HW News - Counterfeit AMD Coolers, Radeon Vulnerability Patch, Intel Earnings
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Date: 2020-05-06
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Sam
17: 22 While step down DC-DC transformer might make sense colloquially (transformer transforms voltage to another level, step down shows the direction, and DC-DC telly you what type, People in electrical professions would not refer to it as such. In our field, a transformer is a device reserved for transforming AC voltage (and current. A similar device to change DC levels would be a regulator (buck, switching type regulators and an LDO for linear type) which would fall under the umbrella of a power converter (which also include AC-DC conversion as well as boost and other types. So it's not some who call this a DC to DC converter. It's everyone who knows about them, and people calling it a step down DC-DC transformer would only be people outside the profession, not in the know, or otherwise generally ignorant of such things. Regardless of the reason, it's not proper terminology and certainly in the minority. Now, isolated switching regulators do use transformers, but the part of the circuit using the transformer operates at AC (that is to say: DC is rapidly switched on and off to supply a square wave to the transformer) and the inductance of the coil is the most critical aspect than turns ratio, which is usually 1: 1 for these circuits. I really like the 12VO option because it would make PC PSU's much simpler and cheaper, especially for SFF builds. Motherboards already have point of load DC-DC converters for various minor rails as well as major ones for the CPU and RAM. This would possibly make motherboards more expensive since they would need to have a small-to-medium size one onboard, but I think the tradeoff could be worth it. Your typical ITX motherboard would be more complex, but the PSU driving it could be made very physically small. Also since the motherboard already knows the expected load of the 3. 3 and 5v rails, it can make those converters more efficiently (only as big as they need to be) whereas the standard PSU needs to be able to cover a wider range of loads. With switching converters becoming smaller, cheaper, and more efficient, you can really save a lot here. In other words: If we keep normal size PSU, then it's not worth it in terms of space.
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17: 22 While step down DC-DC transformer might make sense colloquially (transformer transforms voltage to another level, step down shows the direction, and DC-DC telly you what type, People in electrical professions would not refer to it as such. In our field, a transformer is a device reserved for transforming AC voltage (and current. A similar device to change DC levels would be a regulator (buck, switching type regulators and an LDO for linear type) which would fall under the umbrella of a power converter (which also include AC-DC conversion as well as boost and other types. So it's not some who call this a DC to DC converter. It's everyone who knows about them, and people calling it a step down DC-DC transformer would only be people outside the profession, not in the know, or otherwise generally ignorant of such things. Regardless of the reason, it's not proper terminology and certainly in the minority. Now, isolated switching regulators do use transformers, but the part of the circuit using the transformer operates at AC (that is to say: DC is rapidly switched on and off to supply a square wave to the transformer) and the inductance of the coil is the most critical aspect than turns ratio, which is usually 1: 1 for these circuits. I really like the 12VO option because it would make PC PSU's much simpler and cheaper, especially for SFF builds. Motherboards already have point of load DC-DC converters for various minor rails as well as major ones for the CPU and RAM. This would possibly make motherboards more expensive since they would need to have a small-to-medium size one onboard, but I think the tradeoff could be worth it. Your typical ITX motherboard would be more complex, but the PSU driving it could be made very physically small. Also since the motherboard already knows the expected load of the 3. 3 and 5v rails, it can make those converters more efficiently (only as big as they need to be) whereas the standard PSU needs to be able to cover a wider range of loads. With switching converters becoming smaller, cheaper, and more efficient, you can really save a lot here. In other words: If we keep normal size PSU, then it's not worth it in terms of space.
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Advocatus
AMD's boxed coolers are such decent coolers, they now even get counterfeited! Now imagine the Intel boxed coolers. Nobody would ever fake these worthless, shitty coolers. Incredibly, even the much less capable Wraith Spire my 3600X came with sells for 25 Euro on the small ads market. (I bought the 3600X because it was only 10 Euro more than the 3600 in a special sale over here shortly after the launch) That's not too bad, approximately like a 10% price reduction if you sell it and something that is never taken into consideration when comparing Intel vs AMD. My dad uses the stock cooler of a 2400g for his office PC and when I built his new office rig I was amazed how well the cooler performs given the fact that it's basically for free. More than sufficient cooling and not noisy at all. Perfect option for a budget build. I'm keeping my boxed cooler so I can sell the 3600X with it included in the original packaging to get a good part of my money back - which will then go straight into a Zen 3 chip.
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AMD's boxed coolers are such decent coolers, they now even get counterfeited! Now imagine the Intel boxed coolers. Nobody would ever fake these worthless, shitty coolers. Incredibly, even the much less capable Wraith Spire my 3600X came with sells for 25 Euro on the small ads market. (I bought the 3600X because it was only 10 Euro more than the 3600 in a special sale over here shortly after the launch) That's not too bad, approximately like a 10% price reduction if you sell it and something that is never taken into consideration when comparing Intel vs AMD. My dad uses the stock cooler of a 2400g for his office PC and when I built his new office rig I was amazed how well the cooler performs given the fact that it's basically for free. More than sufficient cooling and not noisy at all. Perfect option for a budget build. I'm keeping my boxed cooler so I can sell the 3600X with it included in the original packaging to get a good part of my money back - which will then go straight into a Zen 3 chip.
