their PC's for work / to produce an income, and can't afford any compromise. If you're a hobbyist, who uses CAD or video editing software, a mid tier 8 core is still plenty powerful enough, and with the extra money you could probably double your RAM capacity or buy a crazy fast 2TB NVMe scratch drive.... If you only use your PC for gaming (like 90% of the time or more), get a high clocking 6 core CPU instead, or buy a console... If you literally just want the best gaming hardware first and foremost, yes a 5800X3D makes sense, but obviously it'll be excellent for everything you throw at it.
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I don't know why the tech press keeps saying the X3D CPUS are gaming only ... People seem to forget that most mid tier 8 cores now are on par with first gen thread ripper. The only people who NEED more than 8 cores 16 threads for anything at this time are likely using their PC's for work / to produce an income, and can't afford any compromise. If you're a hobbyist, who uses CAD or video editing software, a mid tier 8 core is still plenty powerful enough, and with the extra money you could probably double your RAM capacity or buy a crazy fast 2TB NVMe scratch drive.... If you only use your PC for gaming (like 90% of the time or more), get a high clocking 6 core CPU instead, or buy a console... If you literally just want the best gaming hardware first and foremost, yes a 5800X3D makes sense, but obviously it'll be excellent for everything you throw at it.
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itech
Gordon - I really enjoyed how in the second segment you started to conceptualize the average gamer but you'd still tilt back to multithreaded/application perf. Please understand I'd guess 90% of gamers or DIYers, will never run cinebench, or Adobe, or stream their play, or render anything. These things will never even occur to them to do. The 7800x3d just beats the 13700k and up in gaming perf, and it destroys them when you start considering platform cost, power usage, etc. You don't need the caveat of but the application performance .... it's a non factor, unless you are asking about mixed usage, which again, is almost Noone. SO GLAD - to see you healthy and back, I'll try to make the next one live fir a superchat. :)
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Gordon - I really enjoyed how in the second segment you started to conceptualize the average gamer but you'd still tilt back to multithreaded/application perf. Please understand I'd guess 90% of gamers or DIYers, will never run cinebench, or Adobe, or stream their play, or render anything. These things will never even occur to them to do. The 7800x3d just beats the 13700k and up in gaming perf, and it destroys them when you start considering platform cost, power usage, etc. You don't need the caveat of but the application performance .... it's a non factor, unless you are asking about mixed usage, which again, is almost Noone. SO GLAD - to see you healthy and back, I'll try to make the next one live fir a superchat. :)
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Bert
1. I remember the keys of the Teletype ASR 33, I used on a 1970 timesharing system. You had to hammer it to get the key down :) Stumping Wendell :)
2. I'm still happy with the 4 cores of my Ryzen 3 2200G, its 60 B450; 16GB and its storage; 512GB nvme-SSD (3400/2300MB/s) and 2TB HDD supported by a 128GB sata-SSD cache. I only could use a little bit more performance once per week, when I update 36 Virtualbox VMs on my Ubuntu/OpenZFS Host OS. A faster CPU (Ryzen 5 5600G) improves the 100% loads; a second HDD in Raid 0 speeds up disk IO and 32GB requires less RAM mental arithmetic.
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1. I remember the keys of the Teletype ASR 33, I used on a 1970 timesharing system. You had to hammer it to get the key down :) Stumping Wendell :)
2. I'm still happy with the 4 cores of my Ryzen 3 2200G, its 60 B450; 16GB and its storage; 512GB nvme-SSD (3400/2300MB/s) and 2TB HDD supported by a 128GB sata-SSD cache. I only could use a little bit more performance once per week, when I update 36 Virtualbox VMs on my Ubuntu/OpenZFS Host OS. A faster CPU (Ryzen 5 5600G) improves the 100% loads; a second HDD in Raid 0 speeds up disk IO and 32GB requires less RAM mental arithmetic.
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Shane
Hi Wendell, thanks for addressing my question!
Re memory termination, I was thinking of the 2DPC configuration, where the chip at the end of the chain is programmed to terminate the bus. There is indeed a stub created when a DIMM socket in the middle is unpopulated. Termination there would prevent that stub from resonating, but it also soaks up power, so I think it would be equivalent to a populated 2DPC, which already limits the bus frequency.
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Hi Wendell, thanks for addressing my question!
Re memory termination, I was thinking of the 2DPC configuration, where the chip at the end of the chain is programmed to terminate the bus. There is indeed a stub created when a DIMM socket in the middle is unpopulated. Termination there would prevent that stub from resonating, but it also soaks up power, so I think it would be equivalent to a populated 2DPC, which already limits the bus frequency.
