Explained: AMD Ryzen CPU Burn-Out & Power Reporting Deviation Benchmarks (HWINFO)
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Date: 2020-06-10
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Morpheas
Basically, you can do a small OverClock, something like AutoOC + PBO, and the CPU will still live for many years, probably over 9-10 years or so, provided that you've got a capable cooler, able to keep the temps to a safe sub-90 degrees Celsius at all times.
And if that doesnt kill your CPU within a short period of time, then there's no reason to believe that any serious Power Reporting Deviation from the board will do anything that should worry you.
This is basically just the motherboard manufacturer trying to get a slightly higher Cinebench (& other benchmarks) score.
Its the same as raising or even removing the Power Limits. The CPU can only go so far, at stock clocks and voltage.
It wont fry itself, and it wont seriously degrade over time, it will be more or less the same.
And if someone is still worried by this, you can go ahead and undervolt your CPU a little bit, and then validate that undervoltage by comparing Cinebench R20 scores with stock voltage.
I was able to set a -0.08 offset on my R5 3600, which reduced the temps by about 5 C, on an all-core 100% load, and I only lost about 0.9% performance, which is really only detectable in Benchmarks, not in actual gaming or any real-world scenario.
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Basically, you can do a small OverClock, something like AutoOC + PBO, and the CPU will still live for many years, probably over 9-10 years or so, provided that you've got a capable cooler, able to keep the temps to a safe sub-90 degrees Celsius at all times.
And if that doesnt kill your CPU within a short period of time, then there's no reason to believe that any serious Power Reporting Deviation from the board will do anything that should worry you.
This is basically just the motherboard manufacturer trying to get a slightly higher Cinebench (& other benchmarks) score.
Its the same as raising or even removing the Power Limits. The CPU can only go so far, at stock clocks and voltage.
It wont fry itself, and it wont seriously degrade over time, it will be more or less the same.
And if someone is still worried by this, you can go ahead and undervolt your CPU a little bit, and then validate that undervoltage by comparing Cinebench R20 scores with stock voltage.
I was able to set a -0.08 offset on my R5 3600, which reduced the temps by about 5 C, on an all-core 100% load, and I only lost about 0.9% performance, which is really only detectable in Benchmarks, not in actual gaming or any real-world scenario.
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David
Off topic, but in the neighbourhood of temps and cases.
I think it was GN that once suggested to drop Fractal a line directly at their site comment page, regarding case design ideas (maybe it was Jay ... hmmm).
So I did.
I detailed an idea for a full tower, better designed meshify style with + airflow, with space for E-ATX boards (I know ... no such thing), custom loupes or large NH15's, easy user removable inner foam dust filters, better cable routes, better multi SSD and HDD option spaces and 'stuff they get wrong' fixes,
including having 'with enough fans' or 'no fans' purchase options (good for buyers, tough on reviewers to know which way to go to test).
Pretty good ideas actually, and explained how it could be done with a minimum of manufacturer line build variables and use mostly 'off the fractal parts bin' approach.
Offered to coordinate to help ... for free (or maybe for 1 case).
I heard nothing. Lets see if they build it.
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Off topic, but in the neighbourhood of temps and cases.
I think it was GN that once suggested to drop Fractal a line directly at their site comment page, regarding case design ideas (maybe it was Jay ... hmmm).
So I did.
I detailed an idea for a full tower, better designed meshify style with + airflow, with space for E-ATX boards (I know ... no such thing), custom loupes or large NH15's, easy user removable inner foam dust filters, better cable routes, better multi SSD and HDD option spaces and 'stuff they get wrong' fixes,
including having 'with enough fans' or 'no fans' purchase options (good for buyers, tough on reviewers to know which way to go to test).
Pretty good ideas actually, and explained how it could be done with a minimum of manufacturer line build variables and use mostly 'off the fractal parts bin' approach.
Offered to coordinate to help ... for free (or maybe for 1 case).
I heard nothing. Lets see if they build it.
