Another 11 Historical Misconceptions.
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Another thing is that we Indians do not say that indo Aryans did not come to India we just don't agree with the fact that the British claim that indo Aryans(aka our ancestors) killed the native population who could just have been gone before they even arrived. The theory of aryans killing the Indus valley civilization is the one which we don't believe in.
Edit: i searched Whatifalthist debunked and there is stuff out there i may not be right but you are not as well
Date: 2022-07-15
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Tielhard
One of my favourite internet pass-times is watching American apologists bleat, lie and whine that they never lost the American occupation of Vietnam. To paraphrase a great American patriot 'I had a brother at Khe Sahn, went to fight the Viet Cong, they're still there but he's long gone' or if you prefer something from a neutral perspective we have Cleese in A Fish Called Wanda 'They kicked your little ass there boy. They whupped your hide REAL GOOD! '. Any one who saw Pilger's reports of the liberation of Ho Chi Minh City or the TV film of USA advisors and collaborators fighting for place on the last American helicopters out as United States Marines beat them off with rifle butts could ever doubt that America was utterly defeated by the Vietnamese.
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One of my favourite internet pass-times is watching American apologists bleat, lie and whine that they never lost the American occupation of Vietnam. To paraphrase a great American patriot 'I had a brother at Khe Sahn, went to fight the Viet Cong, they're still there but he's long gone' or if you prefer something from a neutral perspective we have Cleese in A Fish Called Wanda 'They kicked your little ass there boy. They whupped your hide REAL GOOD! '. Any one who saw Pilger's reports of the liberation of Ho Chi Minh City or the TV film of USA advisors and collaborators fighting for place on the last American helicopters out as United States Marines beat them off with rifle butts could ever doubt that America was utterly defeated by the Vietnamese.
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Abd
The Arabs operated the largest ever slave trade
Holy carp you Europeans can lie!
I mean wow!
You had the worst ever version of slavery in human history AND the largest one by scale, but you still claim the Arabs did more?
Were are all the Black societies in the Muslims world?
Any dark skinned people here are just people. There's literally no difference other than skin color.
They aren't oppressed today and yet they never speak about some dark past!
Why?
1- They're not that abundant.
2- The slaves weren't treated horribly (the definition of slave is completely different here btw.
3- Not all of them came by slavery, a lot came by migration due to geographic proximity.
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The Arabs operated the largest ever slave trade
Holy carp you Europeans can lie!
I mean wow!
You had the worst ever version of slavery in human history AND the largest one by scale, but you still claim the Arabs did more?
Were are all the Black societies in the Muslims world?
Any dark skinned people here are just people. There's literally no difference other than skin color.
They aren't oppressed today and yet they never speak about some dark past!
Why?
1- They're not that abundant.
2- The slaves weren't treated horribly (the definition of slave is completely different here btw.
3- Not all of them came by slavery, a lot came by migration due to geographic proximity.
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hobsdigree2
My take away is something I've kinda always believed. Don't judge an entire group of people by the actions of a few. There are great cultures from all across the globe at different times in history, but if you look or dig, you can find terrible ideas and horrible atrocities too. Those terrible ideas and atrocities should be remembered and learned from, but it shouldn't be the only focus or over shadow other good things that those cultures have done. To be clear, because I know there are people who will say I'm saying that we over look atrocities unless I add this statement; we should NOT overlook the bad parts of history, but we should also not let them over shadow the good parts.
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My take away is something I've kinda always believed. Don't judge an entire group of people by the actions of a few. There are great cultures from all across the globe at different times in history, but if you look or dig, you can find terrible ideas and horrible atrocities too. Those terrible ideas and atrocities should be remembered and learned from, but it shouldn't be the only focus or over shadow other good things that those cultures have done. To be clear, because I know there are people who will say I'm saying that we over look atrocities unless I add this statement; we should NOT overlook the bad parts of history, but we should also not let them over shadow the good parts.
