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Top 10 Things That Make No Sense About Wicked to The Wizard of Oz Fans

Top 10 Things That Make No Sense About Wicked to The Wizard of Oz Fans

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Dive into the magical world of Oz as we unravel the most perplexing inconsistencies between Wicked and The Wizard of Oz! From winged monkey mysteries to shoe-related plot holes, we're breaking down the moments that'll make fans scratch their heads. Our countdown explores the bizarre connections between the musical and the classic film, questioning everything from Glinda's motivations to the true nature of those magical ruby slippers! Don't forget to play our Live Trivia games at 3pm EST for a chance to win cash! The faster you answer, the more points you get! : Have Your Idea Become A Video! Subscribe for more great content! MsMojo is a leading producer of reference online video content of Top 10 Lists, Origins, Biographies, Commentary and more on Pop Culture, Celebrity, Movies, Music, TV, Film, Video Games, Politics, News, Comics, Superheroes. Your trusted authority on ranking Pop Culture. #Wicked, #WizardOfOz, #Fantasy, #MovieMysteries, #Broadway, #PopCulture, #MovieAnalysis, #Musicals, #OzFans, #MovieTrivia, #StageToScreen
Date: 2024-12-19

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Most of these are theories While others are explained in either the books or the musical i just think these are fun to think about.
1: 07 thats not a flying monkey hes a guard who is technically a citizen of the winkie country. If you are refering to the actually monkey in the scene perhaps hes shrieking of confusion instead of joy.
Elphaba is an activist for Animal not animals. Meaning shes trying to save those animal who are able to talk and help gain the ability to talk again. In her eyes Toto doesn't have the ability to speak so she doesn't see the need to help him. Plus she is blinded by hatred and grief so she wouldnt be thinking about Toto as an animal worth saving.
It actually makes total sense that the Cowardly Lion is seemingly the only animal that we see talk in the land of oz. Considering that in Wicked animals are being forced into silence. And as for the Cowardly Lion whose name is Brr in the wicked books by the way he spent most of his life in the forest and hasnt had the misfortune of knowing this fact. So bringing him to the wizard doesn't seem like it would be putting him in danger. The wizard is a calculated man who probably saw the lion in New he could use him to his advantage. Or even figured that Dorothy and her friends would die trying to get the broom from The Witches Castle therefore wouldn't have to deal with the lion himself.
I figured that glinda told dorthy to see the wizard because at first she hadnt known that elphaba had enchanted them and didnt know what else to tell her or perhaps secretly she hoped dorothy really was a witch and wanted to see what this girl who fell from the sky just like oz himself could do.
In wicked the musical not the book the tinmans transformation is supposed to happen years before Dorothy came to oz though it isnt very clear considering how fast the story flows from the tinmans transformation to freeing the winged monkeys and to the the arival of Dorothy. I believed that Fiyerro who was murdered by the Wizards guards and alphabet saved his soul and his soul attached itself to a random scarecrow. Though in the book Fiyerro is not a scarecrow. Also in the book The Cowardly Lion doesn't remember much of his early childhood as a cub but he does remember a green face that frightened him.
Also it's good to remember that in the musical alphabet is supposed to turn wicked. And though we never see her interact with Dorothy in The Musical the song no good deed goes unpunished is basically her embracing the wicked label. Also one of the things I really loved about the musical is that in act when when you hear Elphaba laugh it's a pretty normal laugh. But I act too when her and Glenda start fighting she cackles like a witch. And that symbolizes that she has already started to believe that she's wicked because she's been told she's wicked for so long.
In my personal opinion I believe that Dorothy actually did go to Oz. However we're seeing the land of Oz from her perspective. And wicked is the story of the people who live there. I also think that when Glenda sent her back using Magic it made it seemed like a dream and Dorothy woke up believing I was.
An act to a wicked Glinda is spiteful because Elphaba seemingly took her man. Which is why she gave away Nessa's shoes. Also, Glinda is putting up a facade and has to pretend to be happy about Nessa Rose's death. However, when Dorothy leaves munchkinland, Glinda has a moment to say goodbye to Nessa.
Actually in Wicked towards the end of the musical chistery gives Elphaba a letter. And though you as the audience member can't see what is written on the paper you are told that Fiyerro is dead. However the note that is given to Elphaba on stage has something actually written on it that confirms his survival and apparently that the plan is going to work.
I imagine that glinda was thw one to give the shose the power to take Dorothy home and not the magic within the shoes themselves.

