AMD Ryzen 7 2700 in 2020 Revisit: Benchmarks vs. 3700X, 3900X, 10600K, & More
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Date: 2020-06-25
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Hello, I was wondering if this could ever be looked into. The flight sim community lacks any real objective comparisons of Lockheed Martin's Prepared V5, as it finally introduces Direct X 12. Flight swimmers dont usually upgrade to a new sim but every 3 or 4 years, and in one instance had no choice for 8. Since then there has been a lot of debate over what CPU to get, where historically Intel's single core performance was king, where newer versions should be better optimized for multicore application. Since there is no replicable bench mark, a good place to start would be on the ground with AI aircraft off, at an airport like JFK, then with stock AI aircraft and vehicles turned max. Then a separate test flying from within the cockpit of a Cessna 172 from 2 set points at 10000ft. This isnt perfect, but would be the best representative data of what the hardware can do during the 2 longest phases of flight, ground, and cruise. As a cation the sim is rumored to preload preload scenarios on launch so setting up saved test scenarios to load from launch would be a good idea.
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Hello, I was wondering if this could ever be looked into. The flight sim community lacks any real objective comparisons of Lockheed Martin's Prepared V5, as it finally introduces Direct X 12. Flight swimmers dont usually upgrade to a new sim but every 3 or 4 years, and in one instance had no choice for 8. Since then there has been a lot of debate over what CPU to get, where historically Intel's single core performance was king, where newer versions should be better optimized for multicore application. Since there is no replicable bench mark, a good place to start would be on the ground with AI aircraft off, at an airport like JFK, then with stock AI aircraft and vehicles turned max. Then a separate test flying from within the cockpit of a Cessna 172 from 2 set points at 10000ft. This isnt perfect, but would be the best representative data of what the hardware can do during the 2 longest phases of flight, ground, and cruise. As a cation the sim is rumored to preload preload scenarios on launch so setting up saved test scenarios to load from launch would be a good idea.
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Manjushri
Kinda unrelated question, but am i crazy to pay attention to the difference between 1% and (prob more so) 0.1% lows with the 3600 and lower core count parts like the 3300X and 7700k? The averages may be a bit higher, like 5fps in Total War, but the 0.1% lowers are about 60fps while for the 3600 are 71fps, which that is noticeable in game to me. Other times with similar numbers but a bit more of a difference, or something like (hypothetically) 0.1% with the 4c8t parts at 60fps, but the 3600 manages above 75fps at around 78-82fps, with a lower average, those drops especially below 80fps are what i avoid. Heck, below 90-100fps is my goal in messing with settings. I know many with 144hz monitors kinda go for something similar even in RPGs and slower games because of how much smoother a 90-100hz or higher refresh looks. My question being 1: am i dumb/crazy/uniquie in this and 2: do these 1% and 0.1% lows translate to a more drastic drop for the 4c8t or a more consistent above said % low for the 3600 like i read it as? Thanks GN, you guys are killing it as usual!!! :)
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Kinda unrelated question, but am i crazy to pay attention to the difference between 1% and (prob more so) 0.1% lows with the 3600 and lower core count parts like the 3300X and 7700k? The averages may be a bit higher, like 5fps in Total War, but the 0.1% lowers are about 60fps while for the 3600 are 71fps, which that is noticeable in game to me. Other times with similar numbers but a bit more of a difference, or something like (hypothetically) 0.1% with the 4c8t parts at 60fps, but the 3600 manages above 75fps at around 78-82fps, with a lower average, those drops especially below 80fps are what i avoid. Heck, below 90-100fps is my goal in messing with settings. I know many with 144hz monitors kinda go for something similar even in RPGs and slower games because of how much smoother a 90-100hz or higher refresh looks. My question being 1: am i dumb/crazy/uniquie in this and 2: do these 1% and 0.1% lows translate to a more drastic drop for the 4c8t or a more consistent above said % low for the 3600 like i read it as? Thanks GN, you guys are killing it as usual!!! :)
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mapesdhs
3:15 - You mention the 2700 being 200, but where I am (UK) the 2700X dropped to that level. I did a build back in February for an AE user (X470 Taichi, 64GB/3200, 2x 780 Ti, 1TB NVMe, etc.) for which the 2700X was just 152 UKP, that's about 200. Sadly it's gone back up since then (currently 180 UKP) but the 3600 is the same 152 UKP and is probably the better buy for gaming. Without any oc the 2700X build scored 4059 for CB R20 and I was very impressed with the low heat and noise characteristics, the system ran virtually silent (Corsair H110 cooler).
