Adobe Products coming to Linux? - Official Response - Chris Titus Tech
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Date: 2022-03-20
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Zundfolge
I'll be honest, as a professional graphic designer for the last quarter century I've long lamented that I can't get Adobe on Linux ... but with the move to Creative Cloud (and the shift to Software as a Service) I really don't care if Adobe ever comes to Linux anymore. I just wish the so-called -Linux alternatives to Adobe products- actually worked well enough that they could be implemented into a real corporate design environment ... no Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus, etc are not viable replacements for Adobe products because Adobe has wisely integrated their products into the ENTIRE workflow systems that most commercial design environments use. This is how they've basically killed QuarkXpress, Macromedia (who they were killing before they bought them to shelve Freehand and Pagemaker) and Corel (which only survives because a bunch of plucky Canadians and South Africans still use it along with the handful of diehard sign companies in the US that are too cheap to -upgrade-).
At any rate I think we're better off directing our resources toward those that are developing the Adobe alternatives (because Gimp and Scribus could probably be eventually improved to the point where they'd be a viable alternative ... I don't hold out much hope for Inkscape ... oh and there's also Gravit which looks promising although they seem headed down the Software as a Service route which I detest).
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I'll be honest, as a professional graphic designer for the last quarter century I've long lamented that I can't get Adobe on Linux ... but with the move to Creative Cloud (and the shift to Software as a Service) I really don't care if Adobe ever comes to Linux anymore. I just wish the so-called -Linux alternatives to Adobe products- actually worked well enough that they could be implemented into a real corporate design environment ... no Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus, etc are not viable replacements for Adobe products because Adobe has wisely integrated their products into the ENTIRE workflow systems that most commercial design environments use. This is how they've basically killed QuarkXpress, Macromedia (who they were killing before they bought them to shelve Freehand and Pagemaker) and Corel (which only survives because a bunch of plucky Canadians and South Africans still use it along with the handful of diehard sign companies in the US that are too cheap to -upgrade-).
At any rate I think we're better off directing our resources toward those that are developing the Adobe alternatives (because Gimp and Scribus could probably be eventually improved to the point where they'd be a viable alternative ... I don't hold out much hope for Inkscape ... oh and there's also Gravit which looks promising although they seem headed down the Software as a Service route which I detest).
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R34L157
When software is available, adoption occurs. So many people are forced to use windows out of sheer necessity as well as IOS. Its a catch 22 scenario: marketshare not high enough to justify adobe creating linux version, users don't adopt linux thus stagnation continues. Since we also know microsoft likes to aggresively attack any company that deals with linux it woukd make sense if adobe is afraid of upsetting the big bad wolf, for now.
I'd happily place a sizeable wager that if the full adobe suite was available there would be a massive adoption from everyone from hobbyists to devs to companies and schools. A company of that size joining the fray would also encourage others to merge over and once the major distros have everything covered (development, gaming and creation) then windows will be abandoned by many people. The increase in adoption since steam became available is easily quantifiable.
With the obscene amount of money adobe has made from licenses to the CC subscription model it is worth a gamble and i'm sure many shareholders would agree. It has been years now and as far as we know no progress towards this has been made. This feels like a blockbuster moment and i hope they are punished for it.
Sorry to repeat what everyone has already said a year ago but it stands true today!
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When software is available, adoption occurs. So many people are forced to use windows out of sheer necessity as well as IOS. Its a catch 22 scenario: marketshare not high enough to justify adobe creating linux version, users don't adopt linux thus stagnation continues. Since we also know microsoft likes to aggresively attack any company that deals with linux it woukd make sense if adobe is afraid of upsetting the big bad wolf, for now.
I'd happily place a sizeable wager that if the full adobe suite was available there would be a massive adoption from everyone from hobbyists to devs to companies and schools. A company of that size joining the fray would also encourage others to merge over and once the major distros have everything covered (development, gaming and creation) then windows will be abandoned by many people. The increase in adoption since steam became available is easily quantifiable.
With the obscene amount of money adobe has made from licenses to the CC subscription model it is worth a gamble and i'm sure many shareholders would agree. It has been years now and as far as we know no progress towards this has been made. This feels like a blockbuster moment and i hope they are punished for it.
Sorry to repeat what everyone has already said a year ago but it stands true today!
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yvrelna
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on System76 pushing Pop!_OS (would also like to see it in one of your 10 days challenge). Unlike Red Hat and SUSE, their business model is selling hardware, including desktop and laptop, so their business model is aligned with making a great desktop environment.