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It is important to note that the book The Wonderful Wizard of Oz does not closely match the movie based on it, The Wizard of Oz. In fact, the movie is more likely based on the 1902 musical than the original book.
If you look at the original story, a lot of the inconsistencies fall away.
1) Glinda is not the Good Witch of the North, but the Good Witch of the South. The crew didn't meet Glinda until after the Wicked Witch died and after the Wizard floated away. So, Glinda never sent Dorothy on a suicide mission; that was a totally different witch.
2) Dorothy didn't meet the Wicked Witch until after the Wizard sent her crew out to kill the Wicked Witch. Until Dorothy entered her kingdom, Dorothy was fully off the Wicked Witch's radar.
3) It's the golden cap the Wicked Witch wore that bound the Winged Monkeys to her and forced them to do her will. When Dorothy took the cap, the monkeys allowed her three times she can summon them. This is also why they hated her; she was using them as slaves.
4) The book never said it was a dream. It says that Dorothy arrived in Oz on a cyclone and left on a cyclone. Future books where she returned to Oz made this point very clear.
5) Ms. Gulch is not a part of the book and was never mentioned.
6) The Wicked Witch's motivations for her actions were always clear -- Dorotht tried to and did succeed in killing her. While the Wicked Witch was evil, it wasn't Chaotic Evil. It's more like Chaotic Neutral on the alignment chart.
Looking at the inspiration helps to make it clear that the movie was an interpretation, just like Wicked is.

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A lot of these questions are answered in both the original WICKED novels and the musical (though I know seeing the musical is not really viable option for many people, the explanations for the Animals and their speech or lack thereof and their differences to animals. Towards the end of WICKED Elphaba is more or less driven mad by everything that's happened to her (if you read the book or have seen the show it's more than understandable why. As for Glinda she gives a very simple explanation for her actions in the second half of the musical and that is that she is a public figure and being known as Glinda the Good she must maintain that image no matter what. As for the Tin Man, his fate is explained in the second act of the musical and his connection to Elphaba (yes like the Scarecrow he has a connection to Elphaba but not a romantic one. With the winged monkeys it's possible that not all of them were truly loyal to Elphaba, some may have still blamed her for the rather painful transformation so it makes sense one of them might be glad to be rid of her.
The trouble is if you haven't read the first novel of WICKED or seen the musical and have only watched the film then a lot of things won't add up. WICKED: For Good (they just released the name of Part 2: D) will answer a lot of questions. As for Dorothy and her fate you'd have to read the original novels as well as the other 3 WICKED novels to know what happened.
Spoiler alert:
WICKED the musical changes the ending and fates of a few characters (Elphaba, Fiyero) from the original WICKED novel

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Even in Oz Great and powerful the wicked witch of the East she had the flying monkeys so they were in slaved to do her bidding and turned Elphaba into the witch of the west by her sister increasing her jealousy plus she knew what the shoes can do after her sister fled to the east, and they are the last memory of her, that's why she wouldn't let them go grieving was a given reason. In this version of Oz (1939) that was one heavy concussion Dorothy had to dream all that up, in the film I don't think the witch of the north was worth mentioning yet Glinda was introduce in the same way so they made her more of a main character as Dorothy protector (I think) she cast a spell so the friends could talk on her journey to the emerald city and what they stood for knowledge, heart and courage to get home, just as Elphaba made the poppies more potent as they were on they way. However I do agree with somethings like how Dorothy believed Glinda to keep the shoes yet at the end of the movie she wouldn't believe her of the lesson she was trying to make to get home. But then again was a little girl she would have believed anything.
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basing from the thumbnail alone:
-original book series indicate everything was real, as later on Dorothy and her family move and permanently live in Oz
-the 1939 movie made it out Dorothy was an ill delulu because 'Murricans have such genetically White narrow minds
-Wicked series indicate everything was real, but everyone around Dorothy kept telling her she's delulu to the point she practically becomes a social pariah post-Oz to the point her adoptive family actually blame her delulu-ness for ruining her own marriage potential; she briefly returns to Oz via an earthquake (implied to be the 1906 Chicago earthquake)

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SPOILERS:
At least with the Scarecrow and Elphaba, there is some logic in that at first she really doesn't know that her spell to protect him worked or not so when she's following them along on the journey she literally doesn't know who the Scarecrow actually is (besides an annoying companion to Dorthey) and then at the end, the final thing was a set up between the two of them so I think that does check out.
And yes I KNOW Wizard of OZ and Wicked are not cannon to each other, I'm just saying that those plot points I think actually link up pretty nicely compared to some of the others.

