Intel starts the price war! - The Full Nerd breaking news
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Date: 2022-03-15
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bob
the thing is when they roll out a new process they have to charge more to make up the money they put into developing it and for the machines. 14nm was paid off a while ago. intel could make an 8 core 16 thread cpu with no igpu and sell it as an i5 if they were really so motivated. the thing is if intel put out the 9900k as an i5 or even an i7, and priced it accordingly, then scalpers would buy them all up and sell em for 600 on ebay anyway simply because intel doesnt have enough capacity to fulfil demand on that scale, all at once. so they made it an i9 and charged what the scalpers would have charged. now if intel had built out more 14nm fabs 3-4 years ago they could honeslty do that right now and compete fairly well on 14nm.
but would you build a bunch of 14nm fabs when the process tech guys are saying-oh we'll have EUV working in a year or 2 and those 14nm fabs will only be good enough for chipsets and lan chips and stuff that doesnt make any money-. of course not. these companies have to guess and they guessed the best they could but they guessed wrong and they are paying for it. the fate of intel as a company depends on how well their next guess goes. is EUV any closer? or do you start to build out more 14nm fabs or more 10nm fabs? what do you do?
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the thing is when they roll out a new process they have to charge more to make up the money they put into developing it and for the machines. 14nm was paid off a while ago. intel could make an 8 core 16 thread cpu with no igpu and sell it as an i5 if they were really so motivated. the thing is if intel put out the 9900k as an i5 or even an i7, and priced it accordingly, then scalpers would buy them all up and sell em for 600 on ebay anyway simply because intel doesnt have enough capacity to fulfil demand on that scale, all at once. so they made it an i9 and charged what the scalpers would have charged. now if intel had built out more 14nm fabs 3-4 years ago they could honeslty do that right now and compete fairly well on 14nm.
but would you build a bunch of 14nm fabs when the process tech guys are saying-oh we'll have EUV working in a year or 2 and those 14nm fabs will only be good enough for chipsets and lan chips and stuff that doesnt make any money-. of course not. these companies have to guess and they guessed the best they could but they guessed wrong and they are paying for it. the fate of intel as a company depends on how well their next guess goes. is EUV any closer? or do you start to build out more 14nm fabs or more 10nm fabs? what do you do?
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LFly
PCWorld: Shintel is doing this 50 % price cut because in reality they have their internal sales number and they probably made their statistics. the real ones. inside and they showed that Ryzen is selling like 15: 1 compared to them. And Ryzen 3000 series now has 15-20 % higher IPC and around 60-70 higher multi-core performance. But until Shintel gets it through their heads that this price cut is 2 years too late and that they should have started developing a completely new architecture from grounds up in 14 nm or 12 nm 2 years ago. until that happens, they will continue to lose their market share and will get completely dominated 1 year from now. But heck, they deserve it because they are a anti-competitive and anti-consumer company that have no truly architecture since Bloomfield 2009 and Sandy Bridge 2011 and have been scamming their consumers ever since: .
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PCWorld: Shintel is doing this 50 % price cut because in reality they have their internal sales number and they probably made their statistics. the real ones. inside and they showed that Ryzen is selling like 15: 1 compared to them. And Ryzen 3000 series now has 15-20 % higher IPC and around 60-70 higher multi-core performance. But until Shintel gets it through their heads that this price cut is 2 years too late and that they should have started developing a completely new architecture from grounds up in 14 nm or 12 nm 2 years ago. until that happens, they will continue to lose their market share and will get completely dominated 1 year from now. But heck, they deserve it because they are a anti-competitive and anti-consumer company that have no truly architecture since Bloomfield 2009 and Sandy Bridge 2011 and have been scamming their consumers ever since: .
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munchy
looking at priceing if its so simular as it is i thgink the user would pick amd as intel still hasnt droped prices below amd. for intel is win some customer base, removieing intel tax isnt enough, it needs to compete lower for amd. id still go amd ryzen at this time and im a itel fan boy but they screwed me over by making the i7 hythreadless and bringing out a overpriced i9 9900k that was 8 cores with hyperthreading. this i9 was intels greedy way to make its i7 crowd pay more. What can i say, i saw my arse with that. its like nvidia chargeing 350 pounds for a 970 then uping it to 430 for cheapest 1070 nthen that nwent up to nearly 550. nvidia and intel should never work on a product together cause it would cost too much for the average consumer.
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looking at priceing if its so simular as it is i thgink the user would pick amd as intel still hasnt droped prices below amd. for intel is win some customer base, removieing intel tax isnt enough, it needs to compete lower for amd. id still go amd ryzen at this time and im a itel fan boy but they screwed me over by making the i7 hythreadless and bringing out a overpriced i9 9900k that was 8 cores with hyperthreading. this i9 was intels greedy way to make its i7 crowd pay more. What can i say, i saw my arse with that. its like nvidia chargeing 350 pounds for a 970 then uping it to 430 for cheapest 1070 nthen that nwent up to nearly 550. nvidia and intel should never work on a product together cause it would cost too much for the average consumer.
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John
Two years ago I paid $1800+ for my 7980XE and $1000 for 64GB of 3200 c14 memory. Today both can be had (from non gauging dealers) for half that price. This is good. What else could move? Motherboard prices do NOT need to be $600 or more. I see those prices dropping and then lets mention Xeon type processors or equivalents WX3175 processors and $1800 motherboards really need to come down in price. Finally, Intel needs to get those 10nm then 7nm processes going. I'm not looking to buy until (like you said) they either make process improvements or price improvements. And, I'm going to wait till the 7nm chips are proven with their ++ architectures since I have this beast of a machine that I literally work the heck out of and it doesn't complain.
