Actors Who Straight Up Quit Because Of Their Co-Star
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Some characters have a nice flex and can truly be cast in a diverse and explorative way. However, there are other characters where the writer really meant for that character to be one race or another due to cultural background or even appearance significance. If in doubt ask the author and accept the response.
Viewers or readers dont always understand the writers intention one way or the other. Not all characters in books comics or fictions have to be portrayed as the race they originally are because it wasnt the writers intent to say this character can only be white or black or Asian and can only be that thing. Other times they do want the character portrayed as race and gender they wrote them because it has significance. This goes for main characters and smaller roles or characters.
It is up to the writer and the screen adaptation people to work out which is which. So I think intent is implied in the final product. If the role is flex then it is flexable/ iconic in a universal way like Cinderella and if it is not then it is not like that marine guy. Seemed pretty clear the intent was for that role and character was mean to be true to form: a Asian American marine.
Writers do understand that readers and viewers resonate with big and small characters and become invested and attached to them, but they also need to stay true to themselves and their intention. If race or gender doesnt matter for a character according to the writer then it it doesnt matter. If it does matter hen it does.
Date: 2020-07-14
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Michael
I gotta say, I love Ewan Mcgregor. I would honestly pay to see him do the exact same role - even if it was the same lines, I'm sure he'd do a great job.
But I find Christian Bale's ambition to be in this role so in accordance with the character that it was meant to be. I won't lie - Christian Bale as a person creeps me out, he's out there in terms of seeing where this acting thing can go. There's a perfect marriage here for the character. I often wonder if Christian Bale really knew how perfect he was, as if possibly he didn't get the joke. It was supposed to be a parody, but he takes it so method it becomes some new dark form of parody, almost cthulhu level dark parody. He's a ghoul in that movie and it's bloody perfect. Gyllenhaul in Nightcrawler is probably the only person who's hit this level, and I feel it was almost homage to Bale's performance in a way (not to discredit his individual achievements and rigor, he did a lot of work for that role.
Man, they should get Ewan to do some sampling for the work, even just 1 scene of Ewan's version would be awesome. He's a little less wiry these days, but I bet he could've put a kind of serial killer charm on it, so much so the camouflage aspect of Bateman's character would've been portrayed in another way.
Man. They really knew what they were doing on this set, anytime you turn down Ewan Mcgregor you gotta wonder if you're making the right choice.
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I gotta say, I love Ewan Mcgregor. I would honestly pay to see him do the exact same role - even if it was the same lines, I'm sure he'd do a great job.
But I find Christian Bale's ambition to be in this role so in accordance with the character that it was meant to be. I won't lie - Christian Bale as a person creeps me out, he's out there in terms of seeing where this acting thing can go. There's a perfect marriage here for the character. I often wonder if Christian Bale really knew how perfect he was, as if possibly he didn't get the joke. It was supposed to be a parody, but he takes it so method it becomes some new dark form of parody, almost cthulhu level dark parody. He's a ghoul in that movie and it's bloody perfect. Gyllenhaul in Nightcrawler is probably the only person who's hit this level, and I feel it was almost homage to Bale's performance in a way (not to discredit his individual achievements and rigor, he did a lot of work for that role.
Man, they should get Ewan to do some sampling for the work, even just 1 scene of Ewan's version would be awesome. He's a little less wiry these days, but I bet he could've put a kind of serial killer charm on it, so much so the camouflage aspect of Bateman's character would've been portrayed in another way.
Man. They really knew what they were doing on this set, anytime you turn down Ewan Mcgregor you gotta wonder if you're making the right choice.
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Ronin
I have to admit, I was a bit surprised by Lucy Liu's actions on this list. The fact that she started throwing punches at a co-star just because he commented on her acting ability is a bit of a step too far. I can understand taking pride in your life's work, but not enough to physically assault someone, or even attempt it. I don't dislike Lucy Liu as an actor, but I haven't seen a movie she starred in where I felt she performed so stunningly that I would mark her for all time as one of the greats. Bill Murray may not be the most diverse or method-style actors out there, but he makes up for it with his on-screen charisma and sense of humor.
