The Meaning of Knowledge: Crash Course Philosophy #7
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Date: 2022-04-04
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Daniel
Is this right?
1) Assertion = A specific type of statement, one that you declare has a truth value.
2) Truth Value = A classification of a statement being one of these 3 things. True, False, Indeterminable.
Example: Plato is a man. You are making a statement (obviously) that declares a truth value of whether or not the subject (Plato) is a man.
3) Proposition = My understanding is that a proposition in the traditional sense is. A specific type of statement, one that you PROPOSE has a truth value. The difference being here that you don't necessarily believe it yourself but are being open and unbiased about what the truth value of a statement could potentially be. However, this video says that a proposition is the underlying content of what your assertion is. That makes me think it is like the subject of your assertion. Which is kind of confusing. Is a proposition in philosophy terminology different than in English terminology?
Example: You meet a man that you suspect could secretly be an alien. You propose to a friend that this man Socrates could be an alien. You are making a specific type of statement that has a truth value that Socrates could be an alien.
Assertion= Is
Proposition= Could be?
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Is this right?
1) Assertion = A specific type of statement, one that you declare has a truth value.
2) Truth Value = A classification of a statement being one of these 3 things. True, False, Indeterminable.
Example: Plato is a man. You are making a statement (obviously) that declares a truth value of whether or not the subject (Plato) is a man.
3) Proposition = My understanding is that a proposition in the traditional sense is. A specific type of statement, one that you PROPOSE has a truth value. The difference being here that you don't necessarily believe it yourself but are being open and unbiased about what the truth value of a statement could potentially be. However, this video says that a proposition is the underlying content of what your assertion is. That makes me think it is like the subject of your assertion. Which is kind of confusing. Is a proposition in philosophy terminology different than in English terminology?
Example: You meet a man that you suspect could secretly be an alien. You propose to a friend that this man Socrates could be an alien. You are making a specific type of statement that has a truth value that Socrates could be an alien.
Assertion= Is
Proposition= Could be?
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Forest
Would his belief really be justified? I don't think any belief can be completely, fully justified, except, maybe (and only maybe, -I think, therefore I am. - That means that true knowledge cannot exist, but I'm ok with accepting that. There can still be probable knowledge.
As for the coins in the pocket, he had probable knowledge that the person who would get the job would have 10 coins in his pocket. If he'd counted the coins in his pocket as well, and they were the only two applying for the job, he would have very probable knowledge. Still not complete knowledge because the boss could be lying about hiring anybody. Or there could be a third candidate the two didn't know about.
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Would his belief really be justified? I don't think any belief can be completely, fully justified, except, maybe (and only maybe, -I think, therefore I am. - That means that true knowledge cannot exist, but I'm ok with accepting that. There can still be probable knowledge.
As for the coins in the pocket, he had probable knowledge that the person who would get the job would have 10 coins in his pocket. If he'd counted the coins in his pocket as well, and they were the only two applying for the job, he would have very probable knowledge. Still not complete knowledge because the boss could be lying about hiring anybody. Or there could be a third candidate the two didn't know about.
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megyhugs
I think the saddest truth is that there is no right answer. Or should I say, an answer that is universally accepted as a true statement. At the end of the day no matter how articulate your argument is, or how much knowledge you possess, it will often be disregarded and misunderstood by a majority of people. Knowledge is not valued as much as belief is. Which is why the word of a pastor is often times prioritized over that of a scientist. In simplest terms, most people are ignorant. Someone who is ignorant will accept no other conclusion other than the one they formed themselves. Therefore, most people will not respect or acknowledge your own beliefs if it differs from their own.
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I think the saddest truth is that there is no right answer. Or should I say, an answer that is universally accepted as a true statement. At the end of the day no matter how articulate your argument is, or how much knowledge you possess, it will often be disregarded and misunderstood by a majority of people. Knowledge is not valued as much as belief is. Which is why the word of a pastor is often times prioritized over that of a scientist. In simplest terms, most people are ignorant. Someone who is ignorant will accept no other conclusion other than the one they formed themselves. Therefore, most people will not respect or acknowledge your own beliefs if it differs from their own.
