HW News - New AMD RX 7600 XT, MSI Founders Edition Alternative, The Claw Handheld
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Date: 2024-01-11
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MrHeHim
Just reprinted a ITX case i designed some 6+ years ago in CF-PETG to upgrade my i5-540 3.95GHz I've been rockin' for almost 15 years and GTX 1050 2GB. I was seriously impressed how well it's designed HAHAHA.. I'm so full of myself RN. But fr, I should upload it thingiverse but it has a few designs on it that only fit my power button and front i/o. At the time good ITX cases cost over 200 and it made sense because of the low volume, but now there's so many nice ones around 100 i would have not spent the 50+ hours i probably spent designing and printing and redesigning etc etc lol. TBO, i treat CAD like playing games.. put on a podcast and just mess around with no goals really
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Just reprinted a ITX case i designed some 6+ years ago in CF-PETG to upgrade my i5-540 3.95GHz I've been rockin' for almost 15 years and GTX 1050 2GB. I was seriously impressed how well it's designed HAHAHA.. I'm so full of myself RN. But fr, I should upload it thingiverse but it has a few designs on it that only fit my power button and front i/o. At the time good ITX cases cost over 200 and it made sense because of the low volume, but now there's so many nice ones around 100 i would have not spent the 50+ hours i probably spent designing and printing and redesigning etc etc lol. TBO, i treat CAD like playing games.. put on a podcast and just mess around with no goals really
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paxdriver
I'm still shocked that maglev fans aren't the cheap standard by now. I've been playing with magnets since they came with the science books at the book stores... K, admittedly I'm slightly old, but still sub-40 is close enough you anyone young enough to think that's old so my point still stands. Even back then magnets and electric motors didn't cost the same as a takeout meal, but today they're priced like Sheraton suites. Makes no sense at all to me. It's coil and magnets, there's only 2 polarities. How do you not get that straight? Replacement program = remagnrtizing by waving a wand over returned fans. They just mail the back and get new ones - fans work forever.
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I'm still shocked that maglev fans aren't the cheap standard by now. I've been playing with magnets since they came with the science books at the book stores... K, admittedly I'm slightly old, but still sub-40 is close enough you anyone young enough to think that's old so my point still stands. Even back then magnets and electric motors didn't cost the same as a takeout meal, but today they're priced like Sheraton suites. Makes no sense at all to me. It's coil and magnets, there's only 2 polarities. How do you not get that straight? Replacement program = remagnrtizing by waving a wand over returned fans. They just mail the back and get new ones - fans work forever.
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paxdriver
The 3060 had 12gb... I'd rather hbm 12gb than 8gb with hbm-2 and a lower bus speed.
Mfg know that ram doesn't increase the cost THAT much.. Like +100% extra cost for a 20% increase in performance from more power consumption, noise, and with less bandwidth and memory...
Why is anyone paying out of pocket for 40 series??? Maybe a company exoense, ya sure. If it makes you 100k and costs 10k then by all means, pay out the nose. But why are non-royal mud bloods laying royal prices for imperceptible performance on leisure?
But for content creators, gamers, etc who aren't already rich, why are you buying 40 series??
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The 3060 had 12gb... I'd rather hbm 12gb than 8gb with hbm-2 and a lower bus speed.
Mfg know that ram doesn't increase the cost THAT much.. Like +100% extra cost for a 20% increase in performance from more power consumption, noise, and with less bandwidth and memory...
Why is anyone paying out of pocket for 40 series??? Maybe a company exoense, ya sure. If it makes you 100k and costs 10k then by all means, pay out the nose. But why are non-royal mud bloods laying royal prices for imperceptible performance on leisure?
But for content creators, gamers, etc who aren't already rich, why are you buying 40 series??
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estrheagen4160
Please please please do more mATX! In this day and age of most people only plugging a GPU in, most are well-served by an mATX motherboard, and one of those 1) looks silly in an ATX case and 2) an ATX case is larger on the desk than it really needs to be. I ended up just buying an ATX case (O11 Air Mini so vertical footprint of mATX) when I built my rig, but I probably would have got an mATX one if a reputable outlet like yourselves had a body of information on the options out there. So yeah, please do more mATX reviews, I want to see more people get into medium form-factor.
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Please please please do more mATX! In this day and age of most people only plugging a GPU in, most are well-served by an mATX motherboard, and one of those 1) looks silly in an ATX case and 2) an ATX case is larger on the desk than it really needs to be. I ended up just buying an ATX case (O11 Air Mini so vertical footprint of mATX) when I built my rig, but I probably would have got an mATX one if a reputable outlet like yourselves had a body of information on the options out there. So yeah, please do more mATX reviews, I want to see more people get into medium form-factor.
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Darksjeik
13:43 Illustrates my complaint with hand helds perfectly. Look at how the hands are naturally positioned when holding the Claw. Notice how the right thumbstick is positioned in relation to the holder’s right thumb. I can’t understand why only the Steamdeck gets this right. I can’t play a Nintendo Switch for the exact same reason. I get that the xbox controller has a similar layout but that thing is ergonomically shaped with actual grips. These tablet shaped hand held devices are literally a pain to play for me, with the exception of the Stemdeck.