12:00 - Any idea why the ACO lows for the 9900K are so much lower here? Compared to the 10900K and others I mean? What could cause that?
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3:15 - You mention the 2700 being 200, but where I am (UK) the 2700X dropped to that level. I did a build back in February for an AE user (X470 Taichi, 64GB/3200, 2x 780 Ti, 1TB NVMe, etc.) for which the 2700X was just 152 UKP, that's about 200. Sadly it's gone back up since then (currently 180 UKP) but the 3600 is the same 152 UKP and is probably the better buy for gaming. Without any oc the 2700X build scored 4059 for CB R20 and I was very impressed with the low heat and noise characteristics, the system ran virtually silent (Corsair H110 cooler).
12:00 - Any idea why the ACO lows for the 9900K are so much lower here? Compared to the 10900K and others I mean? What could cause that?
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Weskerend
I bought mine last year, I knew Zen 2 was coming but prices are really bad around here, and also my i3-6100 was getting in the way of my gaming.
It's not great to see how much better the 3600 is in gaming, but as I'm still using a 1060 6GB on a 1080p monitor, there would be no reason at all to feel sad. I chose the 2700x because of the better stock cooler, it would be more expensive to buy the regular plus a third party air cooler.
One thing I would change though is my motherboard, should've picked a cheaper one instead of this x470, it cost almost as much as the 2700x.
Thanks for another great video.
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I bought mine last year, I knew Zen 2 was coming but prices are really bad around here, and also my i3-6100 was getting in the way of my gaming.
It's not great to see how much better the 3600 is in gaming, but as I'm still using a 1060 6GB on a 1080p monitor, there would be no reason at all to feel sad. I chose the 2700x because of the better stock cooler, it would be more expensive to buy the regular plus a third party air cooler.
One thing I would change though is my motherboard, should've picked a cheaper one instead of this x470, it cost almost as much as the 2700x.
Thanks for another great video.
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hollyhgamer88
when it was first released i decided between the 2600x or the 2700x I decided to go with the 2600x and just wait a few years till 8 cores were going to be actually good for gaming. which funnily enough will be happening after next gen consoles release. more games to support more cores and threads usage, not a bad decision I took. will upgrade to a 4600x if it will be 8 cores 16 threads tho or just the 4700x if there is no core changes but I highly doubt it. i doubt amd wouldn't up the core count on their parts. as long as both these cpus will be able to hit 5ghz ill be a happy camper
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when it was first released i decided between the 2600x or the 2700x I decided to go with the 2600x and just wait a few years till 8 cores were going to be actually good for gaming. which funnily enough will be happening after next gen consoles release. more games to support more cores and threads usage, not a bad decision I took. will upgrade to a 4600x if it will be 8 cores 16 threads tho or just the 4700x if there is no core changes but I highly doubt it. i doubt amd wouldn't up the core count on their parts. as long as both these cpus will be able to hit 5ghz ill be a happy camper
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OcihEvE
This was the same AMD trend that landed me an 1800X. They went down to 180 for a few months around the time of the 2700 launch.
1800X and 2700 chips in the hands of people budgeting 200 for a CPU amounts to a very powerful 1080 gaming machine. Mine is paired with an RX590 and the GPU will as you would expect, be replaced before the CPU. Unless AMD throw 3800X at us for 200 in 6 months. Then, who knows? I'd speculate that part of the AMD business model is to coax is in to buying CPU'S every 2 or 3 years to make up for the lower prices when compared to Intel.