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Chris2theJ
On Vietnam, a treaty was signed that allowed both North and South to remain split and end the war (see KW armistice, SV was promised by Nixon Admin 1-for-1 resources (loss a tank, gain a tank. basically) as part of the treaty. Gets signed in 1973 ahead of election season, then Watergate and Nixon resignation by the end of '74. Congress is swept by Democrat opposition due to Nixon Admin corruption. come late '74 into '74 NV invades South, breaking treaty. Ford asks Congress to approve sending of military resources as per treaty agreement, they say no. Then SV slowly falls to VietCon & Northern forces, US pullout continued from 73 peace accords.
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On Vietnam, a treaty was signed that allowed both North and South to remain split and end the war (see KW armistice, SV was promised by Nixon Admin 1-for-1 resources (loss a tank, gain a tank. basically) as part of the treaty. Gets signed in 1973 ahead of election season, then Watergate and Nixon resignation by the end of '74. Congress is swept by Democrat opposition due to Nixon Admin corruption. come late '74 into '74 NV invades South, breaking treaty. Ford asks Congress to approve sending of military resources as per treaty agreement, they say no. Then SV slowly falls to VietCon & Northern forces, US pullout continued from 73 peace accords.
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Kevin
4: 57 I disagree that nations are solely ethnic and not political. for one thing, you forgot the third thing which is religious, and arguably language could be called a fourth, but really they can be any of those things or any combination of them and there can be a nation within a larger nation. There is definitely an American nation, which is mostly political although also arguably linguistic to an extent, but you could also identify nations within America. I would say Alaskans and Hawaiians could easily be considered nations, as well as Texas and New England, and you could easily come up with more.
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4: 57 I disagree that nations are solely ethnic and not political. for one thing, you forgot the third thing which is religious, and arguably language could be called a fourth, but really they can be any of those things or any combination of them and there can be a nation within a larger nation. There is definitely an American nation, which is mostly political although also arguably linguistic to an extent, but you could also identify nations within America. I would say Alaskans and Hawaiians could easily be considered nations, as well as Texas and New England, and you could easily come up with more.
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Magnus
For the modern support of the Communists, I would not point in the direction that you have, but rather towards the people that lived in and were part of those regimes. In parks in China, you can find choirs of old people singing the praises of the Chairman, many of whom were once part of his Red Guard. The ideas that Mao spread to support himself have been permitted to continue unchallenged, though the official line from the Chinese government at the minute is that Mao was 70% right and 30% wrong.
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For the modern support of the Communists, I would not point in the direction that you have, but rather towards the people that lived in and were part of those regimes. In parks in China, you can find choirs of old people singing the praises of the Chairman, many of whom were once part of his Red Guard. The ideas that Mao spread to support himself have been permitted to continue unchallenged, though the official line from the Chinese government at the minute is that Mao was 70% right and 30% wrong.
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Ondej
I like you're trying to bring different view into history, but it's a bit obvious that you are either bit anarchist or gather followers no matter what.
I believe you have read and know about the history way more than me and I would like to actually learn from you, if you would not be so judgemental and aggressive. What's the point?
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I like you're trying to bring different view into history, but it's a bit obvious that you are either bit anarchist or gather followers no matter what.
I believe you have read and know about the history way more than me and I would like to actually learn from you, if you would not be so judgemental and aggressive. What's the point?
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Stephen
Peasants welfare correlated with climate. Mini-ice age was, not surprisingly, bad. Land clearances of people for sheep was bad. Black death was quite good for survivors because more land per survivor and fewer labourers for Lord's fields pushed up pay so they could become small landowner farmers in their own right
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Peasants welfare correlated with climate. Mini-ice age was, not surprisingly, bad. Land clearances of people for sheep was bad. Black death was quite good for survivors because more land per survivor and fewer labourers for Lord's fields pushed up pay so they could become small landowner farmers in their own right
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Moon
I hate the term Aryan invasion it makes it sound like armies were attacking. It was a mostly peaceful migration of a linguistic group. The Vedic societies were the ones that changed India for the most part instead of the Indo-Europeans I think. Even then those were far off descendants of a mix between them and India.
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I hate the term Aryan invasion it makes it sound like armies were attacking. It was a mostly peaceful migration of a linguistic group. The Vedic societies were the ones that changed India for the most part instead of the Indo-Europeans I think. Even then those were far off descendants of a mix between them and India.
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