I think if Adobe decided to just wait for Linux desktop to gain adoption before moving to Linux, what they'll see is their product will become irrelevant at that point. By far, the most common Windows applications I heard people often said they can't live without that holds them from moving to Linux are Adobe products and games. With Linux gaming now doing so well due to Steam, the only major hold out really is just Adobe. If Linux gains wide adoption, at that point a large number of content creators that used to use Adobe products would already have moved to a workflow using applications that are available on Linux. If Adobe waits to release a Linux version until that point, it'll be too little, too late.
It'll be just like Adobe products on Android, because they sit on their butt for too long, they are just one of the many players in photo and video editing software in Android, instead of being -the- go-to application.
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I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on System76 pushing Pop!_OS (would also like to see it in one of your 10 days challenge). Unlike Red Hat and SUSE, their business model is selling hardware, including desktop and laptop, so their business model is aligned with making a great desktop environment.
I think if Adobe decided to just wait for Linux desktop to gain adoption before moving to Linux, what they'll see is their product will become irrelevant at that point. By far, the most common Windows applications I heard people often said they can't live without that holds them from moving to Linux are Adobe products and games. With Linux gaming now doing so well due to Steam, the only major hold out really is just Adobe. If Linux gains wide adoption, at that point a large number of content creators that used to use Adobe products would already have moved to a workflow using applications that are available on Linux. If Adobe waits to release a Linux version until that point, it'll be too little, too late.
It'll be just like Adobe products on Android, because they sit on their butt for too long, they are just one of the many players in photo and video editing software in Android, instead of being -the- go-to application.
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Wayne
I think the only way Adobe would move to Linux anytime in the near future would be if they moved more of their software and processing power into the cloud. I've seen some interesting demos of real-time gaming using server rather than local gpu hardware over gigabit ethernet, and I bet Adobe could easily do the same with their creative suite so that your machine is essentially a dumb terminal running a client to connect to the actual hardware and software suite, and then that client can be tailored to Linux leaving the rest cross-platform. Adobe's already made their Creative Suite a subscription model in part because it was among the most pirated software on the planet and also to keep that upgrade money rolling in as regular monthly service payments instead of random 1 off purchases. They could do it, and with so many tablets, chrome books, and under-powered PCs that could benefit from it, they might move to that eventually. Imagine what Adobe could do with some of their AI based media editing and encoding software when the back end is a server farm and the latency for the user is so low, the feedback is real-time.
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I think the only way Adobe would move to Linux anytime in the near future would be if they moved more of their software and processing power into the cloud. I've seen some interesting demos of real-time gaming using server rather than local gpu hardware over gigabit ethernet, and I bet Adobe could easily do the same with their creative suite so that your machine is essentially a dumb terminal running a client to connect to the actual hardware and software suite, and then that client can be tailored to Linux leaving the rest cross-platform. Adobe's already made their Creative Suite a subscription model in part because it was among the most pirated software on the planet and also to keep that upgrade money rolling in as regular monthly service payments instead of random 1 off purchases. They could do it, and with so many tablets, chrome books, and under-powered PCs that could benefit from it, they might move to that eventually. Imagine what Adobe could do with some of their AI based media editing and encoding software when the back end is a server farm and the latency for the user is so low, the feedback is real-time.
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Yildiz
I want to switch from windows to Linux . I used open SUSE for like 2 years in school. But it was a little tough with all these commands. One day I just installed Linux mint on my laptop to test it. And it was way faster. Also, I liked to look of it . Because some people told me its like a windows interface. I don't like windows 10. Also, I don't want to share too much of my personal stuff, because windows collects why more date from me. Also, It is not that easy to get a virus on Linux, I was told from some people, because most of these viruses are made for windows desktops. That's why It seems the perfect time for me to switch to Linux.Beacuse Windows also anounced a date for no longer updates for windows 7 ,and if you still use windows 7 you have to pay for it,Thats just incredible why would I pay montly fees for windows (doesnt make any sence )I think I will do a dual boot first to learn. Then switch completely.
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I want to switch from windows to Linux . I used open SUSE for like 2 years in school. But it was a little tough with all these commands. One day I just installed Linux mint on my laptop to test it. And it was way faster. Also, I liked to look of it . Because some people told me its like a windows interface. I don't like windows 10. Also, I don't want to share too much of my personal stuff, because windows collects why more date from me. Also, It is not that easy to get a virus on Linux, I was told from some people, because most of these viruses are made for windows desktops. That's why It seems the perfect time for me to switch to Linux.Beacuse Windows also anounced a date for no longer updates for windows 7 ,and if you still use windows 7 you have to pay for it,Thats just incredible why would I pay montly fees for windows (doesnt make any sence )I think I will do a dual boot first to learn. Then switch completely.
