2019 Kia Forte - Is it the Stingers Mini-Me?
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Date: 2019-05-30
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Jeff S
All of those safety features should be standard on every vehicle. Just like seatbelts, abs, and airbags. The public should not be forced to pay extra to be safer. This tech has been around long enough to be on everything, as evidenced by a base Forte - tho you need to pay more to get blindspot, etc. It will actually not cost more to do this or therefore raise model prices (as Alex was surprised to note on this car. It actually costs more when everything is an option which creates thousands of possible build configurations. This goes with things Ive posted before. Everything on options lists for any vehicle should be standard. Most people want them, but only dont get them because of the added cost. This would lower overall production costs because everythings the same. Theres only one electrical wiring harness to make, theres only one stereo system, theres only one infotainment system and screen, theres only one hvac system, etc, etc. This makes for easier production and therefore lower costs. (Ex: it would cost more for a manufacturer to make 2 different screens, then stock those two in the assembly plant - like a Mercedes C class) Who hasnt said I like this one but wish it had the heated and ventilated seats. wish it had the this. wish it had the that. The only options should be inside and outside colors and trim, wheels, and engines. And then give us more color options. Maybe not to the extent that Bentley offers, but more than the basic blah.
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All of those safety features should be standard on every vehicle. Just like seatbelts, abs, and airbags. The public should not be forced to pay extra to be safer. This tech has been around long enough to be on everything, as evidenced by a base Forte - tho you need to pay more to get blindspot, etc. It will actually not cost more to do this or therefore raise model prices (as Alex was surprised to note on this car. It actually costs more when everything is an option which creates thousands of possible build configurations. This goes with things Ive posted before. Everything on options lists for any vehicle should be standard. Most people want them, but only dont get them because of the added cost. This would lower overall production costs because everythings the same. Theres only one electrical wiring harness to make, theres only one stereo system, theres only one infotainment system and screen, theres only one hvac system, etc, etc. This makes for easier production and therefore lower costs. (Ex: it would cost more for a manufacturer to make 2 different screens, then stock those two in the assembly plant - like a Mercedes C class) Who hasnt said I like this one but wish it had the heated and ventilated seats. wish it had the this. wish it had the that. The only options should be inside and outside colors and trim, wheels, and engines. And then give us more color options. Maybe not to the extent that Bentley offers, but more than the basic blah.
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Island Merchandise
Alex, big fan, some suggestions on your videos 1) comment on air conditioner. Noise and how cold. had a q7, terrible ac. 2. Headroom- long torso and long neck. Need 40 inches headroom. Some cars like a5 sportback looks like enough from specs, but went to dealer and didnt fit. Would help tremendously if there is some way to get real life headroom review. its so important to sit properly and have good air condition. A ruler or something? Just 2 seconds of video on it would be great. 3) noise. the decibel are always so close, is there a more precise measure? Seems like all cars are around 67-69dcb. Lastly, no need to spend so much time on car exterior. I mean, I can see it just fine. More on little things such as a shot of what the key looks like, or tire sizes and width. Lastly, live the more technical stuff, such as running the ac in a hybrid while parked, or how 4wd on certain brands work, or how air suspension works. Stuff that salespeople cant explain. Keep up the good work.
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Alex, big fan, some suggestions on your videos 1) comment on air conditioner. Noise and how cold. had a q7, terrible ac. 2. Headroom- long torso and long neck. Need 40 inches headroom. Some cars like a5 sportback looks like enough from specs, but went to dealer and didnt fit. Would help tremendously if there is some way to get real life headroom review. its so important to sit properly and have good air condition. A ruler or something? Just 2 seconds of video on it would be great. 3) noise. the decibel are always so close, is there a more precise measure? Seems like all cars are around 67-69dcb. Lastly, no need to spend so much time on car exterior. I mean, I can see it just fine. More on little things such as a shot of what the key looks like, or tire sizes and width. Lastly, live the more technical stuff, such as running the ac in a hybrid while parked, or how 4wd on certain brands work, or how air suspension works. Stuff that salespeople cant explain. Keep up the good work.
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Markus S
This body design deserves a sport version with turbo, independent rear suspension and DCT or 6-speed manual. It would be a waste not to offer that. I dont outright dislike the Civic, but it has that Hotwheels toy car look to it. Whereas this Forte looks very mature. I dont know about the US market, but in Canada the base model has 6-speed manual, 8 touchscreen, rear-view camera, heated seats, heating steering wheel, air conditioning and a whole lot more for about CAD 18k + sales tax. In order to get that in the previous model you had to go to the level # 3 car with automatic transmission which was 21, 500 (but you could negotiate down to an even 20K. No wonder Chrysler, Ford and GM are discontinuing some or all of their regular passenger cars. They cant compete with such an offering. Plus 5 year warranty vs. their 3 year warranty. I realize that this car is made in Mexico. But perhaps people would pay an extra 1k to have it made in USA or Canada. Who knows.
