ROG Ally vs Steam Deck, Asus Drama, Intel Microcode & More The Full Nerd ep. 257
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Date: 2023-05-17
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Shane
GamersNexus shouldn't have any more credibility after what they've done. There is no reasonable way to interpret ASUS' communication in the way GN presented it. This should be a lesson in how people can often read things in whatever way suits their bias.
The warranty is meant to cover defects in manufacture or workmanship and conformance to specifications. GN was implying that the entire warranty becomes null when the beta BIOS is installed. It should now be clear that that was never true, but GN went ahead with their scumbag video even though they already had ASUS' clarification. It doesn't even make sense that a manufacturer would discourage testing a firmware fix when the alternative is an RMA which is going to cost them even more and further inconvenience the customer.
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GamersNexus shouldn't have any more credibility after what they've done. There is no reasonable way to interpret ASUS' communication in the way GN presented it. This should be a lesson in how people can often read things in whatever way suits their bias.
The warranty is meant to cover defects in manufacture or workmanship and conformance to specifications. GN was implying that the entire warranty becomes null when the beta BIOS is installed. It should now be clear that that was never true, but GN went ahead with their scumbag video even though they already had ASUS' clarification. It doesn't even make sense that a manufacturer would discourage testing a firmware fix when the alternative is an RMA which is going to cost them even more and further inconvenience the customer.
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Planet2A
As a person dealing with ASUS and the shitty customer service, they earn every shitty thing being said about them. They sent back my RMA ROG strix b650e-f missing a M2-3 heatsink cover, and with oily residue all over the board. Their response was we will TRY to find your heatsink cover and told me to clean the board to which I pointed out I don't work for ASUS they should have cleaned the board before sending it out and nothing about replacing the cover. I dont trust that they fixed the board so purchased a aorus x670 which I have had no issues with. Fighting with them to take this board back and give me a replacement because Im not ok with fluids being spilled all over boards.
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As a person dealing with ASUS and the shitty customer service, they earn every shitty thing being said about them. They sent back my RMA ROG strix b650e-f missing a M2-3 heatsink cover, and with oily residue all over the board. Their response was we will TRY to find your heatsink cover and told me to clean the board to which I pointed out I don't work for ASUS they should have cleaned the board before sending it out and nothing about replacing the cover. I dont trust that they fixed the board so purchased a aorus x670 which I have had no issues with. Fighting with them to take this board back and give me a replacement because Im not ok with fluids being spilled all over boards.
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Elliot
So the thing about the QVL ram. If you have the exact set listed and are running the quoted BIOS/UEFI or newer there no reason it shouldnt work if the ram is good. The key part is that last bit. Also do be aware some QVL's have say 3200 sets passed but only at 2933 or 2666. Meaning the set works but not at its full speed, gotta really read that chart!
Did they throw the ram into another system and see if it can run 3200 there? Also did it pass Memtest86? If not its probably the ram. I consider all ram bad until its been confirmed to be good.
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So the thing about the QVL ram. If you have the exact set listed and are running the quoted BIOS/UEFI or newer there no reason it shouldnt work if the ram is good. The key part is that last bit. Also do be aware some QVL's have say 3200 sets passed but only at 2933 or 2666. Meaning the set works but not at its full speed, gotta really read that chart!
Did they throw the ram into another system and see if it can run 3200 there? Also did it pass Memtest86? If not its probably the ram. I consider all ram bad until its been confirmed to be good.
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stereoman
I think comparing the steam deck to the asus rog ally is a little redundant at this time, first the rog ally hasn't even released yet, the steam deck has been out way longer and has a lot more development software wise, it would be better to compare the ally to the day1 release steam deck and not the current iteration with all the fixes and optimisations.
The fact that the ally is even being compared to the current steam deck shows how much potential it has, and they haven't even released official drivers for it yet.
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I think comparing the steam deck to the asus rog ally is a little redundant at this time, first the rog ally hasn't even released yet, the steam deck has been out way longer and has a lot more development software wise, it would be better to compare the ally to the day1 release steam deck and not the current iteration with all the fixes and optimisations.
The fact that the ally is even being compared to the current steam deck shows how much potential it has, and they haven't even released official drivers for it yet.
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Dan
Nein, Steve does not even hold himself accountable for running his whole story premises on a mis-intepretation of the SOC voltages. His readings are from socket sense, which is not indicative of how much SOC voltage the die gets, ie socket sense will have a higher voltage. Watch Asus explanation of Socket and Die Sense. See their X670E Hero page and scroll down to differential ic feature. Steve knows all of this, yet he has not edited in a disclaimer in his mean spirited rant.