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13:43 Illustrates my complaint with hand helds perfectly. Look at how the hands are naturally positioned when holding the Claw. Notice how the right thumbstick is positioned in relation to the holder’s right thumb. I can’t understand why only the Steamdeck gets this right. I can’t play a Nintendo Switch for the exact same reason. I get that the xbox controller has a similar layout but that thing is ergonomically shaped with actual grips. These tablet shaped hand held devices are literally a pain to play for me, with the exception of the Stemdeck.
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richarddobson1605
Def interested in Micro ATX Tower cases. Currently building a budget gaming PC in Silverstone Alta G1M and am loving it so far.
EDIT: but PLEASE can you do an investigation into GPU temps when in a vertical orientation with the IO pointing upwards? There are numerous posts on Reddit and various forums describing negative GPU cooling performance when in this orientation, and a manufacturer even listed a number of different GPU models in a table as to which were being affected and which ones were not affected IIRC.
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Def interested in Micro ATX Tower cases. Currently building a budget gaming PC in Silverstone Alta G1M and am loving it so far.
EDIT: but PLEASE can you do an investigation into GPU temps when in a vertical orientation with the IO pointing upwards? There are numerous posts on Reddit and various forums describing negative GPU cooling performance when in this orientation, and a manufacturer even listed a number of different GPU models in a table as to which were being affected and which ones were not affected IIRC.
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MrTechnofuzz
the 7600xt will be DOA for consumers, it's about as useful as the RTX 4060ti 16gb. Only benefit is under 400 GPU with 16gb of ram which is great for creators and as they said in their keynote: AI algorithms. The 7600xt should have very least have had 36CUs, being the same as a 7600 non-xt with the same specs is disappointing and disingenuous, its about as good as the 4080 12gb becoming the 4070ti. Overall vibe of CES: every CEO was slinging so many buzzwords that my head was spinning.
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the 7600xt will be DOA for consumers, it's about as useful as the RTX 4060ti 16gb. Only benefit is under 400 GPU with 16gb of ram which is great for creators and as they said in their keynote: AI algorithms. The 7600xt should have very least have had 36CUs, being the same as a 7600 non-xt with the same specs is disappointing and disingenuous, its about as good as the 4080 12gb becoming the 4070ti. Overall vibe of CES: every CEO was slinging so many buzzwords that my head was spinning.
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lazyreuvin
Are general consumers are finally catching on that you can build an equivilently powerful PC in a case that's 1/4 of the size of a conventional gaming PC (provided you choose the right parts of course)? Maybe not, but whilst it is a little large for a mini-ITX case, the Cooler Master case looks like a great option for people who are on the fence about downsizing their next build but aren't too sure about building SFF. In any case, I'm all for more SFF cases and components!
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Are general consumers are finally catching on that you can build an equivilently powerful PC in a case that's 1/4 of the size of a conventional gaming PC (provided you choose the right parts of course)? Maybe not, but whilst it is a little large for a mini-ITX case, the Cooler Master case looks like a great option for people who are on the fence about downsizing their next build but aren't too sure about building SFF. In any case, I'm all for more SFF cases and components!
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ShroudedWolf51
Honestly, as cool as the mATX and mITX cases are and as fun as it is seeing their reviews, what I really want is a return to form for standard ATX towers. Preferably in the mid-tower variant and with some good full tower options. Since those are by far the most practical for not juts me, but for everyone that I offer advice to. Let's face it, if you have the skill and knowhow of building in a mITX case, you probably have the ability to pick out your own parts.
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Honestly, as cool as the mATX and mITX cases are and as fun as it is seeing their reviews, what I really want is a return to form for standard ATX towers. Preferably in the mid-tower variant and with some good full tower options. Since those are by far the most practical for not juts me, but for everyone that I offer advice to. Let's face it, if you have the skill and knowhow of building in a mITX case, you probably have the ability to pick out your own parts.
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katietree4949
Oof, blows my mind people still settle for such bad bus width sizing.
As far as sff chassis / builds, I'm stoked to see it gain popularity. Sff has always made the most sense, and the lack of spotlight / interest in the past has always bummed me out (to the point I just bought a resin printer and make my own chassis / fans) so I'm happy to see these companies catching up to the sff community.
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Oof, blows my mind people still settle for such bad bus width sizing.
As far as sff chassis / builds, I'm stoked to see it gain popularity. Sff has always made the most sense, and the lack of spotlight / interest in the past has always bummed me out (to the point I just bought a resin printer and make my own chassis / fans) so I'm happy to see these companies catching up to the sff community.
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gamersnexus
I would love to see the Tower 300 review. Currently I own the Tower 200 and the gpu thermal is pretty bad. Although there's plenty of mesh panels around the case, some(or even a lot) of gpus hate the IO facing top mount. I have a rx 7800 xt red dragon and hotspot temps go up to 95C while global temps go up to 70C during gaming. If I lay the case down, the temps seem to go down quite a lot.