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jabcreations
Web developer of an entire web platform here: I still support Opera 12. 1 because it's the last version of (real) Opera (using the Presto rendering engine) and it's support is decent (don't go too much further back though. Yeah, IE gets a lot of hate but seeing M replace IE18 (ignoring Edge rebrand nonsense) with Chrome is BS; it was getting decent. I don't test browsers, I test engines (why test a Mercury when it has the same Ford engine) and different engines give me different perspectives. I test Chrome dead-last because monopolies. I use Waterfox because it's the only customizable browser left. until I can find some devs to help me replace Firefox. Also. Businesses: Intel has a ton of security holes and we have to buy a ton more of them to keep the same performance. AMD: Here is twice the performance for a tenth of the cost without the security vulnerabilities. Businesses: Let's buy more garbage CPUs because it's not like our business exists to make a profit. >__>
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Web developer of an entire web platform here: I still support Opera 12. 1 because it's the last version of (real) Opera (using the Presto rendering engine) and it's support is decent (don't go too much further back though. Yeah, IE gets a lot of hate but seeing M replace IE18 (ignoring Edge rebrand nonsense) with Chrome is BS; it was getting decent. I don't test browsers, I test engines (why test a Mercury when it has the same Ford engine) and different engines give me different perspectives. I test Chrome dead-last because monopolies. I use Waterfox because it's the only customizable browser left. until I can find some devs to help me replace Firefox. Also. Businesses: Intel has a ton of security holes and we have to buy a ton more of them to keep the same performance. AMD: Here is twice the performance for a tenth of the cost without the security vulnerabilities. Businesses: Let's buy more garbage CPUs because it's not like our business exists to make a profit. >__>
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Lukas
Would you guys be interested to report a story about counterfeit Ryzen processors? I don't mean the LGA CPUs from Intel or an old Sempron with a sticker, I mean professionally made, high quality laser engraved/laser etched AM4 Athlons (killed with over-voltage so there's no chance of them working at all) which feature the product markings of higher tier CPUs like the 3900X or the 3950X. The scammers also bend a few pins of those processors and sell them as defective, so they can always say that the product condition has been clearly stated if a buyer tries to complain about lacking function after they get the pin array back into the original shape. It's not prevalent yet, but the imitation is nearly perfect so I expect more offers in the future
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Would you guys be interested to report a story about counterfeit Ryzen processors? I don't mean the LGA CPUs from Intel or an old Sempron with a sticker, I mean professionally made, high quality laser engraved/laser etched AM4 Athlons (killed with over-voltage so there's no chance of them working at all) which feature the product markings of higher tier CPUs like the 3900X or the 3950X. The scammers also bend a few pins of those processors and sell them as defective, so they can always say that the product condition has been clearly stated if a buyer tries to complain about lacking function after they get the pin array back into the original shape. It's not prevalent yet, but the imitation is nearly perfect so I expect more offers in the future
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Larry
If these businesses are paying M to make new updates, why the fk don't they release them to the public? I can imagine multiple companies paying for the same dumb updates. M should realize people don't want Windows 10 bloatware, ads or telemetry to add serious security risks to their business. It takes me 3 days to get a Win10 install buttoned up and customized, as I fight through layer upon layer of hidden functionality that gets buried deeper and deeper with every feature update they release, and settings to customize in a meaningful way are gone after Win 7. I started using Arch Linux / KDE-Plasma about 6 months ago, and aside from gaming, it's superior in every way imaginable. and runs on less than 600 MB of RAM. Win 10 is a hot mess.
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If these businesses are paying M to make new updates, why the fk don't they release them to the public? I can imagine multiple companies paying for the same dumb updates. M should realize people don't want Windows 10 bloatware, ads or telemetry to add serious security risks to their business. It takes me 3 days to get a Win10 install buttoned up and customized, as I fight through layer upon layer of hidden functionality that gets buried deeper and deeper with every feature update they release, and settings to customize in a meaningful way are gone after Win 7. I started using Arch Linux / KDE-Plasma about 6 months ago, and aside from gaming, it's superior in every way imaginable. and runs on less than 600 MB of RAM. Win 10 is a hot mess.
