Top 10 Classic Musicals That Have Aged Especially Poorly
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Date: 2024-03-03
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jvanstyn
Get over yourself!
Just because these movies have some scenes or plot lines that would not work today it does not mean the whole movie needs to be trashed. Bye Bye Birdie had a ridiculous plot but wasn't Paul Lynde wonderful as an aggravated father His song What's the Matter with Kids still works today. And that movie had one of Dick Van Dyke's first big roles.
The King and I is fun to watch. Yes Siam in the 1800's had a very restricted culture especially for women or people from the wrong social class, but that does not mean watching it it is not an enjoyable experience. Anna singing Getting to Know You to all the kings children is touching.
I still enjoy watching My Fair Lady. Henry Higgins is something of a jerk by today's standards but not necessarily by the standards of the early 20th century when the story takes place. Judging situations from the past by standards of today is Pastism and that's wrong.
Can't you just enjoy the movies for for what they are, musical extravaganzas, and not pick aparat every little thing about them
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Get over yourself!
Just because these movies have some scenes or plot lines that would not work today it does not mean the whole movie needs to be trashed. Bye Bye Birdie had a ridiculous plot but wasn't Paul Lynde wonderful as an aggravated father His song What's the Matter with Kids still works today. And that movie had one of Dick Van Dyke's first big roles.
The King and I is fun to watch. Yes Siam in the 1800's had a very restricted culture especially for women or people from the wrong social class, but that does not mean watching it it is not an enjoyable experience. Anna singing Getting to Know You to all the kings children is touching.
I still enjoy watching My Fair Lady. Henry Higgins is something of a jerk by today's standards but not necessarily by the standards of the early 20th century when the story takes place. Judging situations from the past by standards of today is Pastism and that's wrong.
Can't you just enjoy the movies for for what they are, musical extravaganzas, and not pick aparat every little thing about them
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bobsanders9114
Besides 7 Brides for 7 Brothers, you missed How To Succeed in Business Without Really Trying. which really, really is deeply cringeworthy today. You also fail to mention to that My Fair Lady is based upon George Bernard Shaw, original play, Pygmalion. I suppose Shaw has aged poorly as well
Also has Ferenc Molnar's play Liliom, upon which Carousel is based, aged badly
The Music Man was ALWAYS creepy. It was then, it is now.
Number One should be Gigi. It's appalling by any standard - but, again, you fail to mention that it won 10 Oscars and was Best Picture of the Year, I think you're dipping a toe in the water here.
Not one of your better efforts. I think this video will age poorly.
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Besides 7 Brides for 7 Brothers, you missed How To Succeed in Business Without Really Trying. which really, really is deeply cringeworthy today. You also fail to mention to that My Fair Lady is based upon George Bernard Shaw, original play, Pygmalion. I suppose Shaw has aged poorly as well
Also has Ferenc Molnar's play Liliom, upon which Carousel is based, aged badly
The Music Man was ALWAYS creepy. It was then, it is now.
Number One should be Gigi. It's appalling by any standard - but, again, you fail to mention that it won 10 Oscars and was Best Picture of the Year, I think you're dipping a toe in the water here.
Not one of your better efforts. I think this video will age poorly.
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robinsixoh2
Let me preface my remarks by saying that I do not disagree with your top 10 but the scores for these musicals are absolutely gorgeous, and will remain evergreen. Now, the storylines and subjects themselves are absolutely dated, which happens. Guys & Dolls for example, terrific score, really outdated & implausible story. For me growing up as a kid in New York City, I think the cringiest story for me will always be Gigi. My mother explained to me exactly what a courtesan was by citing the Gabor sisters & their mother as examples. Gigi is the worst for me. I’ve never liked the depiction of developing a adolescent courtesan, although it was a reality for many & it’s always made me extremely uncomfortable.