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Zuo
Almost, everyone who is willing to migrate to Linux have just one common problem makes him/her to still stick with windows, which is Adobe products :)
I am actually one of them, I want to migrate to Linux mint, I love Cinnamon, but Adobe is the only problem. I don't know why such big company is afraid to be available in here, it could be because of many reasons, but one may be because of managers have hard time to decision making when it comes to future market. Anyway, I am sure that the reason why Windows is still leading the market is because of Adobe products are there, you see apple was started from zero to where it's today, but windows only losing users every new year.
Sorry for my English.
I hope Adobe will be in Linux! It will be a great day for everyone.
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Almost, everyone who is willing to migrate to Linux have just one common problem makes him/her to still stick with windows, which is Adobe products :)
I am actually one of them, I want to migrate to Linux mint, I love Cinnamon, but Adobe is the only problem. I don't know why such big company is afraid to be available in here, it could be because of many reasons, but one may be because of managers have hard time to decision making when it comes to future market. Anyway, I am sure that the reason why Windows is still leading the market is because of Adobe products are there, you see apple was started from zero to where it's today, but windows only losing users every new year.
Sorry for my English.
I hope Adobe will be in Linux! It will be a great day for everyone.
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Kevin
I-m not going to hold my breath regarding Adobe-s lack of foresight. Some years ago Adobe bought Macromedia with the intention of getting Flash (and possibly Dreamweaver). Sadly, Freehand was in that basket too and as soon Adobe had their dirty paws on it, they killed it. Their response was -use Illustrator-. Besides being hard to learn, it takes more steps to create artwork then Freehand. Illustrator is very bloated and one would be hard pressed to find someone who uses half of the functions available. So, Adobe has shown us the middle finger before and I-m not surprised at their response. BTW, offers were made to have Adobe sell Freehand, I don-t need to elaborate what their response was.
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I-m not going to hold my breath regarding Adobe-s lack of foresight. Some years ago Adobe bought Macromedia with the intention of getting Flash (and possibly Dreamweaver). Sadly, Freehand was in that basket too and as soon Adobe had their dirty paws on it, they killed it. Their response was -use Illustrator-. Besides being hard to learn, it takes more steps to create artwork then Freehand. Illustrator is very bloated and one would be hard pressed to find someone who uses half of the functions available. So, Adobe has shown us the middle finger before and I-m not surprised at their response. BTW, offers were made to have Adobe sell Freehand, I don-t need to elaborate what their response was.
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MrCxx
The -it's difficult- excuse is bull. Adobe applications are written in C++ and they use Qt for the GUI. This means, that with very little alterations to the code base, they could just compile on Linux and they're done although that's the easy part - extensive testing would be needed. But still hardly -difficult-.
The real reason, I suspect, is that their business model is not in line with the Linux mindset - who is going to pay loads of money each month for this software? It's subscription based and very expensive, something the Linux community is not keen on, so Adobe are afraid they won't be able to milk Linux customers so easily as they do on Windows and Mac.
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The -it's difficult- excuse is bull. Adobe applications are written in C++ and they use Qt for the GUI. This means, that with very little alterations to the code base, they could just compile on Linux and they're done although that's the easy part - extensive testing would be needed. But still hardly -difficult-.
The real reason, I suspect, is that their business model is not in line with the Linux mindset - who is going to pay loads of money each month for this software? It's subscription based and very expensive, something the Linux community is not keen on, so Adobe are afraid they won't be able to milk Linux customers so easily as they do on Windows and Mac.
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JohnY
Actually if 6500 people voted and you assume client base around that getting cheapest pack for 12 euros (lets be realistic) it gives you around 80k euros monthly. That seems way too little money for building and maintaining whole new team creating linux versions and supporting all adobe products. Having new platform also creates a lot of legacy issues, it affects future design and development of apps to other Operating systems. Sadly it looks risky and not profitable enough for Adobe.
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Actually if 6500 people voted and you assume client base around that getting cheapest pack for 12 euros (lets be realistic) it gives you around 80k euros monthly. That seems way too little money for building and maintaining whole new team creating linux versions and supporting all adobe products. Having new platform also creates a lot of legacy issues, it affects future design and development of apps to other Operating systems. Sadly it looks risky and not profitable enough for Adobe.
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Robert
as long as windows is not switching to UNIX it's not gonna happen.. BUT, with the rise of ARM i see a chance that windows might be switching to Unix so the merger between Desktop and Mobile is easier from a development point of view.. and THEN Adobe might consider developing for Linux as well, since they would have to develop for Unix in general.
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as long as windows is not switching to UNIX it's not gonna happen.. BUT, with the rise of ARM i see a chance that windows might be switching to Unix so the merger between Desktop and Mobile is easier from a development point of view.. and THEN Adobe might consider developing for Linux as well, since they would have to develop for Unix in general.
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