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I would love to see the Tower 300 review. Currently I own the Tower 200 and the gpu thermal is pretty bad. Although there's plenty of mesh panels around the case, some(or even a lot) of gpus hate the IO facing top mount. I have a rx 7800 xt red dragon and hotspot temps go up to 95C while global temps go up to 70C during gaming. If I lay the case down, the temps seem to go down quite a lot.
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silentferret1049
The MSI Claw looked interesting but again lost me on the analog layout from side to side. I kinda wish they would make them more like the steamdeck layout if anything make it where the D-pad and Analog could be swapped around with a board swap. Being Intel could be enough of a difference to make it keep a nice market place instead of just being another of the same thing.
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The MSI Claw looked interesting but again lost me on the analog layout from side to side. I kinda wish they would make them more like the steamdeck layout if anything make it where the D-pad and Analog could be swapped around with a board swap. Being Intel could be enough of a difference to make it keep a nice market place instead of just being another of the same thing.
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10001000101
AMD again overshooting their GPU pricing.
It has no better performance than the 7600 which was received as well as a serving of lukewarm fries from McDonald's, and that was after dropping the launch price to it's current price.
If they wanted to make an impact, they should have dropped the official MSRP of the 7600 to 249 and then launched this 7600xt at 299.
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AMD again overshooting their GPU pricing.
It has no better performance than the 7600 which was received as well as a serving of lukewarm fries from McDonald's, and that was after dropping the launch price to it's current price.
If they wanted to make an impact, they should have dropped the official MSRP of the 7600 to 249 and then launched this 7600xt at 299.
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jdavidaiken
Please test all the mATX cases you can - those boards are generally less expensive and both the Mrs and I are excited to do our AM5 builds in one... so y'all have at least 8 months to get the reviews out before the 8800x3D launches... right?
Love the show & the in depth industry docuseries - keep up the awesome work!
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Please test all the mATX cases you can - those boards are generally less expensive and both the Mrs and I are excited to do our AM5 builds in one... so y'all have at least 8 months to get the reviews out before the 8800x3D launches... right?
Love the show & the in depth industry docuseries - keep up the awesome work!
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Cobalt_Capacitor
The Tower 300 looks awesome, it's nice to see the mATX market getting some love.
I've worked with ITX, mATX, ATX, and eATX boards and cases since 2014. By far, my favorite cases and boards have been mATX ones, to me it's a perfect sweet-spot between price, performance, and size.
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The Tower 300 looks awesome, it's nice to see the mATX market getting some love.
I've worked with ITX, mATX, ATX, and eATX boards and cases since 2014. By far, my favorite cases and boards have been mATX ones, to me it's a perfect sweet-spot between price, performance, and size.
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fractalsauce
Just putting my 2 cents in. I'm not into mini or micro ATX so I don't really care about those case reviews (although I'll watch them anyways) but I am interested to see the Deep Cool Mystique and Mystique Plus liquid coolers compared against the Arctic Liquid Freezer II. Thanks GN!
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Just putting my 2 cents in. I'm not into mini or micro ATX so I don't really care about those case reviews (although I'll watch them anyways) but I am interested to see the Deep Cool Mystique and Mystique Plus liquid coolers compared against the Arctic Liquid Freezer II. Thanks GN!
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simonsta
gamersnexus can you do something on display stream compression and Nvidia gpus. With all the new 4k high refresh rate monitors coming out I hear Nvidia gpus are still having issues with driving these displays at the higher frame rates, making them pointless unless you have an AMD GPU.
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gamersnexus can you do something on display stream compression and Nvidia gpus. With all the new 4k high refresh rate monitors coming out I hear Nvidia gpus are still having issues with driving these displays at the higher frame rates, making them pointless unless you have an AMD GPU.
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TYahn91942
I like that Thermaltake Tower 300 Case. I like to your build in that, since it'll hold a micro ATX motherboard in it. It'd be a perfect computer build for my daughters friend. Thank you Steve, for all the information on these new products and all your videos.
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I like that Thermaltake Tower 300 Case. I like to your build in that, since it'll hold a micro ATX motherboard in it. It'd be a perfect computer build for my daughters friend. Thank you Steve, for all the information on these new products and all your videos.
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Knyght69
Lol I will challenge on how you say .gif. I am aware the creator of the format also says it incorrectly, I present this: What is this word: Gift...right...so, if you remove the t, you have? (hint, the word isn't Jift and so you do not get Jif :P
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Lol I will challenge on how you say .gif. I am aware the creator of the format also says it incorrectly, I present this: What is this word: Gift...right...so, if you remove the t, you have? (hint, the word isn't Jift and so you do not get Jif :P
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JimJamMS
The msi expert looks awesome. I wish more gpu manufacturers took note of the popularity of the founders edition cards. People like mature, elegant designs, too. Not everything needs to be a mess of gamer rgbs, though those can be cool too.
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The msi expert looks awesome. I wish more gpu manufacturers took note of the popularity of the founders edition cards. People like mature, elegant designs, too. Not everything needs to be a mess of gamer rgbs, though those can be cool too.
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