Even if we set aside whatever comment Bill Murray made, Lucy still acted in an unprofessional manner that went beyond what is tolerable, and when it comes to working with colleagues, or in general for that matter, physical violence shouldn't be a person's go-to response to a verbal insult or comment that can be shrugged off by having thick enough skin. All that being said, I'm glad that Lucy Liu has still been able to have a successful career and that her flaw in her judgement didn't break the rest of her chances at other roles. While I think it was a poor choice on her part and I don't hold her in quite as high regard as I did, I can also allow for the reality that none of us are perfect and sometimes we misstep.
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I have to admit, I was a bit surprised by Lucy Liu's actions on this list. The fact that she started throwing punches at a co-star just because he commented on her acting ability is a bit of a step too far. I can understand taking pride in your life's work, but not enough to physically assault someone, or even attempt it. I don't dislike Lucy Liu as an actor, but I haven't seen a movie she starred in where I felt she performed so stunningly that I would mark her for all time as one of the greats. Bill Murray may not be the most diverse or method-style actors out there, but he makes up for it with his on-screen charisma and sense of humor.
Even if we set aside whatever comment Bill Murray made, Lucy still acted in an unprofessional manner that went beyond what is tolerable, and when it comes to working with colleagues, or in general for that matter, physical violence shouldn't be a person's go-to response to a verbal insult or comment that can be shrugged off by having thick enough skin. All that being said, I'm glad that Lucy Liu has still been able to have a successful career and that her flaw in her judgement didn't break the rest of her chances at other roles. While I think it was a poor choice on her part and I don't hold her in quite as high regard as I did, I can also allow for the reality that none of us are perfect and sometimes we misstep.
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fanjoy
Christian Bale is only famous for getting really skinny, really fat or really ripped. I get that Bateman was supposed to be this disturbing, nightmarish character you took with you for a few days to a week after watching the film, but has anybody asked why Bale was so perfect for the role and whether or not that is actually a good thing? The guys like a tantrum away from being put in time-out. Im not saying Ewan McGregor has a lot of depth, though Ive liked a couple films hes been in, but Bale ruined Batman. I feel like Toby McGuire in that scene from Seabiscuit where hes yelling He fouled me, Tom. What was I supposed to do, let him get away with that! He FOULED me! And allll these people are like I kinda liked The Dark Knight. well, yeah, cause Heath Ledger was amazing, but I digest. Reign of Fire sucked.
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Christian Bale is only famous for getting really skinny, really fat or really ripped. I get that Bateman was supposed to be this disturbing, nightmarish character you took with you for a few days to a week after watching the film, but has anybody asked why Bale was so perfect for the role and whether or not that is actually a good thing? The guys like a tantrum away from being put in time-out. Im not saying Ewan McGregor has a lot of depth, though Ive liked a couple films hes been in, but Bale ruined Batman. I feel like Toby McGuire in that scene from Seabiscuit where hes yelling He fouled me, Tom. What was I supposed to do, let him get away with that! He FOULED me! And allll these people are like I kinda liked The Dark Knight. well, yeah, cause Heath Ledger was amazing, but I digest. Reign of Fire sucked.
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MitchF150
I see actors as being ones you want to watch and actually want to meet and other's you could care less about because of their attitude in their real life. Meaning, there are a lot of current actors these days that think their shit does not stink and they demand this and that and look down on other actors and this and that. UGH. Get over it. You will make more in an hour than I will probably make in a year, so get over it. Such DRAMA QUEENS is how I see it. Remember, it's us common folk that determine how popular you eventually get. Grow up actors. ha, ha!
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I see actors as being ones you want to watch and actually want to meet and other's you could care less about because of their attitude in their real life. Meaning, there are a lot of current actors these days that think their shit does not stink and they demand this and that and look down on other actors and this and that. UGH. Get over it. You will make more in an hour than I will probably make in a year, so get over it. Such DRAMA QUEENS is how I see it. Remember, it's us common folk that determine how popular you eventually get. Grow up actors. ha, ha!
