Even More NVIDIA GPU Variations: RTX LHR GPUs Reduce Mining Rates
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Date: 2021-05-19
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turbo5546
I find myself indifferent about this because this is only targeting the large mining operations. It was stated before that when the crypto market burst last time the market was flooded with lower cost used cards which killed Nvidia's sale of new cards. They act like this is a good thing for us but its not because it hurts us two ways. First, there suddenly won't be a market for all those used card because it won't be possible anymore because they have been turned into mining cards with no display outputs killing any form of resale value and making them useless for gamers. Second, it removes the choice of using the card we bought the way we want, maybe a gamer wants to mine crypto when they aren't gaming to help pay for their gpu or maybe for buying new games. The only one benefiting from this is Nvidia and they are making it seem like they are doing gamer's a favor.
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I find myself indifferent about this because this is only targeting the large mining operations. It was stated before that when the crypto market burst last time the market was flooded with lower cost used cards which killed Nvidia's sale of new cards. They act like this is a good thing for us but its not because it hurts us two ways. First, there suddenly won't be a market for all those used card because it won't be possible anymore because they have been turned into mining cards with no display outputs killing any form of resale value and making them useless for gamers. Second, it removes the choice of using the card we bought the way we want, maybe a gamer wants to mine crypto when they aren't gaming to help pay for their gpu or maybe for buying new games. The only one benefiting from this is Nvidia and they are making it seem like they are doing gamer's a favor.
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Skele-Ton
Good. Drop the hash rate to zero for all I care. Not only can gamers not get the hardware they need, developers can't buy hardware we need to test and develop games on. Since I'm not targeting my games for hardware that came out in 2010, I need access to modern cards. If this helps even a little bit, I'm all for it. The fact that our entire industry is being hamstrung by people who buy up dozens of cards for one household so they can blow through ungodly amounts electricity to play The Cookie Clicker Stock Market is ridiculous.
Right now I'm stuck testing my in-development games on a 1660 Ti, which is fine but I'm trying to develop modern VR and ray tracing titles, so for the latter I've had to completely shelf things and for the former I've been struggling to push the requisite pixels and reaching 120 FPS for VR.
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Good. Drop the hash rate to zero for all I care. Not only can gamers not get the hardware they need, developers can't buy hardware we need to test and develop games on. Since I'm not targeting my games for hardware that came out in 2010, I need access to modern cards. If this helps even a little bit, I'm all for it. The fact that our entire industry is being hamstrung by people who buy up dozens of cards for one household so they can blow through ungodly amounts electricity to play The Cookie Clicker Stock Market is ridiculous.
Right now I'm stuck testing my in-development games on a 1660 Ti, which is fine but I'm trying to develop modern VR and ray tracing titles, so for the latter I've had to completely shelf things and for the former I've been struggling to push the requisite pixels and reaching 120 FPS for VR.
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Zeta
I say this as a cryptopminer myself, i don't think the LHR thing matters that much, all the mining craze is fueled by ethereum which is going to go to proof of stake anyway, when that happens, the used market will get overflown with used gpus from the panic of novice miners, most serious miners will just switch to another crypto, know that ethereum is far from being the only profitable crypto to mine, in fact, i am myself not mining eth.
To be honest what i think Nvidia should have done, is put a temporary lock on ethereum mining, so gpus gain their value again when it goes to proof of stake.
Would also avoid the Nvidia saying it's unhackable bs, since the lock would go away by itself over time
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I say this as a cryptopminer myself, i don't think the LHR thing matters that much, all the mining craze is fueled by ethereum which is going to go to proof of stake anyway, when that happens, the used market will get overflown with used gpus from the panic of novice miners, most serious miners will just switch to another crypto, know that ethereum is far from being the only profitable crypto to mine, in fact, i am myself not mining eth.
To be honest what i think Nvidia should have done, is put a temporary lock on ethereum mining, so gpus gain their value again when it goes to proof of stake.
Would also avoid the Nvidia saying it's unhackable bs, since the lock would go away by itself over time
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Olan
I am not in favor of this change unless they continue to offer non LHR versions at current list price while also offering LHR versions at a new lower list price. I don't mine but I also don't like artificially limiting an inherent ability of a product I purchase. Getting cards into the hands of gamers is simply marketing spin for monetizing a specific use case. On the other hand, I am an unabashed believer in capitalism so it makes sense for Nvidia to try to capitalize on new revenue streams. Which is also why I have no problem with scalpers while not liking personally what it does to prices. An item or service is worth what someone else will pay for it end of story. Price gouging is a made up term.
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I am not in favor of this change unless they continue to offer non LHR versions at current list price while also offering LHR versions at a new lower list price. I don't mine but I also don't like artificially limiting an inherent ability of a product I purchase. Getting cards into the hands of gamers is simply marketing spin for monetizing a specific use case. On the other hand, I am an unabashed believer in capitalism so it makes sense for Nvidia to try to capitalize on new revenue streams. Which is also why I have no problem with scalpers while not liking personally what it does to prices. An item or service is worth what someone else will pay for it end of story. Price gouging is a made up term.