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Nein, Steve does not even hold himself accountable for running his whole story premises on a mis-intepretation of the SOC voltages. His readings are from socket sense, which is not indicative of how much SOC voltage the die gets, ie socket sense will have a higher voltage. Watch Asus explanation of Socket and Die Sense. See their X670E Hero page and scroll down to differential ic feature. Steve knows all of this, yet he has not edited in a disclaimer in his mean spirited rant.
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Peter
The big problem with ASUS is that it is the so-manieth screwup in a few years time. 5700 XT (Hardware Unboxed), Intel motherboard (JayZTwoCents) and now ridiculously high voltages on AM5. I don't trust them, not only because of their hardware (5700 XT, incredibly hot memory) and BIOS-problems, more so because they repeatedly don't take responsibility, no decent RMA and all that.
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The big problem with ASUS is that it is the so-manieth screwup in a few years time. 5700 XT (Hardware Unboxed), Intel motherboard (JayZTwoCents) and now ridiculously high voltages on AM5. I don't trust them, not only because of their hardware (5700 XT, incredibly hot memory) and BIOS-problems, more so because they repeatedly don't take responsibility, no decent RMA and all that.
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blind
1:50:00 Agree with Gordon. silicon lottery but also some k sku's say 13600k or even 12600k on 660 / 760 will do 3200 or 3600 off a qvl dimm ddr4 kit whereas a 12400 13400 might not do 3200 or 3600 with same memory, so this is also nuanced with non Z chipset issue with non K sku's, this is certainly real on intel and known, cant speak to amd.
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1:50:00 Agree with Gordon. silicon lottery but also some k sku's say 13600k or even 12600k on 660 / 760 will do 3200 or 3600 off a qvl dimm ddr4 kit whereas a 12400 13400 might not do 3200 or 3600 with same memory, so this is also nuanced with non Z chipset issue with non K sku's, this is certainly real on intel and known, cant speak to amd.
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shaytal100
Adam: It runs windows, so you can do anything!
No you can not! MS can do anything, but not the user! You should say this about the steam deck not about a windows system!
I know you are saying this because you are not familiar with Linux, but that is your deficit and not the deficit of the steam deck!
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Adam: It runs windows, so you can do anything!
No you can not! MS can do anything, but not the user! You should say this about the steam deck not about a windows system!
I know you are saying this because you are not familiar with Linux, but that is your deficit and not the deficit of the steam deck!
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The
Steam OS allows you to install Heroic Launcher and then run Epic and GOG Games. Kinda disappointing none of you mentioned. And if MS even tries to make a portable version of Windows for a console, the performance will be a bloatware joke compared to anything running Linux.
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Steam OS allows you to install Heroic Launcher and then run Epic and GOG Games. Kinda disappointing none of you mentioned. And if MS even tries to make a portable version of Windows for a console, the performance will be a bloatware joke compared to anything running Linux.
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Rayquaza
That Moomins shirt makes me feel old (remember watching that show when I was little)
Anyhow as for the Asus drama, it's bad, but in a nutshell all motherboard brands messed up at least once with AMD, at this point I think AMD should get more strict with them.
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That Moomins shirt makes me feel old (remember watching that show when I was little)
Anyhow as for the Asus drama, it's bad, but in a nutshell all motherboard brands messed up at least once with AMD, at this point I think AMD should get more strict with them.
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Lead
I've had issues with battery drain during standby on my steam deck. I had to factory reset to fix it.
It seems like the Ally is prioritizing cpu power allocation over gpu when lowering the power limit. It also doesn't look like core parking is enabled.
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I've had issues with battery drain during standby on my steam deck. I had to factory reset to fix it.
It seems like the Ally is prioritizing cpu power allocation over gpu when lowering the power limit. It also doesn't look like core parking is enabled.
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Heath
Thankfully we have journalists like Steve at GN defending holding these companies accountable for what they do. Examples like New Egg shows that they are trying to fix their problem and then companies Asus just hide and dont respond.
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Thankfully we have journalists like Steve at GN defending holding these companies accountable for what they do. Examples like New Egg shows that they are trying to fix their problem and then companies Asus just hide and dont respond.
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Peter
If you want interesting content, put SteamOS on that ROG Ally and do comparative benchmarks. SteamOS might win (not sure but definitely possible). Reason: overhead Windows with small power-envelope.
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If you want interesting content, put SteamOS on that ROG Ally and do comparative benchmarks. SteamOS might win (not sure but definitely possible). Reason: overhead Windows with small power-envelope.
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Ian
Firmware updates can either be in Bios/UEFI or the OS can patch it at startup. Windows update will pick then up and apply them automatically like Linux does through the Firmware Update Daemon.
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Firmware updates can either be in Bios/UEFI or the OS can patch it at startup. Windows update will pick then up and apply them automatically like Linux does through the Firmware Update Daemon.
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