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Cear
. blaming Parker and the other co-stars for mistreating Catrall from the beginning of the series, isolating her early on because they were intimidated and jealous of arguably the show's only genuine movie star. Is this a joke? Uhhhh, there's a reason why the show is focused on and keeps advertising SJP as the central star of the show! And it's interesting how most people who worked on the series like Jason Lewis and Michael Patrick King have publicly sided with SJP. I feel Kim Catrall made herself the victim she wanted to be.
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. blaming Parker and the other co-stars for mistreating Catrall from the beginning of the series, isolating her early on because they were intimidated and jealous of arguably the show's only genuine movie star. Is this a joke? Uhhhh, there's a reason why the show is focused on and keeps advertising SJP as the central star of the show! And it's interesting how most people who worked on the series like Jason Lewis and Michael Patrick King have publicly sided with SJP. I feel Kim Catrall made herself the victim she wanted to be.
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Corrible
I'd have loved to see both Mcgregors and DiCaprios versions of Psycho, but Bale was the perfect choice for that role. Neither McGregor nor DiCaprio could be as intimidatingly ripped as Bale, emphasising the drive of a true psychopath, and, I think Bale has a much better, intuitive understanding of what a psychotic murderers mind is like. Leo would have given a similar performance as he did in Wolf of Wallstreet which, while brilliant and intense, is about as intimidating as a cream egg.
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I'd have loved to see both Mcgregors and DiCaprios versions of Psycho, but Bale was the perfect choice for that role. Neither McGregor nor DiCaprio could be as intimidatingly ripped as Bale, emphasising the drive of a true psychopath, and, I think Bale has a much better, intuitive understanding of what a psychotic murderers mind is like. Leo would have given a similar performance as he did in Wolf of Wallstreet which, while brilliant and intense, is about as intimidating as a cream egg.
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aaronsande
The Bill Murray one is really sad, he's usually a really nice guy, total sweetheart. In high school, my orchestra was playing outside in Lincoln Park, and in between pieces I noticed a familiar guy standing behind us and enjoying it. Many of us recognized it was Bill Murray, but I didn't approach as others did because he clearly wanted to be left alone. But he grinned and bore it and signed autographs. This would have been in 1992 or so.
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The Bill Murray one is really sad, he's usually a really nice guy, total sweetheart. In high school, my orchestra was playing outside in Lincoln Park, and in between pieces I noticed a familiar guy standing behind us and enjoying it. Many of us recognized it was Bill Murray, but I didn't approach as others did because he clearly wanted to be left alone. But he grinned and bore it and signed autographs. This would have been in 1992 or so.
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Kate
The director of American Psycho has said on record that she went to bat for Christian Bale as Bateman. Even quit the project until the PTB relented. Let's not forget that two years earlier that EM and CB not only co-starred in the marvelous Velvet Goldmine, but had a love scene. EM recently tweeted about his and CB's Velvet characters future. I don't think George Lucas would have casted EM if he had done AP!
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The director of American Psycho has said on record that she went to bat for Christian Bale as Bateman. Even quit the project until the PTB relented. Let's not forget that two years earlier that EM and CB not only co-starred in the marvelous Velvet Goldmine, but had a love scene. EM recently tweeted about his and CB's Velvet characters future. I don't think George Lucas would have casted EM if he had done AP!
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Victoria
O. k Little Comment: Bale and McGreggor have a proffecional past, They were both in a indie movie about Glam Rock Back in the Mid 90s. They actually remained good friends afterwards. He couldve just called a FRIEND and asked him to pass this one. Ewan was already a big star, not uncommon for a friend to help another in his career. Not everyone are Assholes in Hollywood, Ffriendship can happen.
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O. k Little Comment: Bale and McGreggor have a proffecional past, They were both in a indie movie about Glam Rock Back in the Mid 90s. They actually remained good friends afterwards. He couldve just called a FRIEND and asked him to pass this one. Ewan was already a big star, not uncommon for a friend to help another in his career. Not everyone are Assholes in Hollywood, Ffriendship can happen.
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