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This body design deserves a sport version with turbo, independent rear suspension and DCT or 6-speed manual. It would be a waste not to offer that. I dont outright dislike the Civic, but it has that Hotwheels toy car look to it. Whereas this Forte looks very mature. I dont know about the US market, but in Canada the base model has 6-speed manual, 8 touchscreen, rear-view camera, heated seats, heating steering wheel, air conditioning and a whole lot more for about CAD 18k + sales tax. In order to get that in the previous model you had to go to the level # 3 car with automatic transmission which was 21, 500 (but you could negotiate down to an even 20K. No wonder Chrysler, Ford and GM are discontinuing some or all of their regular passenger cars. They cant compete with such an offering. Plus 5 year warranty vs. their 3 year warranty. I realize that this car is made in Mexico. But perhaps people would pay an extra 1k to have it made in USA or Canada. Who knows.
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hunter1701d
I own a 2017 Elantra. They have a 2. 0 Atkinson cycle variant of the Nu engine. I would stay away. Mine, and according to many reports the dealer told me they get, is they make a loud ticking/tapping noise when cold. It sounds like a diesel. Dealer reported Hyundai said it was normal because the metal shrinks in cold weather. I have never ever had a car do this in cold weather and I have had my fair share of bombs. I bought it used so am only covered up to 60000 miles. I said to Hyundai ok if this is so normal cover my car to the full 10 year 100000 mile warranty. They just keep giving me the run around. I mean if there is no issue with the car it would not cost them anything to give the full powertrain warranty. I have no confidence in the longevity of this engine and unfortunately it looks like they are putting these in more models like the Kona. Also I think these engines are in the Kia Forte and other Kia models.
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I own a 2017 Elantra. They have a 2. 0 Atkinson cycle variant of the Nu engine. I would stay away. Mine, and according to many reports the dealer told me they get, is they make a loud ticking/tapping noise when cold. It sounds like a diesel. Dealer reported Hyundai said it was normal because the metal shrinks in cold weather. I have never ever had a car do this in cold weather and I have had my fair share of bombs. I bought it used so am only covered up to 60000 miles. I said to Hyundai ok if this is so normal cover my car to the full 10 year 100000 mile warranty. They just keep giving me the run around. I mean if there is no issue with the car it would not cost them anything to give the full powertrain warranty. I have no confidence in the longevity of this engine and unfortunately it looks like they are putting these in more models like the Kona. Also I think these engines are in the Kia Forte and other Kia models.
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Isaac Kamau
KIA is putting all upscale features even in their base model for no extra charge and now other so called luxury brands wont have anything extra to offer while demanding way more money. They even have radar and parking sensors on most trims without breaking the bank. Thats why American manufacturers like Ford, Chrysler and Chevy have no choice but to kill most of their sedan segment. Even Ford discontinued their sedan segment except for the Mustang which is a sports coupe and not a sedan. Gotta love Asians. Im waiting for Chevy and Ford fanboys to reply with their late 90s comments of cheap plastics and parts since they dont know that Japanese and Koreans now make high end cars even the Kia Stinger competes head to head with Porche, BMW & Mercedes sports sedans now.
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KIA is putting all upscale features even in their base model for no extra charge and now other so called luxury brands wont have anything extra to offer while demanding way more money. They even have radar and parking sensors on most trims without breaking the bank. Thats why American manufacturers like Ford, Chrysler and Chevy have no choice but to kill most of their sedan segment. Even Ford discontinued their sedan segment except for the Mustang which is a sports coupe and not a sedan. Gotta love Asians. Im waiting for Chevy and Ford fanboys to reply with their late 90s comments of cheap plastics and parts since they dont know that Japanese and Koreans now make high end cars even the Kia Stinger competes head to head with Porche, BMW & Mercedes sports sedans now.
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Christopher Calder
Alex, I am looking forward to your review of the 2019 Volkswagen Jetta, which has a low cost twist beam rear suspension like the Forte. I would like to know how the two vehicles compare in ride quality. I have yet to find a car without independent rear suspension that did not feel dead in the back, as if it were hauling a trailer. You can feel every bump, which I hate. I like the height of the Kia better than the Civic. Getting into the Civic is like squeezing into a telephone book. For looks, the Volkswagen Jetta is the winner hands down in my opinion, but Volkswagen reliability is still suspect in the minds of many consumers. The 2019 Hyundai Elantra looks very hard and ugly, in my opinion, but I look forward to your opinion on that vehicle as well.