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Jason
I suspect this is due to the abridged nature of this show, but I come out of this episode thoroughly unpersuaded by the Gettier cases presented here as an argument against justified true belief as a definition of knowledge. After all, the core of these cases is that the justification is valid but unsound due to false premises. Recursively requiring knowledge of the premises disqualifies these examples. However, we don't have a clear way of acquiring any knowledge at all now. I don't personally accept either definition of knowledge, but it was kind of surprising not to see the obvious objection addressed in this video. Perhaps it will be in the next?
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I suspect this is due to the abridged nature of this show, but I come out of this episode thoroughly unpersuaded by the Gettier cases presented here as an argument against justified true belief as a definition of knowledge. After all, the core of these cases is that the justification is valid but unsound due to false premises. Recursively requiring knowledge of the premises disqualifies these examples. However, we don't have a clear way of acquiring any knowledge at all now. I don't personally accept either definition of knowledge, but it was kind of surprising not to see the obvious objection addressed in this video. Perhaps it will be in the next?
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H.
What made you believe that the cat might pee on your desk? Because cats don't typically do that. Unless it was an educated guess because, say you knew the cat was incontinent? And if so, did it end up peeing on the carpet because it didn't get to spend enough time on the desk? To summarize, belief is the way my team and I go about answering the daily quiz. Our answers are combination of educated guesses, -pick a number between 1 and 4- and luck. Not that it stops some of us occasionally going -I knew it! - Did you? Did you really, Paul?
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What made you believe that the cat might pee on your desk? Because cats don't typically do that. Unless it was an educated guess because, say you knew the cat was incontinent? And if so, did it end up peeing on the carpet because it didn't get to spend enough time on the desk? To summarize, belief is the way my team and I go about answering the daily quiz. Our answers are combination of educated guesses, -pick a number between 1 and 4- and luck. Not that it stops some of us occasionally going -I knew it! - Did you? Did you really, Paul?
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Rural
I love studying philosophy on my own. I hate it when teachers tell me to go write a paper on a specific philosophical topic, I suddenly lose all interest in the subject because I'm no longer going at my own pace instead I have to try and cram a lot of new ideas just to get a good grade. I end up learning very little and I lose interest: /
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I love studying philosophy on my own. I hate it when teachers tell me to go write a paper on a specific philosophical topic, I suddenly lose all interest in the subject because I'm no longer going at my own pace instead I have to try and cram a lot of new ideas just to get a good grade. I end up learning very little and I lose interest: /
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Albert
Sameness -is not- equality. Plato stated this term about _true justified belief. _ But he were never able to justify the distinction between _same_ and _equal. _ Therefore this concept of 'truth' has to be arbitrary from the definition of _sameness_ and _equality. _
This is a very bad day for all the rationalists out there.
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Sameness -is not- equality. Plato stated this term about _true justified belief. _ But he were never able to justify the distinction between _same_ and _equal. _ Therefore this concept of 'truth' has to be arbitrary from the definition of _sameness_ and _equality. _
This is a very bad day for all the rationalists out there.
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Mitchell
First of all, this knowledge is poor formulated knowledge. And it has nothing to do with a piece of knowledge that we didn't have. If you are in the right mind we will have a right conclusion (nothing lacking to the thinker's mind(But then most of us are not completely in right mind)
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First of all, this knowledge is poor formulated knowledge. And it has nothing to do with a piece of knowledge that we didn't have. If you are in the right mind we will have a right conclusion (nothing lacking to the thinker's mind(But then most of us are not completely in right mind)
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Shojin
assertion: Has truth value (Truth, false, indeterminate)
proposition: Underlying meaning under assertion
propositional attitude of belief: eg You are saying what you believe
Types of justification
Testimony: taking someone's word
First person observation
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assertion: Has truth value (Truth, false, indeterminate)
proposition: Underlying meaning under assertion
propositional attitude of belief: eg You are saying what you believe
Types of justification
Testimony: taking someone's word
First person observation
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Samantha
I'm wearing headphones and during 8: 39 I believed that someone broke into my house. I freaked out and checked, and there was but he was already eating a sandwich on the couch.
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I'm wearing headphones and during 8: 39 I believed that someone broke into my house. I freaked out and checked, and there was but he was already eating a sandwich on the couch.
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