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This was the same AMD trend that landed me an 1800X. They went down to 180 for a few months around the time of the 2700 launch.
1800X and 2700 chips in the hands of people budgeting 200 for a CPU amounts to a very powerful 1080 gaming machine. Mine is paired with an RX590 and the GPU will as you would expect, be replaced before the CPU. Unless AMD throw 3800X at us for 200 in 6 months. Then, who knows? I'd speculate that part of the AMD business model is to coax is in to buying CPU'S every 2 or 3 years to make up for the lower prices when compared to Intel.
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sj33
I grabbed a 2700 at the tail end of last year when Ryzen 2000 series was being sold off and still somewhat available. I intended to go for the 2600 but the 2700 was trivially more while being significantly cheaper than the 3600. I initially wondered if I should have gone with the slightly higher clocked 2600, but this runs at 4GHz with a very cheap cooling solution. For the 17,000 yen or so I paid, I felt I got as really good deal. Today, I might look at the 3600 or even 3300X instead but that's just how the computer hardware market moves.
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I grabbed a 2700 at the tail end of last year when Ryzen 2000 series was being sold off and still somewhat available. I intended to go for the 2600 but the 2700 was trivially more while being significantly cheaper than the 3600. I initially wondered if I should have gone with the slightly higher clocked 2600, but this runs at 4GHz with a very cheap cooling solution. For the 17,000 yen or so I paid, I felt I got as really good deal. Today, I might look at the 3600 or even 3300X instead but that's just how the computer hardware market moves.
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Azuma
I bought the 2700 in December when was 158 ...the 3600 at that time was 210 ...sooo I bought it because even if I don't use it for applications workloads I was thinking that in the future will have a good price for reselling it to someone who's looking to do that kind of work with it... I'm looking forward to the Cyberpunk 2077 tests to see with what CPU I should change it...
I don't understand what is with this prices for Intel CPU's in my country...like over 440 for 8700K...
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I bought the 2700 in December when was 158 ...the 3600 at that time was 210 ...sooo I bought it because even if I don't use it for applications workloads I was thinking that in the future will have a good price for reselling it to someone who's looking to do that kind of work with it... I'm looking forward to the Cyberpunk 2077 tests to see with what CPU I should change it...
I don't understand what is with this prices for Intel CPU's in my country...like over 440 for 8700K...
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Conn
I got a 2700x for 120 on Black Friday. I wasn't looking to upgrade but at that price I couldn't resist. At the moment I'm thinking of a sidegrade to a 3600, because I can resell my 2700x for around the cost of the 3600. I don't need a Ryzen 7 for my use case and I want Horizon Zero Dawn, which is currently bundled with Ryzen 3000. It would also mean I can consider B550 as an upgrade, which I can't with a 2700x. Sometimes it isn't simply about an actual upgrade.
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I got a 2700x for 120 on Black Friday. I wasn't looking to upgrade but at that price I couldn't resist. At the moment I'm thinking of a sidegrade to a 3600, because I can resell my 2700x for around the cost of the 3600. I don't need a Ryzen 7 for my use case and I want Horizon Zero Dawn, which is currently bundled with Ryzen 3000. It would also mean I can consider B550 as an upgrade, which I can't with a 2700x. Sometimes it isn't simply about an actual upgrade.
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tarfeef
I almost feel guilty watching these videos talking about reasonable upgrade cycles, waiting a few generations, etc.
I budget for at least 1 new PC a year, and generally just trickle my purchases down from a new setup for my main gaming rig or lan rig, and trickle down to my server, Nas, router, testbench... I just collect parts. It's a great workaround to waiting for upgrades, assuming, of course, you have that many use cases to justify
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I almost feel guilty watching these videos talking about reasonable upgrade cycles, waiting a few generations, etc.
I budget for at least 1 new PC a year, and generally just trickle my purchases down from a new setup for my main gaming rig or lan rig, and trickle down to my server, Nas, router, testbench... I just collect parts. It's a great workaround to waiting for upgrades, assuming, of course, you have that many use cases to justify
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