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Two years ago I paid $1800+ for my 7980XE and $1000 for 64GB of 3200 c14 memory. Today both can be had (from non gauging dealers) for half that price. This is good. What else could move? Motherboard prices do NOT need to be $600 or more. I see those prices dropping and then lets mention Xeon type processors or equivalents WX3175 processors and $1800 motherboards really need to come down in price. Finally, Intel needs to get those 10nm then 7nm processes going. I'm not looking to buy until (like you said) they either make process improvements or price improvements. And, I'm going to wait till the 7nm chips are proven with their ++ architectures since I have this beast of a machine that I literally work the heck out of and it doesn't complain.
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GamerNerd71
Watch AdoredTV's analysis of why consumer desktop will not make it easier for AMD on 7nm given, the server processor's are many times more lucrative. AMD is having a tough time on wafer allocation for consumer pc. Even threadripper may not be premium silicon given the Epyc processor demand.
This is all based on 7nm yield against ROI on wafer real estate. This is also why there is delay in launch of 3950X along with threadripper.
Now I am understanding why Intel may have a reasonable attack in the Threadripper market.
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Watch AdoredTV's analysis of why consumer desktop will not make it easier for AMD on 7nm given, the server processor's are many times more lucrative. AMD is having a tough time on wafer allocation for consumer pc. Even threadripper may not be premium silicon given the Epyc processor demand.
This is all based on 7nm yield against ROI on wafer real estate. This is also why there is delay in launch of 3950X along with threadripper.
Now I am understanding why Intel may have a reasonable attack in the Threadripper market.
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bob
in january that 9900k is gonna be an i7. and the 9700k is gonna be an i5. new names of course but itll happen i think. and that would make them fairly competitive. that would be the 10th gen. the 11th gen (rocketlake) is listed as having the igpu and core dies seperate. if intel gets the igpu dies made at samsung and sells the K desktop chips as an option with no igpu then they could really reclaim a lot of fab space. current igpuless chips still have an igpu its just turned off. it doesnt help nearly as much as this would
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in january that 9900k is gonna be an i7. and the 9700k is gonna be an i5. new names of course but itll happen i think. and that would make them fairly competitive. that would be the 10th gen. the 11th gen (rocketlake) is listed as having the igpu and core dies seperate. if intel gets the igpu dies made at samsung and sells the K desktop chips as an option with no igpu then they could really reclaim a lot of fab space. current igpuless chips still have an igpu its just turned off. it doesnt help nearly as much as this would
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Social
This only shows the Intel fans that Intel just never lowered it's prices even though they could have lowered years ago. Remember you -still- getting the same CPUs. The only thing is that Intel has reached the pinnacle of optimizations on these aged processors. We're talking two generations old as far as process of these 14nm chips. These latest releases are still over priced. Time to move to AMD's 7nm future chiplets.
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This only shows the Intel fans that Intel just never lowered it's prices even though they could have lowered years ago. Remember you -still- getting the same CPUs. The only thing is that Intel has reached the pinnacle of optimizations on these aged processors. We're talking two generations old as far as process of these 14nm chips. These latest releases are still over priced. Time to move to AMD's 7nm future chiplets.
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temperatechimp
Gordon & Co, now we ALL know that you're Intel shills. Why? Because -Intel starts the price war! - is the BIGGEST PILE OF BULLS--T, ever! AMD STARTED THE PRICE WAR, and there's NOTHING you can say or do that can CHANGE THIS FACT! And, here's another FACT - AMD have the best offerings at every price point, and in every non-mobile category.
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Gordon & Co, now we ALL know that you're Intel shills. Why? Because -Intel starts the price war! - is the BIGGEST PILE OF BULLS--T, ever! AMD STARTED THE PRICE WAR, and there's NOTHING you can say or do that can CHANGE THIS FACT! And, here's another FACT - AMD have the best offerings at every price point, and in every non-mobile category.
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Gareth
Thank you, this is brilliant news! These discounts have made Intel competitive again. AMD will now be forced to react (Zen2 parts have been on the high side of all estimates. It's win-win for us. ---
Now if AMD can pick a fight with Nvidia. The rx5700's have a similar build price to the rx480's - so they have plenty of margin to play with!
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Thank you, this is brilliant news! These discounts have made Intel competitive again. AMD will now be forced to react (Zen2 parts have been on the high side of all estimates. It's win-win for us. ---
Now if AMD can pick a fight with Nvidia. The rx5700's have a similar build price to the rx480's - so they have plenty of margin to play with!
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Vortex1988
Why are you acting like Intel is back on top again with these price cuts? You can still get a 12 core AMD CPU for less than Intel's 10 core, and AMD is still pending a new thread ripper release. I like that Intel is dropping prices, but this definitely is not a win for Intel as a company. AMD is still winning here.
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Why are you acting like Intel is back on top again with these price cuts? You can still get a 12 core AMD CPU for less than Intel's 10 core, and AMD is still pending a new thread ripper release. I like that Intel is dropping prices, but this definitely is not a win for Intel as a company. AMD is still winning here.
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