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sadlerbw9
Much as it interests me, I m pretty sure the ATX12VO thing is actually an attempt to standardize what most of the desktop pc OEMs are already doing. Pretty much every small to mid sized business PC I ve looked at in the past few years is using some sort of semi-proprietary PSU that only puts out +12V. Occasionally there might be +5V standby, but usually any 5v or 3. 3v circuitry gets put on the motherboard. Most often I see 4-pin PCIe-style plugs for real power and another small connector of some sort for the power switch and other control lines. The reality is that the vast majority of OEM PCs aren t using a 24pin connector these days anyway, so I m not sure how much traction this will get.
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Much as it interests me, I m pretty sure the ATX12VO thing is actually an attempt to standardize what most of the desktop pc OEMs are already doing. Pretty much every small to mid sized business PC I ve looked at in the past few years is using some sort of semi-proprietary PSU that only puts out +12V. Occasionally there might be +5V standby, but usually any 5v or 3. 3v circuitry gets put on the motherboard. Most often I see 4-pin PCIe-style plugs for real power and another small connector of some sort for the power switch and other control lines. The reality is that the vast majority of OEM PCs aren t using a 24pin connector these days anyway, so I m not sure how much traction this will get.
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mapesdhs
16: 10 - I doubt that alleged PSU standard will mean lower prices for consumers. It just moves the logic to the mbd, which means a higher mbd cost. The worrying part about this is that atm a user only has to be concerned wrt to power delivery for devices such as HDDs in terms of PSU quality; buy a decent PSU, it's good for the entire range of mbds, GPUs, any HDD, SSD, DVDRW, etc. If mbds will start providing some of the power then upgrading a system with a new mbd means one would have to take careful note of the quality of that new circuitry, ie. one will then have to investigate two products in terms of power delivery quality. To me this looks like a bad move for the consumer.
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16: 10 - I doubt that alleged PSU standard will mean lower prices for consumers. It just moves the logic to the mbd, which means a higher mbd cost. The worrying part about this is that atm a user only has to be concerned wrt to power delivery for devices such as HDDs in terms of PSU quality; buy a decent PSU, it's good for the entire range of mbds, GPUs, any HDD, SSD, DVDRW, etc. If mbds will start providing some of the power then upgrading a system with a new mbd means one would have to take careful note of the quality of that new circuitry, ie. one will then have to investigate two products in terms of power delivery quality. To me this looks like a bad move for the consumer.
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bluephreakr
Vivaldi's a pretty nicee web browser. Founded by the original Opera dev team (back when it was on disk for 19. 99) and based on Chromium, with a custom UI which supports simultaneous page viewing through automatically-arranged tiled tabs either user-defined or generated from a Stack of tabs sorted by purpose or domain origin. While you can't go as far as creating custom multi-page layouts like in pre-Quantum Firefox Tile Tabs, for power users who just want to see two or more things at once it's pretty dope.
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Vivaldi's a pretty nicee web browser. Founded by the original Opera dev team (back when it was on disk for 19. 99) and based on Chromium, with a custom UI which supports simultaneous page viewing through automatically-arranged tiled tabs either user-defined or generated from a Stack of tabs sorted by purpose or domain origin. While you can't go as far as creating custom multi-page layouts like in pre-Quantum Firefox Tile Tabs, for power users who just want to see two or more things at once it's pretty dope.
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CITYOFHEROES
is INTEL CORE I9-9900K going to drop in price? then the follow up question if yes How much price drop we are looking at? or be a stinker and drop the price by 1% and call it a price drop discount. we all know INTEL is GREEEEEEEEEDY. I hope AMD dose a RYZEN 4th GEN CPU and make a graphic card that is 50% stronger then NVIDIA RTX 2080Ti and then 50% cheaper then NVIDIA RTX 2080Ti. and I am not holding my breath that INTEL GPU that is coming up in the future is going to being in a EARTH SHADDER SHOCK WAVE
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is INTEL CORE I9-9900K going to drop in price? then the follow up question if yes How much price drop we are looking at? or be a stinker and drop the price by 1% and call it a price drop discount. we all know INTEL is GREEEEEEEEEDY. I hope AMD dose a RYZEN 4th GEN CPU and make a graphic card that is 50% stronger then NVIDIA RTX 2080Ti and then 50% cheaper then NVIDIA RTX 2080Ti. and I am not holding my breath that INTEL GPU that is coming up in the future is going to being in a EARTH SHADDER SHOCK WAVE
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Soviet
GamersNexus even though its not really hardware news I'd be interested to hear what the effects of China isolating the cities with coronavirus will be on manufacturing. Though production might've been planned to ramp down during the Chinese new year. I'd shy away from press releases and annoucements by Chinese authorities and stick with scientific articles found through ProMedMail or releases by Imperial College of London who is doing forecasting on this.
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GamersNexus even though its not really hardware news I'd be interested to hear what the effects of China isolating the cities with coronavirus will be on manufacturing. Though production might've been planned to ramp down during the Chinese new year. I'd shy away from press releases and annoucements by Chinese authorities and stick with scientific articles found through ProMedMail or releases by Imperial College of London who is doing forecasting on this.
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