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Joseph
Thanks you so much for the video Steve, you have put my mind to rest. But somehow I am not surprised that the MB manufacturers would do this. All MB manufacturers are after all the same manufacturers that make Intel MBs. They just like to cheat whether it's AMD or Intel MBs. Can't trust them period. Thanks for the video Steve, I have been waiting for your video to explain the situation in an educated and reasonable manner.
I do feel better about the situation now, as an ASUS X570-F Gaming owner myself. I will run some tests and see where I stand, but either way I am not panicked about it, thanks to your clear and thorough take on the issue.
Thanks again Steve, you are on top of tricky companies once again for us, much appreciated.
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Thanks you so much for the video Steve, you have put my mind to rest. But somehow I am not surprised that the MB manufacturers would do this. All MB manufacturers are after all the same manufacturers that make Intel MBs. They just like to cheat whether it's AMD or Intel MBs. Can't trust them period. Thanks for the video Steve, I have been waiting for your video to explain the situation in an educated and reasonable manner.
I do feel better about the situation now, as an ASUS X570-F Gaming owner myself. I will run some tests and see where I stand, but either way I am not panicked about it, thanks to your clear and thorough take on the issue.
Thanks again Steve, you are on top of tricky companies once again for us, much appreciated.
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Hairy
I recently had a Ryzen 5 3600 die on an Asus X370 Prime Pro. It got extremely unstable at 'optimized defaults', but ran stable fixed at 3 GHz. I can't be totally sure it was the default motherboard settings, because I fooled around myself a bit, but it didn't happen suddenly but it got worse and worse. Also I never did see the cpu run particulary hot (max temp was around 70C).
I am sure it is the cpu that died and not a motherboard problem, because I replaced the motherboard first with an MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC, but it didn't work on that either and everything got solved when I bought a new cpu. I did notice the reported voltages were really high on the Asus mobo with voltages on auto, often 1.45V.
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I recently had a Ryzen 5 3600 die on an Asus X370 Prime Pro. It got extremely unstable at 'optimized defaults', but ran stable fixed at 3 GHz. I can't be totally sure it was the default motherboard settings, because I fooled around myself a bit, but it didn't happen suddenly but it got worse and worse. Also I never did see the cpu run particulary hot (max temp was around 70C).
I am sure it is the cpu that died and not a motherboard problem, because I replaced the motherboard first with an MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC, but it didn't work on that either and everything got solved when I bought a new cpu. I did notice the reported voltages were really high on the Asus mobo with voltages on auto, often 1.45V.
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Adrian's
Thank you GN! I read that Tom's article yesterday and it came across as alarmist garbage. I was anticipating your response video and you definitely delivered! I love that you apply science, research and actual investigation to things and never resort to garbage click-bait headlines. I was also annoyed that Tom's seemed to say that the cheating going on with Intel motherboards is encouraged by Intel and couldn't possibly have any ill effect on those CPUs. You didn't really touch on this point in this video, but it doesn't make sense to me that ignoring Intel's recommendation on boost duration doesn't put more stress on those chips.
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Thank you GN! I read that Tom's article yesterday and it came across as alarmist garbage. I was anticipating your response video and you definitely delivered! I love that you apply science, research and actual investigation to things and never resort to garbage click-bait headlines. I was also annoyed that Tom's seemed to say that the cheating going on with Intel motherboards is encouraged by Intel and couldn't possibly have any ill effect on those CPUs. You didn't really touch on this point in this video, but it doesn't make sense to me that ignoring Intel's recommendation on boost duration doesn't put more stress on those chips.
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TechGamer
for someone that had to OC my Ryzen CPU to control the Voltage and its temps I completely understand the worry as seeing the Motherboard automatically pump 1.5V when set on auto Voltage is unacceptable and whats funny is that changing CPU Voltage does not help at all as the it would say 1.3V on CPU Voltage but each CPU Vid still reaches 1.5V which amps up the temps to annoying levels even during light tasks like web browsing, I had to do a TPU OC which is the MOBO auto OC from ASUS and it fixed that now CPU Voltage is 1.3V and each CPU Vid does not go beyond 1.2V 3700X 4.1GHZ and my Temps under general use is now 10 to 15C lower.