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Master
They re creating a product with limited features over their own standard models and charging the same price. These cards will most likely have lower resale value for anyone that s purchasing them regardless of their use case. It s creating more market segments for nVidia to squeeze extra money out of by selling seperate lines of cards that don t have resale value for the other market. It should be frowned upon the same way as Tesla removing features from the cars through software. Honestly, it would be better for both market segments if nVidia charged a subscription rather than creating seperate lines of products designed to become e-waste.
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They re creating a product with limited features over their own standard models and charging the same price. These cards will most likely have lower resale value for anyone that s purchasing them regardless of their use case. It s creating more market segments for nVidia to squeeze extra money out of by selling seperate lines of cards that don t have resale value for the other market. It should be frowned upon the same way as Tesla removing features from the cars through software. Honestly, it would be better for both market segments if nVidia charged a subscription rather than creating seperate lines of products designed to become e-waste.
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Devin
I'm so conflicted about how I feel about this move. I don't like artificially limiting products, but I know sometimes it's so that they can segment the market to provide just what you need for less (like Tesla's rear heated seats, autopilot, and performance boost).
I guess it comes down to if it's clear before purchasing. If the boxes are clearly labelled as Low Hash Rate and are clearly cheaper than the 'full hash' version then it is just a consumer choice to choose the cheaper one. At that point it's a lot like Quadro cards, just much more potentially confusing.
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I'm so conflicted about how I feel about this move. I don't like artificially limiting products, but I know sometimes it's so that they can segment the market to provide just what you need for less (like Tesla's rear heated seats, autopilot, and performance boost).
I guess it comes down to if it's clear before purchasing. If the boxes are clearly labelled as Low Hash Rate and are clearly cheaper than the 'full hash' version then it is just a consumer choice to choose the cheaper one. At that point it's a lot like Quadro cards, just much more potentially confusing.
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alex
I personally don't care about the hash rate as long as it doesn't change the performance. I bought a used 8gb rx580 when I built my pc a few years ago and it isn't doing so great. It overheated and caused some artifacts due to both a bad case design and its age. I was able to remove the artifacts but the performance definitely took a hit, pretty sure it cooked the vrms. I would sure like an upgrade as I feel like I'm just counting the days until it quits all together. I would also prefer to avoid amd this time around.
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I personally don't care about the hash rate as long as it doesn't change the performance. I bought a used 8gb rx580 when I built my pc a few years ago and it isn't doing so great. It overheated and caused some artifacts due to both a bad case design and its age. I was able to remove the artifacts but the performance definitely took a hit, pretty sure it cooked the vrms. I would sure like an upgrade as I feel like I'm just counting the days until it quits all together. I would also prefer to avoid amd this time around.
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AJ
I think this is ridiculous, It will not help supply as the AIB sell directly to mining operations by the container, the consumer miners are a fraction of the volume. Rather address the scalpers and the AIB chain. If i want a decent card but I only do occasional gaming and 3d design, I want to mine with my card when it is not in use to offset the insane price the cards go for. This is punishing the consumer and a cash grab for nvidia. This will also push many to AMD (if they do not follow suit).
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I think this is ridiculous, It will not help supply as the AIB sell directly to mining operations by the container, the consumer miners are a fraction of the volume. Rather address the scalpers and the AIB chain. If i want a decent card but I only do occasional gaming and 3d design, I want to mine with my card when it is not in use to offset the insane price the cards go for. This is punishing the consumer and a cash grab for nvidia. This will also push many to AMD (if they do not follow suit).
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Maou
I think it hurts gamers short term, like i paid double for my 3080 a few months ago and ive pretty much made half of it back by mining so im fone with what i paid but like what you said it will create an even greater shortage because miners will pay even more now for non lhr versions and that will have a carry over effect to the lhr versions. But in the long term when the market stabilizes we will look back at this and see that it was a great move by nvidia.
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I think it hurts gamers short term, like i paid double for my 3080 a few months ago and ive pretty much made half of it back by mining so im fone with what i paid but like what you said it will create an even greater shortage because miners will pay even more now for non lhr versions and that will have a carry over effect to the lhr versions. But in the long term when the market stabilizes we will look back at this and see that it was a great move by nvidia.
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Fletch
Light hash rate GPUs lololol. It s scary no matter what side you re on, gamer or miner. Blocking work loads by a company has crossed the line. It could easily be blocking certain games for being too violent or whatever. It reduces resale for everyone gamers and miners, unless you just assume only gamers buy used cards. I don t want to game with a card with any sort of nerf built into it.
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Light hash rate GPUs lololol. It s scary no matter what side you re on, gamer or miner. Blocking work loads by a company has crossed the line. It could easily be blocking certain games for being too violent or whatever. It reduces resale for everyone gamers and miners, unless you just assume only gamers buy used cards. I don t want to game with a card with any sort of nerf built into it.
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