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Let me preface my remarks by saying that I do not disagree with your top 10 but the scores for these musicals are absolutely gorgeous, and will remain evergreen. Now, the storylines and subjects themselves are absolutely dated, which happens. Guys & Dolls for example, terrific score, really outdated & implausible story. For me growing up as a kid in New York City, I think the cringiest story for me will always be Gigi. My mother explained to me exactly what a courtesan was by citing the Gabor sisters & their mother as examples. Gigi is the worst for me. I’ve never liked the depiction of developing a adolescent courtesan, although it was a reality for many & it’s always made me extremely uncomfortable.
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toddsimpson9164
With THE MUSIC MAN, it's all about context. Professor Harold Hill is a con-man, and con-men do not go by social norms. So, he fell for Marion the Librarian, and stalked her at the library. But, I think Gigi should have been #1, because it was about a man pursuing a teenager. If it was a 20-something woman vs a 40-something man, nothing wrong with that. Thank Heaven For Little Girls is cringy if you think about it too much, but it could be a grandfather thinking wistfully about his daughters and granddaughters.
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With THE MUSIC MAN, it's all about context. Professor Harold Hill is a con-man, and con-men do not go by social norms. So, he fell for Marion the Librarian, and stalked her at the library. But, I think Gigi should have been #1, because it was about a man pursuing a teenager. If it was a 20-something woman vs a 40-something man, nothing wrong with that. Thank Heaven For Little Girls is cringy if you think about it too much, but it could be a grandfather thinking wistfully about his daughters and granddaughters.
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11cabadger
There's a big difference between the Isms in Annie Get Your Gun and the Ism in South Pacific. For one thing, the characters in South Pacific are far more complex as is the music & lyrics. Also, as many commenters have pointed out, the characters all move past their initial prejudices, which doesn't seem to be the case in today's so-called Woke/MAGA society. But then You Have to Be Carefully Taught.
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There's a big difference between the Isms in Annie Get Your Gun and the Ism in South Pacific. For one thing, the characters in South Pacific are far more complex as is the music & lyrics. Also, as many commenters have pointed out, the characters all move past their initial prejudices, which doesn't seem to be the case in today's so-called Woke/MAGA society. But then You Have to Be Carefully Taught.
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msmojo
It's possible to acknowledge their flaws from time and enjoy them. Carousel is one I cant stand, but the others I enjoy a lot. Things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, and it's okay to discuss how some elements of these shows/movies reflected and perhaps perpetuated views that that should have been seen as wrong then, that we thankfully know better about now.
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It's possible to acknowledge their flaws from time and enjoy them. Carousel is one I cant stand, but the others I enjoy a lot. Things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, and it's okay to discuss how some elements of these shows/movies reflected and perhaps perpetuated views that that should have been seen as wrong then, that we thankfully know better about now.
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Cathy-xi8cb
NONE of these movies were shocking in their time. People really did think and act that way. Women DID allow themselves to be harmed and demeaned. They picked men who weren't fine upstanding guys who respected them, and stayed. The alternatives weren't great either when they couldn't pay the bills without a man and were openly pitied without a guy.
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NONE of these movies were shocking in their time. People really did think and act that way. Women DID allow themselves to be harmed and demeaned. They picked men who weren't fine upstanding guys who respected them, and stayed. The alternatives weren't great either when they couldn't pay the bills without a man and were openly pitied without a guy.
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msmojo
Keep putting down classics
with lovely songs. well chireographed dances why Kissv Me Kate l got museed out. others which also missed
This list; Little Orphan Annie
Paint your Wagon Little Prince ( whiivh has Gene Wilder as loveable FOX and BOB FOSSE As Snake in the Grass )
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Keep putting down classics
with lovely songs. well chireographed dances why Kissv Me Kate l got museed out. others which also missed
This list; Little Orphan Annie
Paint your Wagon Little Prince ( whiivh has Gene Wilder as loveable FOX and BOB FOSSE As Snake in the Grass )
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msmojo
I love the music man for its songs, but even as a kid the first time I saw it, I wondered why Marian fell for him. She had straight up proof he was a con artist. She even had a witness who flat out told her that Hill always bails after he makes his sales and yet she defended him because he was nice to her brother.