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ZeroB4NG
1:12:15 ...is Wendell seriously suggesting i pay extra money for extra cores so Denuvo of all things can run their Spyware better on my System?
Would you like to have some Coffee and Donuts while you illegally search my House without consent Mr. Officer? Oh by all means, make yourself comfortable.
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1:12:15 ...is Wendell seriously suggesting i pay extra money for extra cores so Denuvo of all things can run their Spyware better on my System?
Would you like to have some Coffee and Donuts while you illegally search my House without consent Mr. Officer? Oh by all means, make yourself comfortable.
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flee
AMD needs to launch processors with the PRO label for those productivity users. For gamers, the processors targetted at them should be labelled GAMER. That way, the processors will be fit for purposes. It is just a natural progression since manufacturers already have processors for servers and HEDTs.
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AMD needs to launch processors with the PRO label for those productivity users. For gamers, the processors targetted at them should be labelled GAMER. That way, the processors will be fit for purposes. It is just a natural progression since manufacturers already have processors for servers and HEDTs.
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Frank
As a gamer I wish someone would bench the 7800x3d against the 5800 X 3D at 4K I'll say it again at 4K with a 4090 that would put our minds to ease finally. Cuz most of us it's an easy fix we're already on am4 we have the memory we have the motherboard some of us even have the power supply.
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As a gamer I wish someone would bench the 7800x3d against the 5800 X 3D at 4K I'll say it again at 4K with a 4090 that would put our minds to ease finally. Cuz most of us it's an easy fix we're already on am4 we have the memory we have the motherboard some of us even have the power supply.
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aBavarian
2:00:00 Yo, the ASUS ProArt X570-CREATOR WIFI and the ASUS ProArt X670E-CREATOR WIFI have properly working Thunderbolt 4 with PCIe Tunneling. OK, ASUS reaches this by slapping an Intel Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 controller on these motherboards - but it works.
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2:00:00 Yo, the ASUS ProArt X570-CREATOR WIFI and the ASUS ProArt X670E-CREATOR WIFI have properly working Thunderbolt 4 with PCIe Tunneling. OK, ASUS reaches this by slapping an Intel Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 controller on these motherboards - but it works.
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aBavarian
I still wish for a new software RAID solution to be able to boot Windows from that is high-quality code and optionally uses GPU acceleration. Don t like the OS dying if a drive fails and the AMD motherboard NVMe RAID drivers are eating so much performance.
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I still wish for a new software RAID solution to be able to boot Windows from that is high-quality code and optionally uses GPU acceleration. Don t like the OS dying if a drive fails and the AMD motherboard NVMe RAID drivers are eating so much performance.
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Kevin
People who disable windows features and complain about windows are the same people who remove the blade guard from their miter saw and then cry when they lose a finger or two. Also, this thunderbolt talk is nauseating, there's like what 3 people who use eGPUs?
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People who disable windows features and complain about windows are the same people who remove the blade guard from their miter saw and then cry when they lose a finger or two. Also, this thunderbolt talk is nauseating, there's like what 3 people who use eGPUs?
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MarcasswellbMD
I would rather get a 7700X and spend the rest on GPU.. It can push up too an 3080 6800XT and up to XTX or 4080 Level without messing with performance and streaming as well.. Then go for Zen 5 and Navi 4..
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I would rather get a 7700X and spend the rest on GPU.. It can push up too an 3080 6800XT and up to XTX or 4080 Level without messing with performance and streaming as well.. Then go for Zen 5 and Navi 4..
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Jelipe
For anyone wanting to upgrade from a 3950x to a 5800x3d for gaming. DO IT!!! You can sell your 3950x for most of the price of the 5800x3d and the real benefit of the chip is a faster computer for every day work
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For anyone wanting to upgrade from a 3950x to a 5800x3d for gaming. DO IT!!! You can sell your 3950x for most of the price of the 5800x3d and the real benefit of the chip is a faster computer for every day work
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Noah
Did AMD trick anyone into buying the 7950x3d? Not decieve, but for the Trophy gamers who just wanna have the most expensive rig, and latest buzzword component, it ensures they will buy the part that costs more
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Did AMD trick anyone into buying the 7950x3d? Not decieve, but for the Trophy gamers who just wanna have the most expensive rig, and latest buzzword component, it ensures they will buy the part that costs more
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Yamil
I honestly don't see a need for more than 8 cores for anyone not doing professional work (not yet at least). It's more than enough for what a lot of users do with their PCs.
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I honestly don't see a need for more than 8 cores for anyone not doing professional work (not yet at least). It's more than enough for what a lot of users do with their PCs.
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