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for someone that had to OC my Ryzen CPU to control the Voltage and its temps I completely understand the worry as seeing the Motherboard automatically pump 1.5V when set on auto Voltage is unacceptable and whats funny is that changing CPU Voltage does not help at all as the it would say 1.3V on CPU Voltage but each CPU Vid still reaches 1.5V which amps up the temps to annoying levels even during light tasks like web browsing, I had to do a TPU OC which is the MOBO auto OC from ASUS and it fixed that now CPU Voltage is 1.3V and each CPU Vid does not go beyond 1.2V 3700X 4.1GHZ and my Temps under general use is now 10 to 15C lower.
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Charles
I tested the HWINFO Beta (June 8, 2020) on my RYZEN 5 2600 with ASUS PRIME X370 PRO with the Beta bios of 5406 (16GB DDR4 CL16 GSKILL TridenZ at 3200). I ran a benchmark on Cinebench R20 and monitored CPU Package Power (SMU) - Avg 85W, Max 87W. as for Power Reporting Deviation was Avg - 105.6% and 115.6% (all of these values came out as the bechmark started and ended) I want to ask if this is on the normal range or should I pay attention on doing something to mitigate this? Thank you.
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I tested the HWINFO Beta (June 8, 2020) on my RYZEN 5 2600 with ASUS PRIME X370 PRO with the Beta bios of 5406 (16GB DDR4 CL16 GSKILL TridenZ at 3200). I ran a benchmark on Cinebench R20 and monitored CPU Package Power (SMU) - Avg 85W, Max 87W. as for Power Reporting Deviation was Avg - 105.6% and 115.6% (all of these values came out as the bechmark started and ended) I want to ask if this is on the normal range or should I pay attention on doing something to mitigate this? Thank you.
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N64211319
My cheap ASRock board (x570 pro4) didn't lie about it's power consumption, although it did pump an impressive 1.40v through my r5 3600 by default. The wraith stealth could keep temps at just under 95c and avoid throttling mostly...
A bios update dropped voltages and temps significantly, and manual voltage settings helped even more. Also got about 150mhz more boost out of it now that it's not on fire.
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My cheap ASRock board (x570 pro4) didn't lie about it's power consumption, although it did pump an impressive 1.40v through my r5 3600 by default. The wraith stealth could keep temps at just under 95c and avoid throttling mostly...
A bios update dropped voltages and temps significantly, and manual voltage settings helped even more. Also got about 150mhz more boost out of it now that it's not on fire.
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Bryan
The discrepancies could be compounded by the fact all measuring devices have an inherent inaccuracy, which should be stated in the owners manual of each device, without side by side calibration of each device to each other there can be no way to know the amount of inaccuracy that exists. Even the same make and model mutlimeter or any measuring device can have different readings between the two of them.
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The discrepancies could be compounded by the fact all measuring devices have an inherent inaccuracy, which should be stated in the owners manual of each device, without side by side calibration of each device to each other there can be no way to know the amount of inaccuracy that exists. Even the same make and model mutlimeter or any measuring device can have different readings between the two of them.
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Freundlicher
24:18 A question mark in the headline is designed to remove the responsibility from yourself and put it on the audience or someonelse
Yeah, that's true! This way all these flat earthers do their propaganda, like; Is the Earth really round???? And then they argue; I never said XYZ, i just ask questions. (obviously works with all the other conspiracy myths)
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24:18 A question mark in the headline is designed to remove the responsibility from yourself and put it on the audience or someonelse
Yeah, that's true! This way all these flat earthers do their propaganda, like; Is the Earth really round???? And then they argue; I never said XYZ, i just ask questions. (obviously works with all the other conspiracy myths)
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