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Alex, I am looking forward to your review of the 2019 Volkswagen Jetta, which has a low cost twist beam rear suspension like the Forte. I would like to know how the two vehicles compare in ride quality. I have yet to find a car without independent rear suspension that did not feel dead in the back, as if it were hauling a trailer. You can feel every bump, which I hate. I like the height of the Kia better than the Civic. Getting into the Civic is like squeezing into a telephone book. For looks, the Volkswagen Jetta is the winner hands down in my opinion, but Volkswagen reliability is still suspect in the minds of many consumers. The 2019 Hyundai Elantra looks very hard and ugly, in my opinion, but I look forward to your opinion on that vehicle as well.
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Stephen Hendricks
Like many others, Im no fan of CVTs. But I have to admit that manufacturers have made significant strides in engineering that technology in the six or seven years since I first drove a vehicle with a CVT. (A droning Nissan Murano) These days I suspect that the vast majority of car buyers neither notice (nor care) about the peculiarities of CVTs but they do notice the advantages in terms of fuel efficiency, especially when coupled with a small displacement turbo engine. Self-styled enthusiasts will still lament the disappearance of manual transmissions or (like me) opt for a DCT if an automatic is required, but the writing is on the wall; CVTs will continue to gain acceptance, especially as easy-to-drive daily drivers.
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Like many others, Im no fan of CVTs. But I have to admit that manufacturers have made significant strides in engineering that technology in the six or seven years since I first drove a vehicle with a CVT. (A droning Nissan Murano) These days I suspect that the vast majority of car buyers neither notice (nor care) about the peculiarities of CVTs but they do notice the advantages in terms of fuel efficiency, especially when coupled with a small displacement turbo engine. Self-styled enthusiasts will still lament the disappearance of manual transmissions or (like me) opt for a DCT if an automatic is required, but the writing is on the wall; CVTs will continue to gain acceptance, especially as easy-to-drive daily drivers.
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palebeachbum
My understanding is that this new Forte is based on the current Elantra and uses the same 2. 0L 4cyl engine. Whats interesting is this engine in the Elantra is paired to a 6-spd automatic and is rated 37mpg highway, while its rated 41mpg highway with the CVT in this new Forte. That shows how much CVTs really can improve fuel economy. This new Forte looks really, really good. I especially like the rear. If they offer it in a hatchback body style, Ill have to put it on my shopping list. Honda and Toyota, this is what an attractive compact looks like. Take note.
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My understanding is that this new Forte is based on the current Elantra and uses the same 2. 0L 4cyl engine. Whats interesting is this engine in the Elantra is paired to a 6-spd automatic and is rated 37mpg highway, while its rated 41mpg highway with the CVT in this new Forte. That shows how much CVTs really can improve fuel economy. This new Forte looks really, really good. I especially like the rear. If they offer it in a hatchback body style, Ill have to put it on my shopping list. Honda and Toyota, this is what an attractive compact looks like. Take note.
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Mogambo
I test drove this Stinger. Manager is a friend and he lend me a loaner to keep for a weekend. After a weekend I can tell you these 2 things. Most annoying thing is front seats are uncomfortable. It feels like you are sitting on a bench. After about 20 mins of time in the seat you start feeling your back and hips are being annoyed. And lastly anybody who sat in the back seat complained loud road noise. And those are big no for me. I was considering this for my friend who is looking to commute about 50km one way to work. But instead went with 2019 Civic LX.
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I test drove this Stinger. Manager is a friend and he lend me a loaner to keep for a weekend. After a weekend I can tell you these 2 things. Most annoying thing is front seats are uncomfortable. It feels like you are sitting on a bench. After about 20 mins of time in the seat you start feeling your back and hips are being annoyed. And lastly anybody who sat in the back seat complained loud road noise. And those are big no for me. I was considering this for my friend who is looking to commute about 50km one way to work. But instead went with 2019 Civic LX.
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Stephen Hendricks
KIA is clearly playing a long term game here. Manufacturers know that if they can capture first time purchasers those buyers are more likely to stick with the brand when they later trade up to more expensive vehicles. KIAs old strategy of offering cheap (both in terms of price and quality) alternatives has been replaced by offering vehicles that compete primarily in terms of more and better features at near equivalent MSRPs (with better discounts than Toyota and Honda dealers typically offer) Its clearly a successful strategy for them.
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KIA is clearly playing a long term game here. Manufacturers know that if they can capture first time purchasers those buyers are more likely to stick with the brand when they later trade up to more expensive vehicles. KIAs old strategy of offering cheap (both in terms of price and quality) alternatives has been replaced by offering vehicles that compete primarily in terms of more and better features at near equivalent MSRPs (with better discounts than Toyota and Honda dealers typically offer) Its clearly a successful strategy for them.
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