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I love the music man for its songs, but even as a kid the first time I saw it, I wondered why Marian fell for him. She had straight up proof he was a con artist. She even had a witness who flat out told her that Hill always bails after he makes his sales and yet she defended him because he was nice to her brother.
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msmojo
Never seen South Pacific, but like how do you let a person into your life who has been racist against your children I mean. .. I'm so glad character development kicked in and she saw the error of her ways and hope she continued along that path, but I still wouldn't let her near my non white children.
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Never seen South Pacific, but like how do you let a person into your life who has been racist against your children I mean. .. I'm so glad character development kicked in and she saw the error of her ways and hope she continued along that path, but I still wouldn't let her near my non white children.
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scottmiller6495
I dont care what todays ignorant and young people think, stop this white privileged nonsense! These shows were fantastic and the talented people were Superb! This type of entertainment needs to come back! Stop this racist and Woke crap, im sick of it!
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I dont care what todays ignorant and young people think, stop this white privileged nonsense! These shows were fantastic and the talented people were Superb! This type of entertainment needs to come back! Stop this racist and Woke crap, im sick of it!
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smoothALOE
I don’t like the implication you all are making about South Pacific. Are you saying we can’t forgive people for their wrong attitudes, especially if they redeem and change themselves for the better, later It looks to me like that’s what happens.
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I don’t like the implication you all are making about South Pacific. Are you saying we can’t forgive people for their wrong attitudes, especially if they redeem and change themselves for the better, later It looks to me like that’s what happens.
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hughmills442
I disagree vehemently! These are all my favorites. They need to be accepted and understood in the time frame depicted of in which the show was written. I usually agree with your lists but this one left me angry. These are classics.
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I disagree vehemently! These are all my favorites. They need to be accepted and understood in the time frame depicted of in which the show was written. I usually agree with your lists but this one left me angry. These are classics.
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trinaq
I agree, there's no way that a protagonist who's a domestic abuser would be treated sympathetically, or easily redeemed, in today's world. He'd be made more complex, and actually have to atone for his toxic actions.
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I agree, there's no way that a protagonist who's a domestic abuser would be treated sympathetically, or easily redeemed, in today's world. He'd be made more complex, and actually have to atone for his toxic actions.
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LaLayla99
While I agree that rhe plots can be/are problematic, the scores are simply gorgeous and will live on forever. One can also say that Oliver! has problems regarding the abusive relationship between Nancy and Bill.
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While I agree that rhe plots can be/are problematic, the scores are simply gorgeous and will live on forever. One can also say that Oliver! has problems regarding the abusive relationship between Nancy and Bill.
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kristenrock7783
I was in bye bye birdie in summer camp back in either the summer of, 2003 -2004 and even then, we had to change the script around cuz it's a bit problematic. Hower the songs are fun I have to admit.
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I was in bye bye birdie in summer camp back in either the summer of, 2003 -2004 and even then, we had to change the script around cuz it's a bit problematic. Hower the songs are fun I have to admit.
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conniekoedyker8490
7 Brides for 7 Brothers was one of my favorites when I was a kid. I watched it again recently and just kept thinking 'Oh no! through the whole thing. I was expecting it to be on this list.
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7 Brides for 7 Brothers was one of my favorites when I was a kid. I watched it again recently and just kept thinking 'Oh no! through the whole thing. I was expecting it to be on this list.
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williamcrowe2576
Even if you were to change the setting to an accounting firm and make all the characters salary men, I'm afraid Gilbert and Sullivan's The Mikado would still have aged poorly.
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Even if you were to change the setting to an accounting firm and make all the characters salary men, I'm afraid Gilbert and Sullivan's The Mikado would still have aged poorly.
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aaronmartin7086
Favorite musicians:
The rocky horror picture show
Little shop of horrors
Cannibal: the musical
Phantom of the paradise
Sweeney todd
Repo the genetic opera
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Favorite musicians:
The rocky horror picture show
Little shop of horrors
Cannibal: the musical
Phantom of the paradise
Sweeney todd
Repo the genetic opera
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