Unfettered Freedom, Ep. 4 - Google and FOSS, Patent Trolls, Linux FUD, Firefox, Arch Linux DistroTube
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Date: 2022-03-30
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SimGunther
Using a minimal distro like Arch linux gives you a better -pivot position- to learn about Linux. But when someone's a normie and doesn't feel motivated to learn about linux, you can't get them to solve problems that motivate them to learn even the most basic things about linux because they can mistake a web browser as an -operating system-.
You want the most basic overview of linux? Use a distro that is -user friendly- like Linux mint, Fedora, and Pop!_os. Want a deep dive? Don't force yourself into minimal distros like Artix Linux and LFS unless you know you're ready for the deepest dive in your life. -Solve one problem at a time- is my philosophy. A mental map can do wonders for the overview of linux and its related parts, but do take the time to write detailed notes about every component of the system on the side.
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Using a minimal distro like Arch linux gives you a better -pivot position- to learn about Linux. But when someone's a normie and doesn't feel motivated to learn about linux, you can't get them to solve problems that motivate them to learn even the most basic things about linux because they can mistake a web browser as an -operating system-.
You want the most basic overview of linux? Use a distro that is -user friendly- like Linux mint, Fedora, and Pop!_os. Want a deep dive? Don't force yourself into minimal distros like Artix Linux and LFS unless you know you're ready for the deepest dive in your life. -Solve one problem at a time- is my philosophy. A mental map can do wonders for the overview of linux and its related parts, but do take the time to write detailed notes about every component of the system on the side.
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Felipe
I love my Manjaro install, that doesn't mean I know better. I like it simply because I have KDE on it and has been stable for two years now, other than that I favor it over my Kubuntu and Zorin OS, neither made me know better, now, learning FreeCAD in any of the above distros made me feel better about myself. All those harassing Linux with the latest threats are just propaganda that is willing to discredit anyone they can sink their paws onto, they will do it to anyone, where I come from they are the yellow newspapers (color of crap), heed not much attention to them.
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I love my Manjaro install, that doesn't mean I know better. I like it simply because I have KDE on it and has been stable for two years now, other than that I favor it over my Kubuntu and Zorin OS, neither made me know better, now, learning FreeCAD in any of the above distros made me feel better about myself. All those harassing Linux with the latest threats are just propaganda that is willing to discredit anyone they can sink their paws onto, they will do it to anyone, where I come from they are the yellow newspapers (color of crap), heed not much attention to them.
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Lifeless
The learning experience you get from Arch isn't just about simply installing it. When you have a fresh install of Arch, you are not going into a out of the box Operating system, there are still a ton of other things you need to set up as it's a MINIMAL install and would require you to do things from the ground up. You don't get things just handed to you in other easier distros, you have to install things you never thought you would have to which would make you understand what programs do what.
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The learning experience you get from Arch isn't just about simply installing it. When you have a fresh install of Arch, you are not going into a out of the box Operating system, there are still a ton of other things you need to set up as it's a MINIMAL install and would require you to do things from the ground up. You don't get things just handed to you in other easier distros, you have to install things you never thought you would have to which would make you understand what programs do what.
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KatzRool
My first experience with Linux was installing Arch. I'm pretty sure what these people mean when they say -installing Arch will help you learn Linux- is that you're literally forced to figure things out. I spent days in man pages and fixing various broken drivers because I had no other choice. Sure, I just copied and pasted the commands in the first place, but jumping from windows to a minimal distro with no prior -NIX knowledge really kickstarted my learning process.
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My first experience with Linux was installing Arch. I'm pretty sure what these people mean when they say -installing Arch will help you learn Linux- is that you're literally forced to figure things out. I spent days in man pages and fixing various broken drivers because I had no other choice. Sure, I just copied and pasted the commands in the first place, but jumping from windows to a minimal distro with no prior -NIX knowledge really kickstarted my learning process.
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Carlos
I think people have got the causality between installing Arch and learning more about Linux wrong.
The curiosity and will to tinker around is what gets you to install Arch but is also what ultimately gets you to learn more about linux, but with that mindset you'll learn more about linux with or without Arch.
So yeah advertising Arch as THE way of learning linux is plain wrong, installing a distro won't magically give you the right mindset or motivation.
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I think people have got the causality between installing Arch and learning more about Linux wrong.
The curiosity and will to tinker around is what gets you to install Arch but is also what ultimately gets you to learn more about linux, but with that mindset you'll learn more about linux with or without Arch.
So yeah advertising Arch as THE way of learning linux is plain wrong, installing a distro won't magically give you the right mindset or motivation.
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Joe
DT: If you really want to learn Linux, install Arch. -I have long argued that this was not the case.-
Also DT: Nov 2019 In a video titled Arch Is The Ideal Beginner's Distro, DT argues the case for beginners installing Arch to -Learn Linux- because with a graphical installer you just click 3 times and in ten minutes you have installed Linux and have learned nothing.
Still love you DT.
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DT: If you really want to learn Linux, install Arch. -I have long argued that this was not the case.-
Also DT: Nov 2019 In a video titled Arch Is The Ideal Beginner's Distro, DT argues the case for beginners installing Arch to -Learn Linux- because with a graphical installer you just click 3 times and in ten minutes you have installed Linux and have learned nothing.
Still love you DT.
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Jason
It is 100% false that you can use arch, and ESPECIALLY gentoo without gaining any knowledge about linux. Seriously, for even basic operation of gentoo you need to learn about compiler flags, use flags, dependencies, kernel options, filesystems, init systems, and the boot process. A lot of this also applies for arch.
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It is 100% false that you can use arch, and ESPECIALLY gentoo without gaining any knowledge about linux. Seriously, for even basic operation of gentoo you need to learn about compiler flags, use flags, dependencies, kernel options, filesystems, init systems, and the boot process. A lot of this also applies for arch.
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Timothy
I installed Arch as my first distro and learnt so much. I got stuck many times and had to troubleshoot. I learnt how config files work, how to install packages and Window Managers, and how to compile suckless programs. It also took a lot of learning to get Wi-Fi and Bluetooth working.
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I installed Arch as my first distro and learnt so much. I got stuck many times and had to troubleshoot. I learnt how config files work, how to install packages and Window Managers, and how to compile suckless programs. It also took a lot of learning to get Wi-Fi and Bluetooth working.
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Sami
Hey dt, I agree, installing arch using commands is instructive and we can learn much by this process, but installation takes much time so my question: is there a quick method to install arch and get the same system as I installed it using commands?
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Hey dt, I agree, installing arch using commands is instructive and we can learn much by this process, but installation takes much time so my question: is there a quick method to install arch and get the same system as I installed it using commands?
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Akshat
Well, I disagree with the last story. I installed Gentoo and know around 10% more about Linux than I did before. Arch was not that knowledgable, I concede. But Gentoo, the kernel configuration especially burns a few hundred calories ; )
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Well, I disagree with the last story. I installed Gentoo and know around 10% more about Linux than I did before. Arch was not that knowledgable, I concede. But Gentoo, the kernel configuration especially burns a few hundred calories ; )
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