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I saw on TT someone said The 1939 film is the propaganda that would be told by the masses and Wicked is the real story from who knew her best. And that’s how I’m gonna roll with it bc honestly if we look at history and how events are told by the victors/oppressors/colonizers (use whichever one applies best) versus how the true story eventually comes to light decades or even centuries later, it tracks. It’s never going to be completely perfect and without plot holes but that’s fine; that’s where nuance, media literacy and comprehension come into play for the viewers.
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And most of all - in Wicked they act like she's a big deal because of her green skin.
But all of her guards, all Winkie's we're sure, have green skin (slightly different shade, but still. So green skin can't be an abnormality in Oz.
Plus the munchkins in Wicked arent' nearly as small as the munchkins in wizard of oz.
So did Wicked advertise itself as being empowering to minorities by getting rid of all the other minorities (meaning making little people closer to average height and denying the existence of others with green skin)

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Think of _The Wizard of Oz_ as the propaganda version of the true story that is told in _Wicked. _
EDIT: I'm fully aware that this comment is turning heads. But this comment is merely my headcanon of the relation between _Wicked_ and _The Wizard of Oz. _ I have been a fan of Oz ever since I was eight, and I do know a lot of things about varying adaptations of L Frank Baum's works. This comment is just my silly thoughts put into words. If you think that I'm gonna bash one of my favorite pieces of literature/stage/film, guess again.

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With number 8, in the Wicked universe, there's a difference between animals and Animals, with animals being just normal animals like the ones in our world, and Animals being sapient, talking animals. Also, this isn't canon, but I theorise that Glinda sending Dorothy to the Wizard was a plan to get him out of Oz. Another headcanon of sorts that I have is that in the Wicked universe, everyone in Oz has an Earth counterpart, kind of like Equestria Girls, for example Hunk being Earth Fiyero and Hickory being Earth Boq.
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basing from the thumbnail alone:
-original book series indicate everything was real, as later on Dorothy and her family live in Oz
-the 1939 movie made it out Dorothy was a delulu because 'Murricans have such genetically White narrow minds
-Wicked series indicate everything was real, but everyone around Dorothy kept telling her she's delulu to the point they blame her ruining her own marriage potential; she briefly returns to Oz via an earthquake (implied to be the 1906 Chicago earthquake)

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I assumed that the Scarecrow and Elphaba worked it out so that she would set him on fire and that water would be dumped all over her to extinguish the fire, then they would fake her death because of the rumor of water being able to melt her. I’m more confused about the fact that he was named High King of Oz, but then ran off with Elphaba. What was his excuse for abdicating the thrown, and how long did he have to wait until he did abdicate to run off with her.
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4: 13 Why did Glinda send Dorothy to see the wizard Because maybe she’s not actually Glinda
The witch of the Northtrue identity isn’t fixed (at least 3x different names, but if we consider the latest film’s characters, she could very well be Madame Morrible.
It fits her manipulative naturesummoning the tornado to kill Nessa and then tricking Dorothy guiding her to a path that may end up killing Elphaba.

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there's no proof it was a dream. Just because her Aunt says something doesn't make it true. Her aunt isn't the boss of you. You could do this to literally any movie. At the end of Die Hard, someone could be like John, it was all a dream. You don't have to spend nearly 90 years being sad about it. It is whatever you want it to be. If you don't want it to be a dream, then it wasn't a dream. Move on.
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So I see the original Wizard of Oz movie as the WIZARD's PROPAGANDA, the wizard's version of how things happened full of lies and caracterisations. Madame Morrible was the Press Secretary and that was the version we grew up watching. Glinda couldn't correct them after he left because she promised Elphaba she wouldn't clear her name.
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MsMojo: you need to lighten up and pay attention to BOTH stories. There is only a tiny connection between them at the very end. Otherwise they are meant to be completely separate stories with NO real nod to The Wizard Of Oz. PLEASE stop trying to compare the 1939 film story to Wicked; they are different stories! : 0(
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As far as just the movie goes, I figured that Dorothy was a lucid dreamer and the shoes were her totem (like the top in Inception. When the dream was done to her satisfaction, she used the totem to wake up. Being the 30s, nobody knew what lucid dreaming was, hence the confusion by Dorothy and how it felt so real.
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There’s the book, the movie adaptation with all it’s changes, and then Wicked being fan fiction that’s mixing both and adding conflicting stories.
The witch of the East also wasn’t a biological sister to the witch of the west. She’s a sister in probably the same way guys are brothers in a sorority.

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Could it be in the 1939 movie, Dorothy may of temporarily died after getting hit by the flying window and had a out of body experience And came back and described how she was in a paradise state of mind mingled with not so nice places as well. It’s like taking a LSD trip without leaving the farm, lol.
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I like to think wicked might be the true story of elphaba and the wizard of oz movie is nothing but a propganda movie that lies about her
Similar to how twisted: story of a royal vizer is supoose to be the true story of jafar and aladdin wasn't in fact what actually happened

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