Did the Pinephone sprint ahead of the Librem 5? - Rob Braxman Tech
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Date: 2022-03-20
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Foz
I think the most important thing is to get devices into the hands of developers to get things developed and working, and unless I'm missing something, only PinePhone is in a position to do such a thing. Librem 5 is a nice ideal, but with an expensive entry barrier, it is essentially a closed group to the common open source developer, which makes the resolving of issues waaaay slower -_-
I really want both to succeed so I hope that the development work on the PinePhone will migrate across to the Librem 5, but drivers. Can only be done by the few. Which is then trending back binary blobs. Sure the source is available, but if there aren't many other eyes on it, it's almost as bad as binary blobs.
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I think the most important thing is to get devices into the hands of developers to get things developed and working, and unless I'm missing something, only PinePhone is in a position to do such a thing. Librem 5 is a nice ideal, but with an expensive entry barrier, it is essentially a closed group to the common open source developer, which makes the resolving of issues waaaay slower -_-
I really want both to succeed so I hope that the development work on the PinePhone will migrate across to the Librem 5, but drivers. Can only be done by the few. Which is then trending back binary blobs. Sure the source is available, but if there aren't many other eyes on it, it's almost as bad as binary blobs.
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Jeremiah
Rob, our goal is to make devices; phones, laptops, and servers that are completely under the control of the user. We think the best way to do that is to use Free Software. GNU/Linux meets our needs but we need to do more to make sure all our devices are unencumbered by proprietary software that cannot be audited. We replace software that the user cannot fully trust, like the BIOS, with Free Software versions like Coreboot. To provide users with complete control we-ve had to create devices from scratch. Our mission is fundamentally different from just creating a Linux phone.
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Rob, our goal is to make devices; phones, laptops, and servers that are completely under the control of the user. We think the best way to do that is to use Free Software. GNU/Linux meets our needs but we need to do more to make sure all our devices are unencumbered by proprietary software that cannot be audited. We replace software that the user cannot fully trust, like the BIOS, with Free Software versions like Coreboot. To provide users with complete control we-ve had to create devices from scratch. Our mission is fundamentally different from just creating a Linux phone.
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UFO
. it's crucial that we break the monopoly stranglehold that the social media tech giants have over our personal information, including the freedom to choose to maintain privacy and anonymity. In a world where we, the people, have become THE coveted commodity for those greed ridden technocrats of questionable scruples, these initiatives are like the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel. Why did no one think of this earlier? You're the braxMAN!
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. it's crucial that we break the monopoly stranglehold that the social media tech giants have over our personal information, including the freedom to choose to maintain privacy and anonymity. In a world where we, the people, have become THE coveted commodity for those greed ridden technocrats of questionable scruples, these initiatives are like the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel. Why did no one think of this earlier? You're the braxMAN!
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Tobias
Watching your video again after nearly one year, your assumptions were mostly true. At least most of the problems with the Librem 5 got fixed in some way. I hope we can see some direct comparisons in the next weeks/months and the biggest remaining issues with the Librem 5 improve (power usage and cameras. Would be neat to use a Linux phone as daily driver when it's usual to leave the house again.
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Watching your video again after nearly one year, your assumptions were mostly true. At least most of the problems with the Librem 5 got fixed in some way. I hope we can see some direct comparisons in the next weeks/months and the biggest remaining issues with the Librem 5 improve (power usage and cameras. Would be neat to use a Linux phone as daily driver when it's usual to leave the house again.
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Jeremiah
We at Purism have many more than a couple programmers. We have three working on the kernel alone, plus we have a several working on PureOS the software on the phone, and developers working on Mesa, calls, the keyboard, hardware design (we designed the phone ourselves, the Gnome based UI and many other parts besides. The investment in Free Software is significant from Purism-s side.
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We at Purism have many more than a couple programmers. We have three working on the kernel alone, plus we have a several working on PureOS the software on the phone, and developers working on Mesa, calls, the keyboard, hardware design (we designed the phone ourselves, the Gnome based UI and many other parts besides. The investment in Free Software is significant from Purism-s side.
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Mark
I ordered mine but I don't know how long before I get it. My old S10 will become my house phone and the Pine will become my carry one. I am a low user so the battery will last me all day. I am most curious to see if a Japanese language keyboard will come to fruition. Otherwise I will be stuck with Google Translate, copy & paste, etc. The new phone will have Lomiri.
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I ordered mine but I don't know how long before I get it. My old S10 will become my house phone and the Pine will become my carry one. I am a low user so the battery will last me all day. I am most curious to see if a Japanese language keyboard will come to fruition. Otherwise I will be stuck with Google Translate, copy & paste, etc. The new phone will have Lomiri.
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stealz
this should be aiming at being a collaboration, establishing linux as a phone os in as many phones as possible.
in order to achieve that and a userbase you need the apps. i really hope the apps are cross compatible or there even is a joined app market.
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this should be aiming at being a collaboration, establishing linux as a phone os in as many phones as possible.
in order to achieve that and a userbase you need the apps. i really hope the apps are cross compatible or there even is a joined app market.
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Arturo
This chart is shocking. so basically the Librem 5 is just a glorified ESP8266 with a 6-inch screen at this point. for $700? Not to dump on them, but they-re going to have to do better or it-s going to die a faster death than Windows Phone.
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This chart is shocking. so basically the Librem 5 is just a glorified ESP8266 with a 6-inch screen at this point. for $700? Not to dump on them, but they-re going to have to do better or it-s going to die a faster death than Windows Phone.
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WedgeStratos
my biggest positive with the Pinephone as I see it is the OS options. Hands down, I would want Sailfish OS. AFAIK, there's nothing out of the box right now to run other OSes on the Librem 5, it's just their PureOS at this time.
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my biggest positive with the Pinephone as I see it is the OS options. Hands down, I would want Sailfish OS. AFAIK, there's nothing out of the box right now to run other OSes on the Librem 5, it's just their PureOS at this time.
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William
Way more people are trying to get the pinephone up and going than with the other project and already a huge amount of development with that soc for ease of use options on full release its pine for the win and ease of budget.
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Way more people are trying to get the pinephone up and going than with the other project and already a huge amount of development with that soc for ease of use options on full release its pine for the win and ease of budget.
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